And Now, The Charter of Demands—The Comedy Continues!

I wonder why the political parties whose rationale for their existence ostensibly is based on democracy and rule of law via election are boycotting their sin qua non and that too under a civilian president. In doing so are they not negating their very existence and inviting a new 'Wardy' to take over again. They should better take part in the elections and reject the results thereof if they find them to be rigged. They should not in any case consider the election to be their monopoly especially when the majority never voted for them.

hamid is going through a nervous breakdown. Please ignore his rants...

pardon my french, but, "fuck you guys!"

.......... hosni mubarak zindabad ! ............ finally ... finally, we have a system of government in this god forsaken country of ours ............

......... president musharraf zindabad !

saima shah writes "For one reason on another (I won't go into conspiracy theories and American ties) the Army has had the greatest resources of Pakistan and the only consistent institution to emerge from the chaos of Pakistan. Why? Once again the answer lies in multinational corporations who support and supply to the Pakistan Army. The Army is nothing if not aligned with neoliberal Capitalist agendas."

Very easy and cheap to say "conspiracy theory" to the involvement of the US elite in dominating the Pakistan Army which in turn dominates Pakistan. How can you divorce the "neo-liberal capitalist agenda" from "American involvement", when it is the US elite that set this agenda. Regarding the maturity of the politicians in Pakistan operating within the bounds of the Pak Army, this point has been made by me multiple times on this site for months and years....nothing new there...

Hamidumdum Sahib,
This is exactly why I think that we should have drafted Lalloo Prasad when he visited Pakistan. Now, that he is a successful minshter of Choo Choos and probably unavailable, we better hold on to to the next best thing we got - Mushy the defrocked civilian president.

hamidm: you forgot that mush. he is right there with NS in that exclusive club of two - i.e. government heads who attacked the Supreme Court and the Pakistan Constitution in their hunger for power.

also remember that regardless of his own destructive actions, NS is today correct in calling for reinstatement of the CJ. and Musharraf is dead wrong.

I was merely trying to keep Zeemax straight on this so he does not make the same mistake Quraishi and co are doing today - misrepresenting facts for the benefit of NS they way Quraishi and co. misrepresent facts for th benefit of Mush.

Regardless of who is in power - the mullahs are not taking over Pakistan. They are merely convenient fools for dictators, and become non-entities when there are free and fair elections and a responsible government comes to power.

Re: # 56

tahmed,

... thanks for reminding me that nawaz sharif comes from the same rotten stock as all our other politicians - i was almost about to make the mistake of voting for him .... what was i thinking !

....... if i remember correctly, he is the same man who tried to implement barbaric bedouin laws and made an attempt to annoint himself as ameer-ul-momineen in the tradition of the abominable four ....... la'holay walaquwat !

...... anyway, are you and imran khan still boycotting the elections ? ....... i know we don't have too many choices and all of them are pretty bad, but if we don't, the havayoon might turn our lovely homeland into the state of mecca or something equally horrible .....

..... let's vote for the king's party ......... long live the king!

zeemax #53 Why did NS remove CJ Sajjad in the first place? To the best of my understanding it was basically for the same reason musharraf removed current Chief Justice - i.e. his attempts to extend his executive powers by weakening the check that an independant Judiciary proves.

As for saeeduzzaman - perhaps he grew wiser over the years and understood the importance of the rule of law. who knows and who cares. what i care about is your answer to the above question, and i am all ears to being educated.

#54 Posted by Urstruly,

Thanks for pointing this out.

Re: # 48

The term "civil society" is a very loaded term and reeks of contempt and maliciousness. No doubt it has been invented by the military establishment since they cannot say the term "bloody civilians" at our face anymore because now it has consequences. If you look at the news reports and how a submissive media uses this term to refer to a suited-booted middle class who is out there just because the fermentation in their stomachs compels them to (that's their perspective). An ordinary Pakistani, one in beard or in shalwar still remains at the level of dangars and khotas. Why the fukk can't even the urdu media not use the word "awam" to refer to the people protesting. It is because the terms like "civil society" effectively creates an illusion of aparthied between khotas, dangars, those bloody belching civilians. We must be cautious of this psychological warfare which this progeny of dajjal is so good at.

#52 Posted by tahmed32,

The problem with you, as with most others, is that they take an event in isolation and believe it.

Listen, who did Nawaz Sharif in your view attack? Justice Sajjad Ali Shah.

And who did Nawaz Sharif put in his place (after the Quetta bench ruling)? Justice Saeeduzzaman Siddiqui as Chief Justice.

Now, when Musharraf's coup came, who refused to take oath under PCO-1? Justice Saeeduzzaman Siddiqui.

So it appears if Nawaz Sharif had attacked the SC, and given money to Saeeduzzaman Siddiqui (who headed the special Quetta bench to remove Sajjad Ali Shah) in a brief-case through President Tarar, Saeeduzzaman would have taken oath under musharraf, or don't you think?

I understand you're not a details man. But one shouldn't be that thick headed as to make deductions from adding two plus two.

#50 zeemax: cool down and write properly if you want to discuss something. and dont expect me to waste time in your questioning what i have seen for myself - pictures of ghoondas storming the supreme court at the height of the confrontation between NS and the SC under Chief Justice Sajjad. Nawaz Sharif's men vilified that Chief Justice just as Musharraf's men are vilifying the current Chief Justice (the real one, who is under house arrest).

econfused #42 Like you, I too am arguing for an independant judiciary.

The current crisis, despite the great costs and tremendous sacrifices by brave individuals for the cause of freedom, has already done a good deal for Pakistan - our politicians and our young people are learning the importance of an independant judiciary; the outside world is learning that Pakistan is not overflowing with half-brained gun-toting religious fanatics but has instead a large and dynamic middle class that is second to none in the world in terms of understanding the importance of standing up for the principles of human rights and the rule of law. And mush is separated from his uniform.

#49 Posted by tahmed32,

Well .. blah blah ... but you didn't answer on whether the supreme court storming charge is true or not.

zeemax #43 No need to get defensive about NS. We should not trust any individual to make him unaccountable - even if it is Mother Teresa herself. And the Rule of Law and the Supremacy of the Constitution is the only way to ensure that. That is all that the brave judges of Pakistan who were pushed away by Musharraf have ben saying, and that is the single most important thing necessary if we wish to see Pakistan prosper rather than remain in the mess that Musharraf has put it in.

#45 Posted by Urstruly

...the daughters and wife of the testicles like Khurshid Kasoori were shown protesting against the "Emergency+".

I saw that and had to see it a few times to believe it. Kasuri's wife is the founder and owner of the entire Foundation House School System.

It appears critical mass has appeared, but civil society ... I don't know .... whether they'll get their nose bloodied like the Minallah woman did.