Why the American War on Terror is Failing Miserably

#121 Posted by hamidm2,

....... who could be more civil than salman taseer?

Yes I noticed. If kanjars were rated on a scale of 1-10, he would get about 9.5.

.... who is the egyptian army chief of staff?

president musharraf zindabad!

......... i am withdrawing my support for democracy, rule of law, restoration of the constitution, the droopy eyed chief justice in his compound, benazir bhutto in bilawal house, nawaz sharif in his harem, imran khan in the big house ........ i never supported anyone with a beard (or shaven private parts), so my position on fazloo and the mardoodiites remains unchanged ........

......... why?....... because i am a realist ..... general musharraf is going to become mr musharraf on saturday and the guardian of the grand temple has ensured him that nawaz sharif will remain his guest ........ bb, fazloo, altaph bai and everyone else who matters have agreed to take part in the elections ..... imran khan will be the only one left, and he too will be made a senator or chief dog catcher of mianwali at some point ....... so let's all drop this nonsense and welcome the new phase in pakistani politics - the egyptian era .......


sheik rashid zindabad!
president musharraf zindabad!

p.s. has anyone noticed that the most 'civil' of civil society are part of the interim government ........ who could be more civil than salman taseer?

#118 DashDot:

1. Why is climbing "up the social scale" so important? This rotten VIP culture of Pakistan has no place in modern society!! Isnt it more imporatant to make Pakistan a free and progressive society for ALL Pakistanis? Not just those who are in the military?

2. Wrong again. Those who join the military are those who were educationally not qualified to get into professional colleges. "Sifarish" does not get you admission into professional colleges or in world-class firms. The rot is in the military, not in the civil society.

3. This claim that the army has the national interest in mind is the biggest fraud perpetrated by Musharraf and his ghoondas on Pakistan. These rascals are in it for their personal wealth and glory. It is people like the Chief Justice who have risen above their personal selves to fight for the rule of law in Pakistan who have proved they have the broader interests of the nation in mind.

Zyxius: Agreed that we could have a smaller military given the nukes - the real goal though is to end military interference in politics. And a smaller military, while part of the solution, is not going to guarantee that by any means.

As for this ending dependence on the US - keep in mind that the world is an increasingly interdependent world. The more progressive a nation, the more (not less) interdependent it is on the rest of the world.

So, again you need to focus on the real goal - which is to give power to the people in Pakistan. Not shut the rest of the world out of Pakistan, and reset the clock to 12 noon, 700 AD in Pakistan.

no I am not giving the army a god-like role.....

as things stand right now, let me state it clearly

the army is the ONLY INSTITUTION which

(a) provides a professional atmosphere for ANYONE to climb up the social scale

(b) provides an employment opportunty for the people - who want to get away from the sifarish and mai-baap fuedal set up that CIVIC Society is in Pakistan - and makes it gainful

(c) the only OBJECTIVE institution in paksiatn which looks beyond its immediate survival - it is very much different from the politicians so far and the judges so far. It is only today that you find yourself rooting for these toads. But where were these toads when civilian administartions were removed, when Shareef-e-badmash invaded the SC.

Come on Tahmed32 you can do better than that....as I said you seem to be getting unhealthyly attached to the means rather than the goal. ;-()

DashDot: In #111 you say the "the army is the only saviour of pakistan" and in #113 you say "the army being so large is atleast providing half a million people with jobs".

You give the army this God-like role of saving Pakistan and providing jobs to half a million individuals who you imply are not employable in any real job. This is absurd. I think you can do better than that.

Zyxius,

(Besides, we Muslims (and I'm not talking Jihadis) have enough pull inside India to destabilize that country entirely and bring it to its knees)

Are you Field Marshall Romair by another nick.

Regards

Tahmed32 you are getting paranoid in your old dotage.....
;-()

I would recommend a few movies and watch dvds beyonce, shakira, etc for a few days....and yes take that vacation to Brazil - was it in Rio that your friend has that great flat overlooking the copacabana (T)

Dash,

(I say the army is the only saviour of pakistan.)

Considering their karnamas- 1971, W'stan and Swat, I would hardly describe them as such.

(wait for the generation of Manto to come through )

You have a point here. Pakistan's economy is growing and so is its middle class. At one point of time, its society would have evolved to a point where the middle class will be too strong to be overruled. Politically, it will experience what South Korea, Phillipines and other East Asian countries have gone through.

Regards

Re: # 110
but you are forgetting one thing here.....what will you do to the trained young personnel?

I mean currently pakistan does not have a relief valve nor does it provide opportunty for the lower calsses to climb up the greasy social ladder. The Army is the only venue by which they can do it without sifarish and hassle.

Also the army being so large is atleast providing half a million people with jobs. half million who would otherwise be on the streets creating more mayhem ....think about it....

Personally I dont think that it makes sense to be so paranoid about an Indian invasion. In this day and age, the idea of an invasion can only be entertained by the sole superpower who too has suffered as a result of these kinds of misadventures. So, I feel that there is absolutely no need to defend ourselves against India beyond our nuclear capabilities.

With so much of our budget going to the army, there is no way that we can advance ourselves so we should realize that the Indian threat is more of a locally concocted bogeyman than a reality. Besides, we Muslims (and I'm not talking Jihadis) have enough pull inside India to destabilize that country entirely and bring it to its knees so I doubt very much that India would ever attempt such a foolish thing regardless of Pakistan's difficulties. However, I think its best to leave that kind of adversarial thinking behind and focus on our real problems which are a true economic and political independence from the US and the western powers. We are not yet totally free and its not the Indians we need to worry about, its the Americans and our own situation.

Re: # 105
That is not right....tell me Tahmed32 - even one person amongst the guys today who are in the same league as YLH.

Tell me one leader who has done something more positive for the country than they have done for themselves. (I am all for a pol doing good for themselves).

Tahmed32, you seem to be losing your objectivity here, by getting emotionally attached to the means rather than the goal. None of the present day leadership can deliver what you want....wait for the generation of Manto to come through - the younger generation from what I have seen (from my interaction with them) are more savvy, clued on, less of a navel gazers, and more of doers, and more confident of themselves and really know where they want to get to and are adept at getting the required tools to get there.

Till then, I say the army is the only saviour of pakistan. The rest will sell their souls for a few mansions in surrey and dubai!

#109 Majumdar: Agreed. With the nuclear deterrent, Pakistan can afford to have a smaller conventional army. That would be part of the answer to the question of eliminating future military interference in politics.

Tahmed sahib,

(it cant hope to do that after nuclearization)

Exactly all that Pak needs is to maintain a small nuke army. The regular Pak army can do only one thing- conquer Pakistan every now and then.

Regards

#107 majumdar: hey, i just report the news. :-) and the news is that the Indian military has initiated wargames across the border. This may not mean India will invade Pakistan (it cant hope to do that after nuclearization). But it also means Pakistan cannot afford to put its guard down with India like Costa Rica did.

Tahmed sahib,

(if there were no external threats to Pakistan. )

You seriously believe that Injuns are crazy enuff to invade Pakistan and undo 1947???

(India, as you may know, has initiated wargames across the border)

I believe "war games" are NORMAL training exercises for NORMAL armies. Unlike your army our guys dont train by storming the Supreme Court or scaling the gates of PM House!!!

Regards