The Sudanese Teddy Bear Saga

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Mithu Mian,
Yes, I agree with you that I think I should learn more. :)
My belief in the Holy Prophet(PBUH) and affection for him are by now very well-established and any "new" revelations by authors such as Rushdie, Dante, and Washington Irving will not sway them.

My faith is further reinforced by the yeoman attempts of mortals trying to gain recognition by defiling his name. He must have been some sort of success to cause all this envy.

#114 Anil Bhai,
Sorry, I have been incarcerated for a few days and could not post my response to you.

You are giving the Holy Prophet (PBUH) too much credit for his successes. That is exactly the beautiful thing about his life - he was a moderate person in almost every way - father, grandfather, husband, and nephew. He was illiterate, not wealthy, and was neither tall nor short - not at all an imposing figure physically, materially, or even spiritually. He lacked confidence, was very critical of himself, and did not project himself as someone who was sure of himself, firm about where he was headed, and what was the right course of action.

The key differentiators in his life were his extreme honesty and the trances that resulted in transmissions from the Supreme Being.

So the more we understand Mohammed's (PBUH) frailty, his doubts, and his self-effacing honesty, the greater our appreciation for the miracle he achieved - establishment of a truly universal faith united by by One Mankind's belief in the One God.

#116, kulharee they don't have hidden microphones in Pakistan to see if an Ahmedi says Salaam either. The laws you are talking about in Pakistan are as irrelevant in this day and age as the ones in Alabama and Rhode Island (to name another state)I'm sure you could dredge up some case of an Ahmedi being persecuted via these laws to which I would bring up 1000 cases in rebuttal. I can also tell you at least one case in Rhode Island where a man was arrested for certain peccadiloes he was indulging in. "retarded laws" exist in every country, no country has a monopoly on them.

#117 Shah Ji, in that case, I apologize. I knew you were upto something, but I couldn’t really take it in. Yep, me bad. But it was a good idea and an excuse for me to name my kinds as Johny and Bill. Oh well.

Re: # 116

You say:

"And now Tamashah Sahib (post # 77) is suggesting they shouldn’t use Mohammad as a name either."

I never suggested that. It is your misconception. I pleaded Ahmadies' case so much that some people have started calling me a Qadiani. Actually it was only a satire you ass.

Re #115 Sherbaz, they don’t have cameras mounted in bedrooms to enforce such laws in Alabama. These are old antiquated laws worth no more than a laugh. You want to learn about real retarded laws, read up on Pakistani laws, where, e.g., Ahmadis cannot use Asalama Lakum as a greetings, they can’t call their worship places as Masjid. And now Tamashah Sahib (post # 77) is suggesting they shouldn’t use Mohammad as a name either. We have now been downgraded to below Teddy Bears. You my friend are a product of Zia’s doings, with your head firmly placed inside Wahabi behind and a refusal to see the daylight.

Majumdar Bhai,

you can anally intrude upon anyone you wish, just make sure you don't do it in Alabama or you're going to the slammer. Once there, don't drop the soap. On second thought, since you've displayed a preference for back yard shenanigans, go ahead and drop it.

Re: # 111

Salim Sahib:

Do you think Mohammad could have market and sold his message in any other way?

He was a great general, strategician, tactician (few battles he chose to fight and win, marriages and alliances he built), thinker (Quran), marketer (Allah and Messenger - great marketing idea for the time, Steve Jobs pales) and salesman (over billion customers - followers served followers), many ardent ready to give their lives for this package 1400 years later).

In my ranking of men of all times he is among the top.

I do not know of many men / women who can beat this, even if we leave the God and Messenger out and treat him in human terms.

Salim:

Initially it was you who asked me to learn more. But now you are claiming that from what you know "Holy prophet" is a good guy. Do you think you should maybe learn more?. I did not quote any verse either in or out of context so far.

Again teddy bears deserve better than to be named after this violent megalomaniac.

#111 *errand boy

#110 masanamuthu {"??. Quran contains a lot of violent stuff to justify the title of the "violent megalomaniac" to your prophet."}

Mithu Mian,
You are now trying to categorize people in neat little pigeon holes so that you can get them on the defensive by quoting one verse or another out of context.

From what I have learned, the Holy Koran doesn't exalt the Holy Prophet (PBUH) in any regard other than that of a messenger, an divine errand, a peon of God - something he performed at great risk and loss of material wealth and stature for himself, his family, and his followers.

Mithu Mian,
YES! Emphatically yes. The Holy Prophet (PBUH) never approved the Islamic laws (Shariah) that were codified approximately 150-200 years after he passsed away.


Does that mean you are a Quran only Muslim??. Quran contains a lot of violent stuff to justify the title of the "violent megalomaniac" to your prophet. Teddy bears deserve better than that.

Re:108, Shah Ji, I am hopeful that you will honor my daughter as you honor your own, now go and be a good old joker that you come accross as.

Re: # 78
You are so perniciously personal and bad-mouthed as though I have 'honourd' your sister or daughter like you believe MM was on another board.

#101 arjun {" have news for islamofascists like you who live in the west..in the west, i can call my dog mohammad and there's nothing the 1.2 offended billion muslims can do about it. "}

Arjun,
If you really wanted to do that you could and would have done that already without blowing on your trumpet. Please ask yourself if renaming Fido as Muhammad (Nauzbillah) is what you really wanted to do, or was it your pleasure at announcing to the world, especially Muslims, that you had the balls to do so? If your rationale was because you wanted to do so, you are lying. If your rationale was that you were looking to piss off and hurt fellow humans, you are a very mean person, albeit an honest one. May Allah give you something better to do than naming dogs after spiritual leaders. Amen.

masanamuthu #99 {"Do you deny that when islamists ask for punishments for defaming the prophet they are not basing that on islamic laws as approved by the prophet?"}

Mithu Mian,
YES! Emphatically yes. The Holy Prophet (PBUH) never approved the Islamic laws (Shariah) that were codified approximately 150-200 years after he passsed away.