Ahsan Shahbaz December 10, 2007
#21 Posted by Farjad on December 14, 2007 4:34:41 am
1. In the Jan 2008 elections PPP will be the biggest winner, PML(N) & PML(Q) at 2 and 3. PPP will form the next government by simple majority or by marginal help from smaller parties MQM, JUI(F).
2. This result will outwardly legitimize the elections as PML Q which is the Kings party will be shown not to have won in a supposedly fair elections.This is after all parties privy to the deal work hard to make sure a high voter participation in the elections.
2.BB as PM has agreed to work with Musharraf as Prez and she will control all domestic affairs with Musharraf taking care of US agenda in Pakistan.US will monitor that both sides stick to their part of the deal.
3. Nawaz came with the prior understanding that he personally will not be allowed to take part in the elections and he is therefore sticking to that part of his deal. He may in fact support BB under the garb of restoration of true democracy.PML (N) will be the friendly opposition which will do everything except toppling the government.
4. Provinsial governments: PML(N) Punjab, PPP with MQM sind,PML(q)& JUI(F)NWFP, Balochistan.
4. BB,Nawaz,Mush and the US have come to conclusion that judges will never be restored as a truly free judiciary may prove detrimental to their policies.
5.Fazl U Rehman will be the religious face of the arrangement used to counter those religious parties which oppose this alliance.
6. Imran Khan,JI,lawyers and the real opposition will be provided marginal space to function and the establishment expects this movement to weaken once a new government is formed.
Those who supposedly control our destiny have voted and 160 million Pakistanis will just be completing the formalities in Jan 2007.
Thats why boycott is the best strategy to discredit the whole unholy arrangement.
2. This result will outwardly legitimize the elections as PML Q which is the Kings party will be shown not to have won in a supposedly fair elections.This is after all parties privy to the deal work hard to make sure a high voter participation in the elections.
2.BB as PM has agreed to work with Musharraf as Prez and she will control all domestic affairs with Musharraf taking care of US agenda in Pakistan.US will monitor that both sides stick to their part of the deal.
3. Nawaz came with the prior understanding that he personally will not be allowed to take part in the elections and he is therefore sticking to that part of his deal. He may in fact support BB under the garb of restoration of true democracy.PML (N) will be the friendly opposition which will do everything except toppling the government.
4. Provinsial governments: PML(N) Punjab, PPP with MQM sind,PML(q)& JUI(F)NWFP, Balochistan.
4. BB,Nawaz,Mush and the US have come to conclusion that judges will never be restored as a truly free judiciary may prove detrimental to their policies.
5.Fazl U Rehman will be the religious face of the arrangement used to counter those religious parties which oppose this alliance.
6. Imran Khan,JI,lawyers and the real opposition will be provided marginal space to function and the establishment expects this movement to weaken once a new government is formed.
Those who supposedly control our destiny have voted and 160 million Pakistanis will just be completing the formalities in Jan 2007.
Thats why boycott is the best strategy to discredit the whole unholy arrangement.
#20 Posted by ahsan.shahbaz on December 13, 2007 7:30:00 pm
Re: # 18 econfused ... i agree Nawaz is the lesser evil... but if street movement is effective i would prefer a election boycott from general public that will result in low turnover and it will tell you what people really want..
well author has to interact, it is a learning process for both author and reader.
well author has to interact, it is a learning process for both author and reader.
#19 Posted by econfused on December 13, 2007 9:35:55 am
Glad to see the author in interacts. Last time there was an article from Lota Ahmed Quraishi, he did not dare to respond.
#18 Posted by econfused on December 13, 2007 9:32:46 am
Re #17,
I don't know if recall Ch. Nisar on Capital Talk, but he said PML-N voters are shareef people. They are not Jayalas and not ready to be get beaten up. I still agree, I have seen people who might not go for street protests, as they are scared, but they do sure vote.
Personally, I would prefer to boycott. I will still go for street protests if any. I would also vote for NS, just to make sure PMLQ get the run for their money
I don't know if recall Ch. Nisar on Capital Talk, but he said PML-N voters are shareef people. They are not Jayalas and not ready to be get beaten up. I still agree, I have seen people who might not go for street protests, as they are scared, but they do sure vote.
