The Plan To Topple Pakistan Military

"Frederick W. Kagan and Michael O’Hanlon, representing deeply conservative and supposedly liberal think tanks respectively, also hinted at the possibility of neutralising Pakistan’s weapons. Their joint comment coincided with a report on which the NYT had sat for three years, at the Bush administration’s behest, to the effect that the US had been helping Pakistan since 2001 to keep its nuclear weapons secure.

There is a better way of dealing with this contingency. Nuclear weapons were always a bad idea for Pakistan. They are now evidently threatening its sovereignty. It could — and should — set an excellent example by doing away with them altogether."

The above is from mihir ali of dawn.

At last there are some sensible people in pakistan talking about the north korean option for pakistan.

As long as pakistan has the bomb, the americans will not let them live in peace. Pakis will alawys be made impotent.

For the first time ever, the indian airforce is participating in a red flag joint exercise with the nato and the US.

Quraishi saab, how about considering de-nuking of pakistan as good option, to set the country free.

There is a saying, a rabit, in this case a feral goat, cannot shit like an elephant, by trying to emulate india in making the bomb, pakis have done just that, and all of their innards are out there for the americal vultures to pick on.

Ama yaar Ahmed Quraishi, why would anyone go to all that trouble to make Mushy do his (or her) bidding when all they need to do is to call the man on the phone.

An all time low for CHOWK.

I have had to put up with reading political nonsense

here for the past couple of months.

Bahot Khoob Quraishi Sahib, too much hot air here for me.

Democracy is really the only way forward.

Please address that in your future articles.

Too many conspiracy theories do not make up for real

analysis. Such loose canon such....

We talk about democracy being the only way forward, in a country like Pakistan where literacy rate is extremely low, the masses are manipulated by either the land owners or the mullah's in the name of religion. What good is the democracy that allowed both Sharif and Bhutto to get away with murder, raping and pillaging of country's resources. If these two were such leaders concerned about the welfare of Pakistan they should have stayed in the country and fought the charges against them so their names can be cleared. Of course they chose to leave the country under self imposed exile or a deal and wait for the opportune moment to come back.
We don't need the army running the country but we also don't need the same two thugs that have already shown what they will do once they get power.
It is time for Pakistani's to either pick new and honest leaders or live with dictators.

YOUR article is highly readable . There are lot of true facts in it . But u miss a few points.pak army is not an angel . its officer corps do live like kings. Every officer gets scores of plots, house,flat . Millions of acres have been given to them . The detauls given in Ayesha'Siddiquas book are correct . Nobody would have noticed the book had it not contained truth . Secondly it is a blatant lie on your part that the investment in nuclear programme is funded by militarys alternative financial sources(military's commercial businesses) and thats why they are being targeted for defamation . the fact is that nuclear programme is entirely funded by taxpayers . The fact is that pak army and its supporters like you can hardly complain of american plans . Ha not pak army always called for american intervention to solve kashmir problem? It has recieved 10 billion dollars in aid from america . It has decided to again buy F16s from america even after previous bad experience . Pak army became American ally by choice and now it must pay the price for it . If today Americans want to cap our nuclear program,are they not justified?We know Qadir Khan sold technology everywhere with full knowlege of generals . yet you make it seem that pak army is totally innocent party that is being unjustably targeted . the nuclear program was set up by civilian pm ZAB and we know what the army did to him . As far as baluchistan is concerned Baluchis have a just grievance also . Pak army has allotted thoysands of acres across the baluch coastline to build housing colonies . All this would turn baluchis into redindians. Bugti became a rebel only and only after the military made plans to set up 3 cantonements in his area . Why?Just to steal gas.

So while as pakistani i am against american plans to cap our nuclear capability , i will not support mush or the officer corps . They deserve punishment for enriching themselves while losing every war to india .

Lets not redicule.He has put forth a view that has some substance.

#@22,

I fully agree, those pakistanis denigrating the author are the ones who do not want to accept the reality that most pakistanis beleive that they can do nothing, they are an impotent lot.

The man has told the truth according to the pakistanis. Let us give him credit.

