Resist, resist, resist: ‘The gift of a crisis’

in #164, first line second para where it says "While no doubt other parties have allied at one time or another with mqm", it should instead read:
"While no doubt some of the other parties have allied at one time or another with the musharraf government".

krashid: Karachi is a Pakistani city, not the property of MQM. So, I am puzzled by your statement "let it run this part of Pakistan. Previous attempt at keeping it out failed. At least it keeps our Daal Roti running and keep the calm, where it is needed most." MQM is not the mafia that can "run this part of Pakistan". The whole world earns its "daal roti" through economic activity, not through the graces of some outfit like mqm: why do you need mqm to keep your "daal roti running"?

While no doubt other parties have allied at one time or another with mqm - mqm is unique in having come out with guns to attack peaceful demonstrators who had come out in support of the Chief Justice. MQM has not expressed any regrets for that, let alone handed over those responsible for the murders of these martyrs to the Pakistani freedom struggle. So, I beg to differ with your view that mqm is merely another political party. But that is just my humble opinion.

Given the right to express themselves, and given free and fair elections (including the right of other parties to campaign in Karachi without fear of ghoonda attacks from mqm), the people of Pakistan will no doubt prove in the ballot boxes that the only ones mqm and its followers are fooling are themselves.

#160 Posted by laddu,

Turn Pakistan into a secular state ... Roll back the impending Talibanisation. !!!

Laddu Bhai,

And inhabited by whom? Hindus? Budhists?

#159 Posted by krashid1961,

(And you remember what mess Nawaz Sharif created during his 2nd stint when Pakistan was nearing collapse)

krashid saheb, I suppose you're referring to the nuke tests. If it's anything else, kindly correct me.

Was there a choice over the nuke tests and the freezing of Foreign Ccy accounts?

Regards

#148 Posted by masadi on November 26, 2007 4:39:48 pm


To quote you..


in 148, read "theft (the petty corruption)"

as "I think people are stupid and so I can get away with BS"

Turn Pakistan into a secular state if it wants to survive in the future!!!

Roll back the impending Talibanisation. NS was the man responsible for the mullahs to come to power. Only by making Pakistani constitution secular and omitting references to "Islamic principles" there is a future for Pakistan to survive in the modern times.

154 TAhmed:
I may agree with you somewhat.
The problem is there is no connection between Pervez Musharraf Coup detat and MQM.
MQM was not even allowed to contest the first election held under Pervez Musharraf.
It was marriage of convenience later on.
MQM has been part of alliances even before 1999 coup of Musharraf. It has allied itself with people's party and Muslim league (N) at one time or another.
Although I want to see the same old Karachi of 60's and 70's, and things have so much changed that it is difficult to live there (although people are still living and population is expanding).
There are couple of positive points. One thing is all the leadership is from middle class and has support of middle class. 2nd thing is religious harmony. 3rd thing is economic activity. Definitely crime rate is high, but has been high even when Jamat-e-Islami was ruling under Mayor Nematullah, and nobody is happy with that.
What I personally think is since MQM has already abandoned its slogan of Mohajir. It has influence and vote bank (so called silent majority) let it run this part of Pakistan. Previous attempt at keeping it out failed. At least it keeps our Daal Roti running and keep the calm, where it is needed most.
Which is the party of Pervez Musharraf you know and we know. Musharraf has been supported by MMA, and other parties at one time or another also.
What you want at the provincial level is people taking care of their constituency.
What you want at the center level is people taking care of defence, foreign policy etc. (And you remember what mess Nawaz Sharif created during his 2nd stint when Pakistan was nearing collapse)
I don,t think in the current geopolitical and international level things were bad either.
I will blame it on Musharraf altogether for the mess he created for nothing during his last year in office.

Re: # 156

Cliftonbridge:

By the other side, I meant the solution side. The analysis is well put forward. The search for solution is ever more elusive, especially in Pakistan it seems to me.

Look all you bojos (as zang would say):
Democracy needs money for elections and for paying off potential rivals. When such a market does not exist, and when stoooopid bojos write a constitition, such TRADE is termed corroption. This has very well been explained by AHMEDMADANI before. But except for hamidm2 none of you idiots understand this. So, forger CORRUPTION to start with, use the matiriel between your two ears and get a bit realistic. I am bloody fed up... the only guy who understands me is Zee. So a big F@##k Y6U to all chowkies ...... ;;) peat ... malted without a blend!!!!

re #131

thanks anil. what did you mean the other side ?

#152 krashid: nice poetry. and sad. But perhaps this latest experience with dictatorship, and particularly the events of the past 2-3 years, will teach our politicians something they did not understand before: the importance of the rule of law. Without which, the man with the most guns will enslave the entire nation.

Then the musharraf habas may indeed be replaced not by a loo but by a mausam-e-bahar.

#153 krashid: This was a peaceful demonstration. No amount of ridiculing the chief justice as "droopy eyed", no amount of rationalizing, can justify the murderous attacks on peaceful demonstrators or justify the blatantly illegal and increasingly arrogant and oppressive rule of musharraf.

It is Musharraf's abuse of human rights of Pakistanis that is the most abominable of his deeds. Have you seen the movie "Missing in Pakistan"? If not, I suggest you google on video on these words "Missing in Pakistan" and see it. This was suppressed by Musharraf government in Pakistan, but has found its way to the internet.

It was such cases of "disappeared persons" that the CJ demanded should be accounted for by the musharraf government that led to his confrontation of the "droopy eyed" CJ.

btw: I lived in karachi before there was mqm and before you were born perhaps. So, rest assured I am well aware of the manner in which mqm and its smelly ethnic politics turned karachi from a cosmopolitan city into a cesspool of ethnic hatreds and violence.

TAhmed32
CJ was informed already on May 12 by Sind administration not to create law and order situation. (It is more laughable that it was the Chief Justice who was trying to create Law and order situation).
Although the people supported it. But it is the policy of MQM as far as I understand not to make Karachi a battleground for everyone, while rest of the country keeps a blind eye.
If you remember that in 1999 the economy was at its worst. And then it was decided that Karachi has bled a lot already, so to reinvigorate the economy of country, let it play its role which it has played since inception of Pakistan. And it was not only this corrupt, droopy eyed (I like hamidM) chief justice fiasco, but whether it was Shia Sunni problem or any other problem MQM has worked hard to keep the situation in control. Everyone is reaping the benefit of a better economy.
I don't know if you have lived in Karachi or not. If not you will have difficulty in understanding what I am saying.

#126
I don't know if we will be regretting five years down the road or more happy.
As Mao said to youth. This world is ours as well as yours, but in the last analysis it is yours.
Let the current generation take their destiny.
As Faraz said.
Is Qadr Habs He ke log Lu Ki Dua Mangte Hain.
"There is so much suffocation that people ask for even "LOO" (hot air).

The worst of all the corrupt systems was the zimmidari system where zimmis had to please the momeen rulers with gifts of their women out of fear!!

Re: # 149 Nasah
wah wah!
mukarrar ...