Pakistan: Media Under Siege

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Welcome home Nawaz Sharif!

It took a while but a Government of National

Unity/Reconciliation is the need of the hour.

Good luck to all members of the Sharif family.

Time for Pakistanis to put the politics of

revenge behind them.

Ras

Lest the nawaz sharif fan club(or its lone member) forget..

Over 4,000 soldiers killed in Kargil: Sharif

By B. Muralidhar Reddy

ISLAMABAD Aug. 16 . The former Pakistan Prime Minister, Nawaz Sharif, claimed that more than 4,000 Pakistani troops and officials were killed in the Kargil conflict.

While Mr. Sharif accused the Pakistan military in general and the then Army Chief, Pervez Musharraf, of undertaking the Kargil operations without the knowledge of his government, it is for the first time he has come out with concrete figures of the casualty on the Pakistani side.

The Pakistan Government had consistently denied charges of its involvement in the Kargil War and claimed it to be an operation conducted entirely by the Mujahideen (holy warriors). Several months later it indirectly acknowledged its participation by decorating some of its soldiers who died in the conflict.

In recent times, Mr. Sharif has been harping on Kargil as an example of failure of the military leadership of Gen. Musharraf.

Mr. Sharif, in exile in Saudi Arabia under a pact with the Musharraf regime, in a first ever on record interview some weeks back had threatened to "reveal all" about the "Kargil misadventure".

In his message to a rally organised by the Alliance for Restoration of Democracy (ARD) at Lahore on Thursday to demand the resignation of Gen. Musharraf as Army Chief and President, Mr. Sharif said the Kargil plan was prepared by Gen. Musharraf without the knowledge of his government.

The conflict had resulted in derailing the process of normalising relations between the two countries. Had it not been done, he claimed the Kashmir dispute would have been resolved long ago. Pakistan was defeated in Kargil, but as the Pakistan Prime Minister he covered it up by undertaking a visit to the United States, he said.

Mr. Sharif visited Washington and gave an undertaking to the Clinton Administration to withdraw Pakistan forces.

He argued that had he accepted defeat then, it would have demoralised the army and India would have got an opportunity to invade Pakistan.

He alleged that the mastermind of the Kargil operation, instead of accepting responsibility and resigning voluntarily, overthrew the elected government under the diktat from some "other quarters".

Mr. Sharif said Gen. Musharraf was behind the protests "staged" on the arrival of Mr. Vajpayee in 1999. (The Jamaat-e-Islami had organised street protests against the February 1999 visit of Mr. Vajpayee to Lahore).

Mr. Vajpayee was not given the honour equal to that accorded to the delegation of parliamentarians and journalists, which visited Pakistan a few days ago.

#114 Posted by masadi on November 25, 2007 4:50:24 am


sell their souls for a few $$


I resemble that remark...except, I sold my non-existent soul for a lot of $$s.

As usual the muttarwa ignoramus is all over the place crawling around in ignorance. On one hand it claims " Saudis are best friends with the mighty only ie USA their protector and christianed father since its creation." (Does the muttarwa mean 'christened'? Probably it does but that's not the point), but then also says Saudi exported wahabi fanatics to fight USA.

But in any event, Jaati Umra's resident is back, and soon while muttarwa goons are battling BBs goons for control of karachi municipality and water supply board, motorways will be being built in Punjab.

Nice to see all these niceties.
First resolve your differences, find a direction for country and then talk something else.
Particularly on the ideological front.

Re: # 112

As usual the choppaya ignoramus conveniently forgets that its the Saudi exported wahabi fanatics that are responsible for this culture of intolerance, obscurantism and factory of suicide bombers. House of wahab is responsible for more death and destruction around the world than any other state or ideology. Yet, we have idiotic ideologues singing their praises.

anil #85 you wrote "This such a great moment for Pakistani parties to leave egos behind and ask Pakistani to vote for or against the Army rule."

This is certainly what it should be. It would make the issue clear - that is, this is not politics as usual (as Musharraf would like to play it, with himself lording over everyone as the President. Rather, it is a vote against Musharraf and a vote against military raj.

