Moeed Pirzada December 7, 2007
#237 Posted by ijaz_gul on December 11, 2007 10:27:24 pm
Yes, Kargil was a watershed and as written by Nazar Hayat Khan, Pakistan will have to come to terms with it. Agha is right when he says that it was also the end of era for those romantic soldiers and young officers.
Come 9/11, and the same soldiers were launched in the tribal areas to fight a disowned war.They operate in a hostile grey environment created by prolifertation of too may agencies.
Come 9/11, and the same soldiers were launched in the tribal areas to fight a disowned war.They operate in a hostile grey environment created by prolifertation of too may agencies.
#236 Posted by Eklavya on December 11, 2007 8:24:01 pm
okhla99 # 234,
"where had you been all these years"
And I always thought everybody in Pakistan knew A. H. Amin!
It's still hard to get over the fact that he has decided to come to chowk.
okhla bhai, A. H. Amin is one of those rare individuals who write the absolute truth as they see it (with which one may disagree). He does not "interpret," nor "shade" to suit pre-determined ideological purposes. And he knows more about Pakistan than most of us ever will.
It is embarrassingly obvious: I have long been and am a complete fan. Did I already say I can't figure out what a man like him is doing among us? :)
"where had you been all these years"
And I always thought everybody in Pakistan knew A. H. Amin!
It's still hard to get over the fact that he has decided to come to chowk.
okhla bhai, A. H. Amin is one of those rare individuals who write the absolute truth as they see it (with which one may disagree). He does not "interpret," nor "shade" to suit pre-determined ideological purposes. And he knows more about Pakistan than most of us ever will.
It is embarrassingly obvious: I have long been and am a complete fan. Did I already say I can't figure out what a man like him is doing among us? :)
#235 Posted by majumdar on December 11, 2007 7:48:09 pm
Amin sahib,
Thanks for taking time out to post on chowk. Your articles have been quite enlightening. Especially your posts on Kargil quite clearly debunk the myth that it was Mujahideens who did the fighting there.
What about the Talibs who conquered A'stan in 1995? Were they just ordinary Pushtoon Afghan students who arose spontaneously and took over the country or were they widely backed by the Pak Army including tanks and aircrafts as is alleged. If you could shed some light on the matter. Thanks in advance.
Regards
Thanks for taking time out to post on chowk. Your articles have been quite enlightening. Especially your posts on Kargil quite clearly debunk the myth that it was Mujahideens who did the fighting there.
What about the Talibs who conquered A'stan in 1995? Were they just ordinary Pushtoon Afghan students who arose spontaneously and took over the country or were they widely backed by the Pak Army including tanks and aircrafts as is alleged. If you could shed some light on the matter. Thanks in advance.
Regards
#234 Posted by okhla99 on December 11, 2007 7:17:55 pm
Pavo Bhai,
Aap kamaal hain!!!
Where had you been all these years??? Your articles have provided a rare insight and you now have a considerable following on chowk.
Salaam Sir.
Aap kamaal hain!!!
Where had you been all these years??? Your articles have provided a rare insight and you now have a considerable following on chowk.
Salaam Sir.
#233 Posted by anil on December 11, 2007 12:26:32 pm
Majumdar:
You and Kaal are part of greater majority of Today's India who would endorse partition that happened in their grandparents generation (this generation is 40% of India).
I grant there may be some like gujju banias from this generation who may have other thoughts, but then you have many like me from parents generation who always believed partition was essential. A fact that was resolved when the minds were partitioned.
HP quotes Wiki, which only shows a lack of understanding of forces and dynamics of that time. British were almost bankrupt, their industries and economy were battered during the process. They could not have fought the war without the support and resources from the commonwealth. This included Royal Indian Army, with very large muslim strength.
QIM convinced the Brits that they cannot keep the leaders in jail and rule, they cannot cannot prosecute and prevail, they cannot let them out and rule. Any doubts in their mind were gone after a mutiny which was organized the communist, that demobilized soldiers will only add fuel and start the fire, which is only peaceful at that time.
There is substantial evidence of the above in India papers that you find in Cambridge University library.
However, what is not clear is whether it was the Brits plan to jail and face a peaceful QIM which would neither divert nor deprive them of military resources during the war. I would not be surprised that it is for this reason they may have struck a separate deal with Jinnah on muslim grounds, and may have given certain assurances to him regarding Pakistan. Royal Indian Army had very larger muslim component.
It is also not clear whether they had realized before jailing leaders that they would find themselves in a corner from where their task would be only to "Quit India." There is evidence in these papers of negotiations between the Brits and INC leaders to seek assurances to not disturb the peace that could hurt British and Commonwealth war efforts.
I am ready to presume that both Gandhi and Nehru favored Brits over Japanese or Germans, and could have realized this stalemate for the Brits of being in the corner with only one escape to Quit India. Therefore, they may have seen Quit India as the only option for the Brits and for themselves to keep peace and keep independence movement going.
Hence launch it rather than abandon it. They had nothing to loose, other than being in the cooler. They probably also realized that there was a lot to gain, as alternative would have been to suspend Independence movement. History was in front of them, when during the earlier war Indians stopped and cooperated with the Brits on the promise of Home Rule(name ??). Brits changed their mind after the war.