Personally, I would prefer to boycott. I will still go for street protests if any. I would also vote for NS, just to make sure PMLQ get the run for their money
#17 Posted by ahsan.shahbaz on December 13, 2007 9:22:11 am
Re: # 14 econfused.. regarding wat apdm did to nawaz... he should first ask where was his own Pml - n. Before making such statements we should keep this in mind that only party with street power in punjab is PML-N as far as other parties are concerned their leaders were under house arrest like PMl-N leaders.. there was nothing APDM would have done.
JI has a gloomy past but according to them that was to save useless MMA. Mulanna was the main player... having said that i still don't trust JI and never will...
JI has a gloomy past but according to them that was to save useless MMA. Mulanna was the main player... having said that i still don't trust JI and never will...
#16 Posted by ahsan.shahbaz on December 13, 2007 9:03:28 am
correction
and small parties , passing the*
and small parties , passing the*
#15 Posted by ahsan.shahbaz on December 13, 2007 8:59:14 am
Re: # 12 Nasah in your replies you missed out on several points that i made... We have to decide whether the elections will be "free and fair".... alright we all know elections will be rigged... The point is why boycott is the best option ? .... PPP is Musharraf's B team so is Mulana Fazl ur rehman then we have PML - Q and MQM and small parties etc.
The new parliament will endorse these PCO actions and will e declare it valid, with PPP , PML - Q , MQM , JUI-F and small passing the amendment is piece of cake ... forget that chaudhry's will win with huge majority, then it will be clear that election were rigged.
Bang PCO endorsed !!!
Lets say Nawaz is sitting in opposition then what ? How can he bring back the judges , the parliament will pass that amendment, pml-n will do nothing ??
Now Coming towards the point that I made in my article nawaz is a collaborator...
Why is that Nawaz arrived on the last day of nomination submission, why wasn't he arrested? why is shahbaz sharif was not arrested in Sabzazar Case? There was a ban on public gathering, i didn't see any big crack down in fact nawaz made glorious speeches. In his very first interview on landing he said "hum elections mein bharpoor hisah lain gay" later on he said APDM will decide. Then suddenly the very next day of APDM meeting Shahbaz Sharif said there is internal party pressure to participate?
Musharraf going to saudia arabia , king sending nawaz back and while we are talking about S.A we should remember one little fact, SA's high command is in Washington.
Then came the much expected news that PML - N leadership wants to participate in elections.
Ok lets say "go to hell judges".
coming back to voters, Name one big landmark development in any of PML - N constituencies? thinking still thinking .... keep on thinking. Imran who you call "imranis"... lets look at his constituency achievements, from what i have read and watched i think you heard about Naamal College(i don't know if spelled it right), the technical college(in collaboration with bradford uni england) for poor who can not afford higher education. Plus a chain of free schools with an international organization... that all is that i know abt his achievement... what do i know about PML-N's achievements on constituency level ?
For boycott you have follow principles, politics should be done on principles not for benefits!!
Why is it that judges and lawyers are not happy with Nawaz Sharif ...if he is doing the right thing... why is it that PML-N's Zafar Ali Shah announced that he had withdrawn his candidature for judges and lawyers.. you can search about it... i think news just came...
I hope you are wise enough to analyze the above facts before making your next interact. :D
The new parliament will endorse these PCO actions and will e declare it valid, with PPP , PML - Q , MQM , JUI-F and small passing the amendment is piece of cake ... forget that chaudhry's will win with huge majority, then it will be clear that election were rigged.
Bang PCO endorsed !!!
Lets say Nawaz is sitting in opposition then what ? How can he bring back the judges , the parliament will pass that amendment, pml-n will do nothing ??
Now Coming towards the point that I made in my article nawaz is a collaborator...
Why is that Nawaz arrived on the last day of nomination submission, why wasn't he arrested? why is shahbaz sharif was not arrested in Sabzazar Case? There was a ban on public gathering, i didn't see any big crack down in fact nawaz made glorious speeches. In his very first interview on landing he said "hum elections mein bharpoor hisah lain gay" later on he said APDM will decide. Then suddenly the very next day of APDM meeting Shahbaz Sharif said there is internal party pressure to participate?