The parties could all agree on a collective "National Candidate" and seek to get the voters out in large numbers so that regardless of cheating at the polls, the verdict of the people is clear. Justice Wajihuddin would be a great choice I think.

The above is of course one option. The other option is to simply boycott the elections.

anil writes "You have already wasted it on the opium of the other kind. "

I am not wasting anything, I am trying to conserve humanity from destruction imposed on it by a barbarous elite, the one that you worship day and night only because immoral folk like you (with very little grey matter I might add) sell their souls for a few $$ as they busy themselves with the worship of the white man. Regarding my articles and your dimwitted comments on them, they are much beyond your "pay scale" to understand. If status were allocated on the basis of intellect, you'd be shining shoes of 90% of the chowk posters, and learn the spelling of my nick it is "masadi" not massaddi. Now go to hell....

Re: # 110

Massaddi Mian:

"....You on the other hand do not have any clue about anything,..."

Even this statement you can prove only on the basis of self-reference. Just grow up, Massaddi sahib, else I may have to say that you may lost the right to the fine grey matter that you have been bestowed. You have already wasted it on the opium of the other kind.

As usual the muttarwa ignoramus is unaware Saudia provided free oil to Pakistan for 5 years after US had slapped sanctions after the nuke tests.

Re: # 107

"Saudia carries a big stick with Pakistan when it wants. It has just applied it on musharraf in solidarity with their long time friend Nawaz Sharif, in continuation of their returning his single biggest favour to them - the nuke tests."

This statement has so many factual errors, religious bigotry and reeks of Punjabi chauvinism.

Saudis are best friends with the mighty only ie USA their protector and christianed father since its creation.

Since the Saud are wahab, they cannot do any wrong as implicit in this complimentary statement.

And, najaiz Sharif being the son of soil, blue blooded Kashmiri Punjabi thus deserves all credit.

anil writes "Your arguments were dead when you showed that you fooled yourself in believing that Godel's theorem allows you "self-reference". "

Fools like yourself think in this bs manner. The article on self reference, regarding systems of logic, concerning the Quran was based on Godel's work, and as stated in the article it was not my "belief" but the work of a university professor of mathematics Gary Miller. Regarding my ideas on the political scenario in Pakistan, it is based on first hand observations as well as history of this country based on the theoretical framework of the power elite established by C. W. Mills, the hypothesis of which are found to be true time and again. You on the other hand do not have any clue about anything, your standard of reference is worship of all things Western because the US allowed you to maintain a standard of living that the sewers of Bombay would not and so you are still after decades star struck.

#108 Posted by majumdar,

"And both have selfless intent."

Yes. I believe it is true. Though Musharraf is selfless because he believes Pakistan embodies his personna (otherwise he would have run off like Papa Doc long ago), while Imran is selfless because he has seen it all and is into self-actualization at any cost to his person.

"They both want the best for Pakistan"

Yes. In their own single-mided visions, both are reckless.

"President Musharraf in the category of people who can differentiate between right and wrong."

Again, in his own tunnel-vision. It is no different from Bush/Cheney's or Reagan.

"All Musharraf wanted to do was hold elections and retire from the army."

Totally false. This is musharraf's ghost-writer of 'In line of fire' talking, or perhaps his mentally challenged son who wrote 'He had no choice' on Chowk in October 1999.

"the intrinsically democratic Musharraf"

Same as above.

Regards.

Zee sahib,

Does Mr. Gauhar really believe in what he has written:

"And both have selfless intent."
"They both want the best for Pakistan"
"President Musharraf in the category of people who can differentiate between right and wrong."
"All Musharraf wanted to do was hold elections and retire from the army."
"the intrinsically democratic Musharraf"

Regards

...add-on #102...to hamidm2,

An interesting tidbit on the subject:

After Nawaz's incarceration and deportation in 2000, his Model Town residence was seized by Punjab Government and turned into a shelter for homeless women named 'Gosha-e-Aafiat'. Yesterday, all those homeless women were evicted and their bag and baggage loaded into municipality trucks and taken away, to vacate and to restore the residence to Nawaz family.

Saudia carries a big stick with Pakistan when it wants. It has just applied it on musharraf in solidarity with their long time friend Nawaz Sharif, in continuation of their returning his single biggest favour to them - the nuke tests.