Quit India's premise was that Congress wanted sooner, Jinnah wanted more time. I am certain that Jinnah knew his demand would not hold water with the Brits in the absence of Congress support for the delay. Jinnah must have thrown this card in to negotiate something else.
QIM achieved its goal - Quit India sooner, which obviously was not in line with Jinnah and Muslim League's objectives.
I am not sure, if it was possible for Jinnah a movement for Brits to "Not Quit Pakistan" atleast for a few more years. Something like this indeed happend in Sri Lanka and Burma.
You and Kaal are part of greater majority of Today's India who would endorse partition that happened in their grandparents generation (this generation is 40% of India).
I grant there may be some like gujju banias from this generation who may have other thoughts, but then you have many like me from parents generation who always believed partition was essential. A fact that was resolved when the minds were partitioned.
HP quotes Wiki, which only shows a lack of understanding of forces and dynamics of that time. British were almost bankrupt, their industries and economy were battered during the process. They could not have fought the war without the support and resources from the commonwealth. This included Royal Indian Army, with very large muslim strength.
QIM convinced the Brits that they cannot keep the leaders in jail and rule, they cannot cannot prosecute and prevail, they cannot let them out and rule. Any doubts in their mind were gone after a mutiny which was organized the communist, that demobilized soldiers will only add fuel and start the fire, which is only peaceful at that time.
There is substantial evidence of the above in India papers that you find in Cambridge University library.
However, what is not clear is whether it was the Brits plan to jail and face a peaceful QIM which would neither divert nor deprive them of military resources during the war. I would not be surprised that it is for this reason they may have struck a separate deal with Jinnah on muslim grounds, and may have given certain assurances to him regarding Pakistan. Royal Indian Army had very larger muslim component.
It is also not clear whether they had realized before jailing leaders that they would find themselves in a corner from where their task would be only to "Quit India." There is evidence in these papers of negotiations between the Brits and INC leaders to seek assurances to not disturb the peace that could hurt British and Commonwealth war efforts.
I am ready to presume that both Gandhi and Nehru favored Brits over Japanese or Germans, and could have realized this stalemate for the Brits of being in the corner with only one escape to Quit India. Therefore, they may have seen Quit India as the only option for the Brits and for themselves to keep peace and keep independence movement going.
Hence launch it rather than abandon it. They had nothing to loose, other than being in the cooler. They probably also realized that there was a lot to gain, as alternative would have been to suspend Independence movement. History was in front of them, when during the earlier war Indians stopped and cooperated with the Brits on the promise of Home Rule(name ??). Brits changed their mind after the war.
Quit India's premise was that Congress wanted sooner, Jinnah wanted more time. I am certain that Jinnah knew his demand would not hold water with the Brits in the absence of Congress support for the delay. Jinnah must have thrown this card in to negotiate something else.
QIM achieved its goal - Quit India sooner, which obviously was not in line with Jinnah and Muslim League's objectives.
I am not sure, if it was possible for Jinnah a movement for Brits to "Not Quit Pakistan" atleast for a few more years. Something like this indeed happend in Sri Lanka and Burma.
#232 Posted by pavocavalry on December 11, 2007 12:19:15 pm
Re: # 231---I can presently find only one.
#231 Posted by arjun8 on December 11, 2007 12:07:42 pm
#221 Posted by pavocavalry on December 11, 2007 11:27:00 am
I have been critical of Kargil.Attached are my two articles on Kargil published in 2002.
nice. but I only see one.
I have been critical of Kargil.Attached are my two articles on Kargil published in 2002.
nice. but I only see one.
#230 Posted by pavocavalry on December 11, 2007 11:55:10 am
Re: # 228:--- THE LAST REMEDY-PUBLISHED IN NATION LAHORE-NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER 2003
Authors Note:-- I have never been a religious man not having gopne to a msoque
for more than 20 years but the idea that appeals to me is " rebellion against
tyranny and injustice".
This article was written only because of disgust with opportunism worldwide.
A.H Amin
05 Nov 2005
13 Oct 2003
Heroes versus Opportunists
When all remedies fail and all wisdom is promiscuously degraded into
naked pragmatic opportunism twisted to suit personal ends glorified
as idealistic collective aspirations , the last remedy is neither
outwardly brilliant , nor apparently wise, but one that alters the
course of history at best and instills some semblance of fear of God
in the men at the helm of affairs !
Consider the following incidents, all precise historical realities,
some stranger than fiction, albeit true!
On pretext of training and with a design to hurt the religious
sentiments of his soldiers an over strict martinet of a British
commanding officer denied Eid leave to sepoys of 4/2nd Punjab
Regiment in the not too distant year of 1938 . Somewhere in the
field near Amangarh Ranges in Nowshera one fine winter night in
November 1938 , a day before Eid ,a Punjabi Muslim soldier decided
that the matter could only be vindicated by a caliber 303 Lee
Enfield Rifle ! During the night this indomitable soul ran amok and
shot dead four British officers , the first being the commanding
officer of the Regiment and also three Indian VCOs ,more loyal than
the king ! The British hushed up the incident, as few in Pakistan
know today , , keeping in line with foxy old policy of " conspiracy
of silence" ! The unit was quietly disbanded! Nevertheless fear of
God was driven home well, albeit backed by the mighty swift force of
kinetic energy of 303 caliber projectiles! The assailant was killed,
but the example he set was well understood, i.e. do not
underestimate the religious sentiments of your men!