Musharraf going to saudia arabia , king sending nawaz back and while we are talking about S.A we should remember one little fact, SA's high command is in Washington.
Then came the much expected news that PML - N leadership wants to participate in elections.
Ok lets say "go to hell judges".
coming back to voters, Name one big landmark development in any of PML - N constituencies? thinking still thinking .... keep on thinking. Imran who you call "imranis"... lets look at his constituency achievements, from what i have read and watched i think you heard about Naamal College(i don't know if spelled it right), the technical college(in collaboration with bradford uni england) for poor who can not afford higher education. Plus a chain of free schools with an international organization... that all is that i know abt his achievement... what do i know about PML-N's achievements on constituency level ?
For boycott you have follow principles, politics should be done on principles not for benefits!!
Why is it that judges and lawyers are not happy with Nawaz Sharif ...if he is doing the right thing... why is it that PML-N's Zafar Ali Shah announced that he had withdrawn his candidature for judges and lawyers.. you can search about it... i think news just came...
I hope you are wise enough to analyze the above facts before making your next interact. :D
#14 Posted by econfused on December 13, 2007 7:20:18 am
I might not like NS decision, but I still think that he made the right decision. He understood what APDM did to him on September 10th. He also saw what JI did to Imran Khan at Punjab University.
One also has to ask if JI is that serious about Judiciary, what it has been waiting for to launch a street movement. We all know and see that JI can organize the best street protests.
JI is playing the B team for Mush, by staying in Drawing rooms. I don't know if author remembers are not, but there were about 25 to 30K people gathered on Nov 3, for their annual meeting. If they wanted, they could have changed history.
So NS might look stupid, he knows, he an still launch a protest after 8th, but he cannot count on I for that.
One also has to ask if JI is that serious about Judiciary, what it has been waiting for to launch a street movement. We all know and see that JI can organize the best street protests.
JI is playing the B team for Mush, by staying in Drawing rooms. I don't know if author remembers are not, but there were about 25 to 30K people gathered on Nov 3, for their annual meeting. If they wanted, they could have changed history.
So NS might look stupid, he knows, he an still launch a protest after 8th, but he cannot count on I for that.
#13 Posted by nasah on December 13, 2007 6:07:59 am
The Naysayers say that if we boycott election en masse -- Musharraf regime will be discredited!
Discredited? -- that regime stands discredited for the past 9 years -- discredited at its inception when it hijacked at gunpoint a civilian government -- it was discredited when the dictator got 'elected' by 90% stuffed votes in referendum -- it got discredited when the dictator fired the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in his army office wearing that stupid army uniform.
It was discredited when the fired CJ was restored by the Supreme Court.
The Mother of all discredits happened -- when the dictator invaded the highest court of his own country -- jailed each and every true judge -- and turned the building into a Servants Quarters for the Executive branch -- more appropriately into a DOG POUND headed by a dog judge named DOGER (definitely a Dog who erred) -- and jailed 7 thousand lawyers and judges in the name of fighting terrorism -- with no functioning Court worth the salt for whole two months post that cultural 'Emergency'.
Who has heard something like this happening to a developed country like Pakistan -- anywhere else -- in these days and age.
Does anybody think Musharraf wanted an election? -- or he was willing to take off his uniform? -- or ready to give up his COAS post?
Musharraf -- to his ultimate father of all discredits -- was forced to peel off his army uniform -- forced to give up his COAS post -- and FORCED to hold the mother of all elections – and we KNOW by whom.
And then the stupid Imaranis would like Pakistani voters to sleep out this election -- and let Musharraf's chilum boys hijack yet another election in broad day light -- for yet another 8 years.
With such stupid friends do Pakistani voters need an enemy of democracy like Musharraf?
Discredited? -- that regime stands discredited for the past 9 years -- discredited at its inception when it hijacked at gunpoint a civilian government -- it was discredited when the dictator got 'elected' by 90% stuffed votes in referendum -- it got discredited when the dictator fired the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in his army office wearing that stupid army uniform.
It was discredited when the fired CJ was restored by the Supreme Court.