In this country, there has always been a consensus that the United States will take direct military action if it has “actionable intelligence” suggesting that Al Qaeda leaders are hiding at a particular place anywhere in the world, including Pakistan.

President Bush’s first statement on this issue was discussed in both houses of the US Congress and both Republican and Democratic lawmakers agreed that nothing should prevent the United States from taking direct military action, not even Pakistan’s angry reaction.

Among Pakistani politicians, former prime minister Benazir Bhutto is aware of America’s position on this issue and that’s why she has indicated that if elected, she may allow direct US military actions against Al Qaeda targets.

The above is from dawn of today. The daughter of the east is the need of the hour, and it reinforces the authors view.

Any supporters for North korean option for pakistan.

The meaning of democracy.

from dawn of today


What a contrast!


THIS is with reference to a minor news report carried by the national and international press regarding frisking of Indian army, navy and air force chiefs at airports.

The report goes on to state that India’s civil aviation ministry has refused to exempt the chiefs of Indian armed forces from being frisked at airports on grounds that it would lead to similar demands from other authorities.

After reading this report, I am beginning to understand why India is a democracy, and why we have strayed from that path. While Indian armed forces’ chiefs are frisked at airports, we are only reminded of the ugly incident wherein the son of our infamous ex-law minister beat a fellow passenger black and blue when the latter demanded that the former be subjected to security checks like all other passengers.

What a load of crap!!!

First I get the same thing in my mail box to which I send a befitting reply. Now the same thing gets it place on first page of Chowk.

Sometimes I wonder why it takes a ages for good stuff to come on Chowk whereas every piece of crap makes it to Chowk daily. This one is no exception

Dear Chowk Staff,

Delightfully abysmal post such as these deserve nothing but our sincere gratitude for exposing the workings of Pakistani propagandists.

Afghanistan, under America’s watch, has turned into a vast staging ground for sophisticated psychological and military operations to destabilize neighboring Pakistan.

Now if only this statement were true, it would gladden our hearts. For years, Pakistan has treated Afghanistan as its backyard, indulging in all kinds of dirty tricks to the point that it almost turned the country into a failed state - the Taliban staffed with Paki Army regulars and Paki pilots flying their airforce planes and what not? And now we have Pakis accusing Afghanistan of doing the same. Karma is catching up with Pakistan I think.

A lot of ridicule - some grudging acceptance - a little civility and commendation, spiced with a wee bit of doubting on Pak Army's "hidden workings"!
Seriously, haven't you chaps heard of the 'jewish conspiracy/protocols of the elders of zion' [Moscow, 1895], Why were the 2000 years of wandering suddenly turned into a neat enclave for the "12 lost tribes" and that chap Balfour planted? Why did the 'pograms' of Hitler happen?; how did the world take notice of that ridiculous Huntington's 'clash of civilisations'; or 'the end of history'; who encouraged the Armed Forces Journal to bring up 'blood borders' right in the middle of the desperation of bloodied Iraq?? - a follow-up to the set-up job with the Russians for creating 'the BLA'? And the Indians conveniently be-friending the Northern Alliance, and becoming their godfathers, with really cozy arrangements on the Afghan-Pakistan borders?? - and, finally, the 'neo-con agenda'??
Why is it that nobody - but nobody - talks of the many 'jewish, ready-to-defrag' bombs & nukes? But, omigosh!, so much cussedness and frothing on the 'islamic bomb'??!!
Those of you who sound-off about the "b-s" and "crap" and "nonsense' and whatnot, do give your little grey cells a bit of fresh-air, and 'thiMk'!!
Relax - this whole space is a non-sequiter: but do pray to The Almighty that Created you!!

In fact the author accurately points out numerous forces working simultaneously in Pakistan, but the correlations he draws between them are wishful thinking at best, and simplistic fantasy at the worst.

#28 Posted by harish_hyd

For years, Pakistan has treated Afghanistan as its backyard .. now we have Pakis accusing Afghanistan of doing the same.

This is true. Pakistan is now indeed Afghanistan's backyard.

Note the following excerpt from the latest Osama Bin Laden audio:

"They will go back to their homelands beyond the Atlantic, and they will leave the neighbors to finish off their interests among themselves,"

Re: # 28
yes pratitya samutpada is the reality