In yet another incident earlier in 1904 Sepoy Kabul Khan , hailing
from a fine P[akhtun tribe , the Abur Rehman Khel sub section of the
Bahlolzai section of the illustriopus Mahsud tribe shot dead Captain
J.B Bowring the Political SAgent of Waziristan in the middle of the
nioght through the head ! In a subsequent dialogue soon after the
incident the simple sepoy explained that he had a clear conscience
since " Bowring was sleeping with his feet towards Mecca"
and "therefore I shot him " ! Later Kabul Khan surrendered , threw
his rifle without fear of death and was shot dead , dying with a
clean conscience !
In 1984 two valiant Sikhs inscribed another lesson in the sands of
time with their blood ! No heavy ranked corps commanders like Brar
who slavishly followed orders to storm the Golden Temple despite
being a Sikh in name ! These were simple souls , one an ordinary
constable Satwant Singh and the other a Sub Inspector Beant Singh !
On the morning of 31st October 1984 at 9.38 precisely these two
fearless men pumped seven bullets of a Sten Gun and revolver into
the vital organs of Durga Devi ! No missiles test fired at unknown
test sites but simple bullets which did the job which no missiles
may ever ironically do ! The men died but the message that they gave
in martyrdom lives !
In 1978 Egyptian president Anwar Sadat a complexed man inflicted
with a highly dangerous disease ofcshameless opportunism betrayed
the Arab Muslim cause at Camp David ! This betrayal was avenged by a
lieutenant name Khalid Islambouli in 1981 !
Islambouli was executed , he never perhaps wanted to be a red tape
without conscience , but he remains a hero in the eyes of many who
have the heart to feel and the courage to think beyond immediate
self interest !
The Holy Bible says " What shall it profit a man , if he shall gain
the whole world and lose his soul ! (Bible-Mark 8:36).Compare this
with the shameless opportunism of so many Suhartos and Sadats , the
apparently wise men who lost wars but ruled their own people with
help of Western powers ! I hold that militarily 1973 War was won by
Israelis ! Perhaps the only war that the Israeils may lose is the
present one against the guerrilla forces of Islam !
What is the life of a man ? Pilot Officer V.A Roseware who perished
in the Battlle of Britain in 1940 explained this enigma in a letter
written to his mother shortly before his death at the age of 25 0r
26 in the following words " The universe is so vast and so ageless
that the lifec of one man can only be justified by the measure of
his sacrifice" !
In Armughan I Hijaz the poet philosopher Iqbal says " Why there is
no storm in your river ? Why your ego is nota true Muslim? It is
absoolutely useless to complain against the destiny determined by
God ? Why are you notb the destiny of God yourself ? "
The Kamikaze pilots who crashed theior planes sacrificing their
lives in second world war had the following motto " Like a blossom
today then scattered , life is like a delicate flower ! How can one
expect the fragrance to last forver ? "
When will leaders of Islam get out of the whirlpool of cheap
existence and opportunism ! Bending obsequiously , and clicking
their heels while shaking hands with US assistant secretaries of
state !
Acclaiming their masters and basking in the glory of a passive
foreign policy which has divided the Muslim world , facilitating the
US task to defeat all Islamic forces piecemeal , one by one while ,
many others run after carrots suspended in mid air by USA as baits !
All is well while Syria is attacked by Israeli fighters while US
Assistant Secretary of state visits Islamabad !
What is the idea of life ! To get a green card ! To build a palatial
bungalow in Zamzama Scheme or Bani Gala ! To make costly
condominiums and penthouses next to a creek overflowing with the
phenomenal load of half the gutters of Karachi !
When I sometimes sleep a student of mine in Armour school shakes my
shoulder in a dream ! Tiwana then a captain as I saw him in 1990-
91 , later embracing ,martyrdom in Kargil in 1999 as a major tells
me " Sir I am very unhappy , do you know how we died , do you know
what happened to us , we had volunteered to fight for the cause of
Islam" ! Once this dream ends I imagine the heroes of those rocky
pinnacles!
" Piles of bones, once animated by the proud breath of life ,now
merely scattered limbs ,nameless remains , human chaos ,sacred
agglomeration of countless relics – God shall recognize you , the
dust of heroes !
Perhaps history will not forgive leaders whop betrayed their
nations! Leaders who usurped power by virtue of their institutional
positions earned after years of cheap manoeuvring and sycophancy !
What is the use of massive military hardwares , impressive
missiles , macho camouflaged uniforms once the leaders have no will
to fight ! What is the use of a top heavy military bureaucracy which
seeks glory in playing the part of the pragmatic docile subsidiary
vassal !
Why do common people become suicide bombers ! It is so because
conventional armies of the Muslim world have to failed to do their
job in battle , yet they enjoy moviong around with swagger and
bravado claiming that they are the most martial military machines in
the history of mankind !
The pleasant future that the US policy makers may have promised the
relatively naieve Pakistani policy makers is essentially only a
carrot to make the mule do its job !
Authors Note:-- I have never been a religious man not having gopne to a msoque
for more than 20 years but the idea that appeals to me is " rebellion against
tyranny and injustice".
This article was written only because of disgust with opportunism worldwide.
A.H Amin
05 Nov 2005
13 Oct 2003
Heroes versus Opportunists
When all remedies fail and all wisdom is promiscuously degraded into
naked pragmatic opportunism twisted to suit personal ends glorified
as idealistic collective aspirations , the last remedy is neither
outwardly brilliant , nor apparently wise, but one that alters the
course of history at best and instills some semblance of fear of God
in the men at the helm of affairs !
Consider the following incidents, all precise historical realities,
some stranger than fiction, albeit true!
On pretext of training and with a design to hurt the religious
sentiments of his soldiers an over strict martinet of a British
commanding officer denied Eid leave to sepoys of 4/2nd Punjab
Regiment in the not too distant year of 1938 . Somewhere in the
field near Amangarh Ranges in Nowshera one fine winter night in
November 1938 , a day before Eid ,a Punjabi Muslim soldier decided
that the matter could only be vindicated by a caliber 303 Lee
Enfield Rifle ! During the night this indomitable soul ran amok and
shot dead four British officers , the first being the commanding
officer of the Regiment and also three Indian VCOs ,more loyal than
the king ! The British hushed up the incident, as few in Pakistan
know today , , keeping in line with foxy old policy of " conspiracy
of silence" ! The unit was quietly disbanded! Nevertheless fear of
God was driven home well, albeit backed by the mighty swift force of
kinetic energy of 303 caliber projectiles! The assailant was killed,
but the example he set was well understood, i.e. do not
underestimate the religious sentiments of your men!
In yet another incident earlier in 1904 Sepoy Kabul Khan , hailing
from a fine P[akhtun tribe , the Abur Rehman Khel sub section of the
Bahlolzai section of the illustriopus Mahsud tribe shot dead Captain
J.B Bowring the Political SAgent of Waziristan in the middle of the
nioght through the head ! In a subsequent dialogue soon after the
incident the simple sepoy explained that he had a clear conscience
since " Bowring was sleeping with his feet towards Mecca"
and "therefore I shot him " ! Later Kabul Khan surrendered , threw
his rifle without fear of death and was shot dead , dying with a
clean conscience !
In 1984 two valiant Sikhs inscribed another lesson in the sands of
time with their blood ! No heavy ranked corps commanders like Brar
who slavishly followed orders to storm the Golden Temple despite
being a Sikh in name ! These were simple souls , one an ordinary
constable Satwant Singh and the other a Sub Inspector Beant Singh !
On the morning of 31st October 1984 at 9.38 precisely these two
fearless men pumped seven bullets of a Sten Gun and revolver into
the vital organs of Durga Devi ! No missiles test fired at unknown
test sites but simple bullets which did the job which no missiles
may ever ironically do ! The men died but the message that they gave
in martyrdom lives !
In 1978 Egyptian president Anwar Sadat a complexed man inflicted
with a highly dangerous disease ofcshameless opportunism betrayed
the Arab Muslim cause at Camp David ! This betrayal was avenged by a
lieutenant name Khalid Islambouli in 1981 !
Islambouli was executed , he never perhaps wanted to be a red tape
without conscience , but he remains a hero in the eyes of many who
have the heart to feel and the courage to think beyond immediate
self interest !
The Holy Bible says " What shall it profit a man , if he shall gain
the whole world and lose his soul ! (Bible-Mark 8:36).Compare this
with the shameless opportunism of so many Suhartos and Sadats , the
apparently wise men who lost wars but ruled their own people with
help of Western powers ! I hold that militarily 1973 War was won by
Israelis ! Perhaps the only war that the Israeils may lose is the
present one against the guerrilla forces of Islam !
What is the life of a man ? Pilot Officer V.A Roseware who perished
in the Battlle of Britain in 1940 explained this enigma in a letter
written to his mother shortly before his death at the age of 25 0r
26 in the following words " The universe is so vast and so ageless
that the lifec of one man can only be justified by the measure of
his sacrifice" !
In Armughan I Hijaz the poet philosopher Iqbal says " Why there is
no storm in your river ? Why your ego is nota true Muslim? It is
absoolutely useless to complain against the destiny determined by
God ? Why are you notb the destiny of God yourself ? "
The Kamikaze pilots who crashed theior planes sacrificing their
lives in second world war had the following motto " Like a blossom
today then scattered , life is like a delicate flower ! How can one
expect the fragrance to last forver ? "
When will leaders of Islam get out of the whirlpool of cheap
existence and opportunism ! Bending obsequiously , and clicking
their heels while shaking hands with US assistant secretaries of
state !
Acclaiming their masters and basking in the glory of a passive
foreign policy which has divided the Muslim world , facilitating the
US task to defeat all Islamic forces piecemeal , one by one while ,
many others run after carrots suspended in mid air by USA as baits !
All is well while Syria is attacked by Israeli fighters while US
Assistant Secretary of state visits Islamabad !
What is the idea of life ! To get a green card ! To build a palatial
bungalow in Zamzama Scheme or Bani Gala ! To make costly
condominiums and penthouses next to a creek overflowing with the
phenomenal load of half the gutters of Karachi !
When I sometimes sleep a student of mine in Armour school shakes my
shoulder in a dream ! Tiwana then a captain as I saw him in 1990-
91 , later embracing ,martyrdom in Kargil in 1999 as a major tells
me " Sir I am very unhappy , do you know how we died , do you know
what happened to us , we had volunteered to fight for the cause of
Islam" ! Once this dream ends I imagine the heroes of those rocky
pinnacles!
" Piles of bones, once animated by the proud breath of life ,now
merely scattered limbs ,nameless remains , human chaos ,sacred
agglomeration of countless relics – God shall recognize you , the
dust of heroes !
Perhaps history will not forgive leaders whop betrayed their
nations! Leaders who usurped power by virtue of their institutional
positions earned after years of cheap manoeuvring and sycophancy !
What is the use of massive military hardwares , impressive
missiles , macho camouflaged uniforms once the leaders have no will
to fight ! What is the use of a top heavy military bureaucracy which
seeks glory in playing the part of the pragmatic docile subsidiary
vassal !
Why do common people become suicide bombers ! It is so because
conventional armies of the Muslim world have to failed to do their
job in battle , yet they enjoy moviong around with swagger and
bravado claiming that they are the most martial military machines in
the history of mankind !
The pleasant future that the US policy makers may have promised the
relatively naieve Pakistani policy makers is essentially only a
carrot to make the mule do its job !
#229 Posted by pavocavalry on December 11, 2007 11:50:54 am
Re: # 227---At the ideal level you may be right but who will do it.Divided politicians since the judicial murder of ZAB , docile army ,a common man in grip of inflation,too many police to terrorise the common man.I think there is no hope.
#228 Posted by tahmed32 on December 11, 2007 11:45:06 am
#225 thanks. shall look it up in these libraries which are within reach.
#227 Posted by tahmed32 on December 11, 2007 11:44:05 am
#222 pavocavalry: again, this description of kargill is consistent with what i had heard, and very educational at least for me since i had not read any written accounts on kargill.
Wasnt the main purpose of kargill to sabotage peace talks between two elected pms? Shouldnt musharraf be brought to court for undertaking this sabotage of the nation's elected government? and also held to account for the hundreds of lives lost on both sides?
How can the Pakistan military regain its honor in the eyes of ordinary Pakistanis unless it faces up to such lawless actions?
Wasnt the main purpose of kargill to sabotage peace talks between two elected pms? Shouldnt musharraf be brought to court for undertaking this sabotage of the nation's elected government? and also held to account for the hundreds of lives lost on both sides?
How can the Pakistan military regain its honor in the eyes of ordinary Pakistanis unless it faces up to such lawless actions?
#226 Posted by pavocavalry on December 11, 2007 11:42:26 am
Re: # 224:-- This was after they published my articles " The Last Remedy" and " The Gathering Storm" in Statesman Peshawar.
#225 Posted by pavocavalry on December 11, 2007 11:38:37 am
Re: # 223:-- You may find Pakistan Army in 1965 in Library of Congress,Combined Arms Research Library Fort Leavenworth US Army Staff College,US Army War College Carlisle Pennsylvania Library,US Armor School Fort Knox Library or National Library of Australia.
#224 Posted by pavocavalry on December 11, 2007 11:36:23 am
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your first article (Oct 11) caused a stir in GHQ, therefore it is
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dear sir
your first article (Oct 11) caused a stir in GHQ, therefore it is
not possible for us to publish "Pakistan's Strategic Dilemma"
hope you will understand
thanx and regards
ghulam mustafa
the statesman
peshawar
#223 Posted by tahmed32 on December 11, 2007 11:35:16 am
#220 pavocavalry: anything available online? (i am not in pakistan, so hard to get to the pindi army library, e.g.)
#222 Posted by pavocavalry on December 11, 2007 11:33:55 am
Musharraf's Secret War in Kargil
by A. H. Amin
Media Monitors Network May 2002
Kargil stands as perhaps the final military effort on Pakistan's part to settle the Kashmir dispute by military means.
Analysis has mostly centered around political aspects of the operation while the military aspects have been largely left to the imagination of the public. Lately it has been claimed that Kargil was launched to bail out Mujahideen as a last resort ! This is an insult to the memory of the Pakistani armed forces "Volunteers" who died in that Himalayan wasteland without a funeral and in circumstances of unimaginable misery !
Kargil operation cannot be understood unless the personalities and motives of the principal characters are examined ! Every action in history is the final culmination of a personality's self perception, ambition and subconscious as well as conscious urges.
In this context the Kargil operation was born out of two key factors ! One was the personality of general Pervez Musharraf and the second was the un-ceremonial manner in which Nawaz Sharif ousted General Jahangir Karamat Musharraf's predecessor army chief of Pakistan Army.
Musharraf as those who have served with him know which includes this scribe also has always been an intensely ambitious man ! One hallmark of his personality is that he wants to stand out as a great military commander ! Propelled by an enormous ego wherever he served he endeavored to do something extraordinary ! However fate did not allow him the glory in battle which his other course-mates like shabbir sharif achieved ! In 1965 Musharraf was a subaltern in an artillery unit which saw little action apart from supporting operations by indirect fire ! The 16 SP unlike 3 SP which fired on Indian tanks with direct gun-sights at Chawinda stayed in conventional artillery role ! In 1971 Musharraf's commando company was not involved in action ! Nevertheless Musharraf compensated for this lack of combat laurels by achieving laurels in army courses and in various command assignments ! His final opportunity came when he ascended to the post of army chief in a situation when the army was! in a subservient position vis-à-vis the civilian head of state , something which was regarded by the military hierarchy as worse than blasphemy !
The forced retirement of General Karamat by prime minister Nawaz Sharif was regarded as a personal defeat by the Pakistani military brass and by Musharraf who felt that he would be a far weaker army chief under a strong prime minister who had asserted civilian control over the military machine !
These two factors were the fathers of the Kargil operation ! Ambition accompanied by a perception that the Pakistani public must be convinced that the soldiers were better than politicians.
Kargil at the military level was the brainchild of three men i.e. General Musharraf the army chief,Aziz the then army Chief of general Staff and Mahmud the then corps commander 10 Corps ! Musharraf and Mahmud were motivated by intense ambition to achieve military glory and Aziz was motivated by his Kashmiri ancestry plus military ambition. The person they selected to execute the operation was again one distinguished by out of proportion ambition i.e. Major General Javed Hassan , author of a book in 1990s that claimed that India was on its way to disintegration and in which moughal king Humayun was resurrected from the grave to fight at Second Battle of Panipat !
In November December 1998 just one month after Musharraf's elevation to the post of army chief volunteers were asked for at the army level for an operation in Kashmir ! Many thousand volunteered including both officers and men from various units !
At no stage did any Mujahideen enter Kargil ! This is a piece of fiction and has no veracity !
These were attached to NLI units in the 80 Brigade sector for training. The principal idea of the plan was to infiltrate four battalions of NLI (Northern light Infantry) stationed in 80 Brigade Sector into Kargil Heights overlooking and dominating the Srinagar Ladakh road the lone Indian link with the Siachen and Leh Sectors ! The idea being to cut the lifeline of Indian supplies to Leh and Siachen Sectors ! Indian held heights in Kargil were to be occupied in February 1999 while Indian infantry had abandoned these heights at the approach of winter snow as an annual routine since 1948.In occupying the heights no fighting was involved ! The real issue was that of supplying Pakistani troops holding these heights which was far more difficult from the Pakistani side than from the Indian side !
Plans were kept secret and even the Commander 10 Corps Engineers of was not allowed to enter the Operations Room in 10 Corps Pindi.
The distance involved in reaching the heights varied from 15 to 35 kilometers from Pakistan side over mountains as high as 13 to 19,000 feet .To do this each battalion was divided into two parts , one acting as porters taking supplies forward and one half occupying the heights.
The heights were occupied as per the plan but the four units while doing so were severely exhausted ! In March-April the Indians discovered the Pakistani presence and reacted severely ! Severe fighting continued till July once the Indians finally re-captured the heights after Pakistani troops had been left to the mercy of Indian artillery and overwhelming troop concentrations as a result of the Blair House Accord !
A brief military examination of the plan reveals following weaknesses.(1) Failure to assess strategic repercussions of the operation at geo-politic and national strategic level .(2) Logistic failure in incorrect appreciation of supplying the troops . (3) Failure to understand that by occupying the heights the Indians were driven into a corner and had no choice but to retaliate , not for glory as was the Pakistani military's case but for pure military survival . (4) At a more subtle level the use of the Chora-Batalik Sector as a future spring board for Pakistani operations against India was sealed since Indians heavily fortified this sector for any future war.
The Pakistani planners failed to assess that war as an instrument of policy is no longer in vogue at the international level and their temporary military success would only bring greater international censure and a negative war mongering image without any corresponding military gain at the strategic level.
This scribe interviewed a former commander of FCNA and 10 Corps about logistics and General Imtiaz Warraich replied as following :-
"We initiated this operation but failed to support it with comprehensive operational planning and above all buildup for essential logistic support without which no operation can succeed"......'" the principal reason for our heavy casualties and lack of progress was unimaginative and callous logistic operations to support the units".
At one point the sepoys who had volunteered to fight and had come from many other infantry units to the NLI units refused to act as porters carrying supplies over 15 kilometres and were so exasperated that they defied Javed Hassan's personal orders in unit durbars to carry supplies and when Javed Hassn threw his cap on the ground threatened to march over it unless they were not employed as porters ! One such volunteer told this scribe that we had volunteered to fight ,not to act as porters ! The same fact was also mentioned in ISI chief Ziauddin Butt's secret report to Nawaz Sharif prepared by an Engineer officer on Zia's staff in ISI !
The failure to assess the "Enemy" factor was another strategic planning failure at the highest level .I asked General Warraich this question and he stated " Capture of Kargil Heights would totally stop all Indian movement to Leh and Ladakh Sectors unlike Pakistan in Siachen and Indians had no option but to do and die " !
Lust for glory and honour in battle are perfectly reasonable aspirations as long as they are accompanied by commensurate military talent in the generals who are at the helm of affairs ! This was sadly lacking in the Musharraf team who planned the operation. Their egos were many times larger than their real military talent !
By promoting an intensely ambitious man to the rank of army chief Nawaz did a favor which could only be repaid by betrayal ! The plan was based not on sound military reasoning but on burning ambition and an unrealistic desire for glory by men far away from the heat of battle ! No one above major level died , yet in a report to the military secretary's branch Javed Hassan recommended retiring 75 % of officers involved in the operation below colonel level !
The prime minister was not fully briefed because of ulterior motives ! Had the operation succeeded it would have been projected as a proof of Musharraf's Napoleonic brilliance and if it failed as it did Nawaz Sharif would have been made the scapegoat !
The operations planners were distinguished neither by loftiness of thought, nor audacity in the conduct of battle at the operational or strategic level. Thus boldness at tactical level was sacrificed because of operational and tactical timidity at the highest level.
No one appreciated that the army men who were employed , and it is a fiction that there was a single Mujahid in Kargil, had flesh and blood ! These men mourned by a few hundred families were sons husbands fathers and brothers !
The Kargil operation at the military level is a watershed ! Idealism that propelled many hundred to die in those Himalayan wastes is buried for good ! Now there is a new breed which dominates the army ! The ones who aim at going on lush UN second-ments or to KESC,WAPDA or as well paid consultants !
What can one conclude ! It was the human heart that failed in Kargil and this heart which failed was housed in the ribcage of men sitting in the GHQ and not on the rocky pinnacles of Kargil ! Once the supply lines were closed under Indian threat of a counter attack , these brave men all Pakistan Army regulars were abandoned to die, pounded by artillery fire , bayoneted by overwhelming numbers , weakened by starvation ! Who can hear their cries ! Our ears are covered with heaps of lies ! Truth died at Kargil ! What remains is a bodyguard of lies!
by A. H. Amin
Media Monitors Network May 2002
Kargil stands as perhaps the final military effort on Pakistan's part to settle the Kashmir dispute by military means.
Analysis has mostly centered around political aspects of the operation while the military aspects have been largely left to the imagination of the public. Lately it has been claimed that Kargil was launched to bail out Mujahideen as a last resort ! This is an insult to the memory of the Pakistani armed forces "Volunteers" who died in that Himalayan wasteland without a funeral and in circumstances of unimaginable misery !
Kargil operation cannot be understood unless the personalities and motives of the principal characters are examined ! Every action in history is the final culmination of a personality's self perception, ambition and subconscious as well as conscious urges.
In this context the Kargil operation was born out of two key factors ! One was the personality of general Pervez Musharraf and the second was the un-ceremonial manner in which Nawaz Sharif ousted General Jahangir Karamat Musharraf's predecessor army chief of Pakistan Army.
Musharraf as those who have served with him know which includes this scribe also has always been an intensely ambitious man ! One hallmark of his personality is that he wants to stand out as a great military commander ! Propelled by an enormous ego wherever he served he endeavored to do something extraordinary ! However fate did not allow him the glory in battle which his other course-mates like shabbir sharif achieved ! In 1965 Musharraf was a subaltern in an artillery unit which saw little action apart from supporting operations by indirect fire ! The 16 SP unlike 3 SP which fired on Indian tanks with direct gun-sights at Chawinda stayed in conventional artillery role ! In 1971 Musharraf's commando company was not involved in action ! Nevertheless Musharraf compensated for this lack of combat laurels by achieving laurels in army courses and in various command assignments ! His final opportunity came when he ascended to the post of army chief in a situation when the army was! in a subservient position vis-à-vis the civilian head of state , something which was regarded by the military hierarchy as worse than blasphemy !
The forced retirement of General Karamat by prime minister Nawaz Sharif was regarded as a personal defeat by the Pakistani military brass and by Musharraf who felt that he would be a far weaker army chief under a strong prime minister who had asserted civilian control over the military machine !
These two factors were the fathers of the Kargil operation ! Ambition accompanied by a perception that the Pakistani public must be convinced that the soldiers were better than politicians.
Kargil at the military level was the brainchild of three men i.e. General Musharraf the army chief,Aziz the then army Chief of general Staff and Mahmud the then corps commander 10 Corps ! Musharraf and Mahmud were motivated by intense ambition to achieve military glory and Aziz was motivated by his Kashmiri ancestry plus military ambition. The person they selected to execute the operation was again one distinguished by out of proportion ambition i.e. Major General Javed Hassan , author of a book in 1990s that claimed that India was on its way to disintegration and in which moughal king Humayun was resurrected from the grave to fight at Second Battle of Panipat !
In November December 1998 just one month after Musharraf's elevation to the post of army chief volunteers were asked for at the army level for an operation in Kashmir ! Many thousand volunteered including both officers and men from various units !
At no stage did any Mujahideen enter Kargil ! This is a piece of fiction and has no veracity !
These were attached to NLI units in the 80 Brigade sector for training. The principal idea of the plan was to infiltrate four battalions of NLI (Northern light Infantry) stationed in 80 Brigade Sector into Kargil Heights overlooking and dominating the Srinagar Ladakh road the lone Indian link with the Siachen and Leh Sectors ! The idea being to cut the lifeline of Indian supplies to Leh and Siachen Sectors ! Indian held heights in Kargil were to be occupied in February 1999 while Indian infantry had abandoned these heights at the approach of winter snow as an annual routine since 1948.In occupying the heights no fighting was involved ! The real issue was that of supplying Pakistani troops holding these heights which was far more difficult from the Pakistani side than from the Indian side !
Plans were kept secret and even the Commander 10 Corps Engineers of was not allowed to enter the Operations Room in 10 Corps Pindi.
The distance involved in reaching the heights varied from 15 to 35 kilometers from Pakistan side over mountains as high as 13 to 19,000 feet .To do this each battalion was divided into two parts , one acting as porters taking supplies forward and one half occupying the heights.
The heights were occupied as per the plan but the four units while doing so were severely exhausted ! In March-April the Indians discovered the Pakistani presence and reacted severely ! Severe fighting continued till July once the Indians finally re-captured the heights after Pakistani troops had been left to the mercy of Indian artillery and overwhelming troop concentrations as a result of the Blair House Accord !
A brief military examination of the plan reveals following weaknesses.(1) Failure to assess strategic repercussions of the operation at geo-politic and national strategic level .(2) Logistic failure in incorrect appreciation of supplying the troops . (3) Failure to understand that by occupying the heights the Indians were driven into a corner and had no choice but to retaliate , not for glory as was the Pakistani military's case but for pure military survival . (4) At a more subtle level the use of the Chora-Batalik Sector as a future spring board for Pakistani operations against India was sealed since Indians heavily fortified this sector for any future war.
The Pakistani planners failed to assess that war as an instrument of policy is no longer in vogue at the international level and their temporary military success would only bring greater international censure and a negative war mongering image without any corresponding military gain at the strategic level.
This scribe interviewed a former commander of FCNA and 10 Corps about logistics and General Imtiaz Warraich replied as following :-
"We initiated this operation but failed to support it with comprehensive operational planning and above all buildup for essential logistic support without which no operation can succeed"......'" the principal reason for our heavy casualties and lack of progress was unimaginative and callous logistic operations to support the units".
At one point the sepoys who had volunteered to fight and had come from many other infantry units to the NLI units refused to act as porters carrying supplies over 15 kilometres and were so exasperated that they defied Javed Hassan's personal orders in unit durbars to carry supplies and when Javed Hassn threw his cap on the ground threatened to march over it unless they were not employed as porters ! One such volunteer told this scribe that we had volunteered to fight ,not to act as porters ! The same fact was also mentioned in ISI chief Ziauddin Butt's secret report to Nawaz Sharif prepared by an Engineer officer on Zia's staff in ISI !
The failure to assess the "Enemy" factor was another strategic planning failure at the highest level .I asked General Warraich this question and he stated " Capture of Kargil Heights would totally stop all Indian movement to Leh and Ladakh Sectors unlike Pakistan in Siachen and Indians had no option but to do and die " !
Lust for glory and honour in battle are perfectly reasonable aspirations as long as they are accompanied by commensurate military talent in the generals who are at the helm of affairs ! This was sadly lacking in the Musharraf team who planned the operation. Their egos were many times larger than their real military talent !
By promoting an intensely ambitious man to the rank of army chief Nawaz did a favor which could only be repaid by betrayal ! The plan was based not on sound military reasoning but on burning ambition and an unrealistic desire for glory by men far away from the heat of battle ! No one above major level died , yet in a report to the military secretary's branch Javed Hassan recommended retiring 75 % of officers involved in the operation below colonel level !
The prime minister was not fully briefed because of ulterior motives ! Had the operation succeeded it would have been projected as a proof of Musharraf's Napoleonic brilliance and if it failed as it did Nawaz Sharif would have been made the scapegoat !
The operations planners were distinguished neither by loftiness of thought, nor audacity in the conduct of battle at the operational or strategic level. Thus boldness at tactical level was sacrificed because of operational and tactical timidity at the highest level.
No one appreciated that the army men who were employed , and it is a fiction that there was a single Mujahid in Kargil, had flesh and blood ! These men mourned by a few hundred families were sons husbands fathers and brothers !
The Kargil operation at the military level is a watershed ! Idealism that propelled many hundred to die in those Himalayan wastes is buried for good ! Now there is a new breed which dominates the army ! The ones who aim at going on lush UN second-ments or to KESC,WAPDA or as well paid consultants !
What can one conclude ! It was the human heart that failed in Kargil and this heart which failed was housed in the ribcage of men sitting in the GHQ and not on the rocky pinnacles of Kargil ! Once the supply lines were closed under Indian threat of a counter attack , these brave men all Pakistan Army regulars were abandoned to die, pounded by artillery fire , bayoneted by overwhelming numbers , weakened by starvation ! Who can hear their cries ! Our ears are covered with heaps of lies ! Truth died at Kargil ! What remains is a bodyguard of lies!
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