The Mother of all discredits happened -- when the dictator invaded the highest court of his own country -- jailed each and every true judge -- and turned the building into a Servants Quarters for the Executive branch -- more appropriately into a DOG POUND headed by a dog judge named DOGER (definitely a Dog who erred) -- and jailed 7 thousand lawyers and judges in the name of fighting terrorism -- with no functioning Court worth the salt for whole two months post that cultural 'Emergency'.
Who has heard something like this happening to a developed country like Pakistan -- anywhere else -- in these days and age.
Does anybody think Musharraf wanted an election? -- or he was willing to take off his uniform? -- or ready to give up his COAS post?
Musharraf -- to his ultimate father of all discredits -- was forced to peel off his army uniform -- forced to give up his COAS post -- and FORCED to hold the mother of all elections – and we KNOW by whom.
And then the stupid Imaranis would like Pakistani voters to sleep out this election -- and let Musharraf's chilum boys hijack yet another election in broad day light -- for yet another 8 years.
With such stupid friends do Pakistani voters need an enemy of democracy like Musharraf?
#12 Posted by nasah on December 12, 2007 9:04:45 pm
Re: # 11
"by boycotting elections Nawaz would have been a HERO in eyes of general public."
my dear Ahsan -- becoming a 'HERO' in the eyes of general public by boycotting the election does 'sound' heart-warming -- but tell me how many votes being called a HERO will deliver Nawaz Sharif from his 'HERO worshiping' public?
If you want a free fair and transparent election then you have to fight the election -- not sit in your drawing room drawing Hitler's moustache on Musharraf's mug -- whatever the odds.
Sitting out the election by the opposition en mass -- will make the election free fair and very transparent – there will be no need for rigging – actually that is the kind of – unopposed, 'free, fair election' -- Madari Musharraf wants for his leashed monkeys.
If you give up and don't fight the election how would you know or claim if the election was rigged?
Imran with a party of one -- can afford that luxury-- not the PML(N). With one of the two largest vote banks in the country, especially in Punjab -- with equally large responsibility to his Pakistani voters in Punjab -- Nawaz Sharif in Punjab -- and Benazir in Sindh -- simply could not in good conscience DENY their voters their RIGHT to vote.
Specially after 9 years of naked one-man uncultured dictatorship! Think about it
"by boycotting elections Nawaz would have been a HERO in eyes of general public."
my dear Ahsan -- becoming a 'HERO' in the eyes of general public by boycotting the election does 'sound' heart-warming -- but tell me how many votes being called a HERO will deliver Nawaz Sharif from his 'HERO worshiping' public?
If you want a free fair and transparent election then you have to fight the election -- not sit in your drawing room drawing Hitler's moustache on Musharraf's mug -- whatever the odds.
Sitting out the election by the opposition en mass -- will make the election free fair and very transparent – there will be no need for rigging – actually that is the kind of – unopposed, 'free, fair election' -- Madari Musharraf wants for his leashed monkeys.
If you give up and don't fight the election how would you know or claim if the election was rigged?
Imran with a party of one -- can afford that luxury-- not the PML(N). With one of the two largest vote banks in the country, especially in Punjab -- with equally large responsibility to his Pakistani voters in Punjab -- Nawaz Sharif in Punjab -- and Benazir in Sindh -- simply could not in good conscience DENY their voters their RIGHT to vote.
Specially after 9 years of naked one-man uncultured dictatorship! Think about it
#11 Posted by ahsan.shahbaz on December 12, 2007 11:58:16 am
Re: # 9 ---- nasah i can understand your excitement about nawaz taking part in elections. A question how can you believe that elections will be "free and fair", lets say with rigged elections Nawaz wins around 30 seats then what? same old story we shout you shout and at end of the day opposition walks out, nothing productive. It was and will be a rubber stamp parliament. look at the bigger picture gods in America want BB and she is talking their language, if Nawaz can please those gods then he will get a few more seats.
by boycotting elections Nawaz would have been a HERO in eyes of general public. He would have discredited these elections. How can you possibly think PML - Q will loose to nawaz?. Why do people make their arguments with an assumption of free and fair elections? Come on Rigging is confirmed.
There is no difference between nawaz and Mulanna. Our politicians have a price, all you have to do is offer them a good deal.
by boycotting elections Nawaz would have been a HERO in eyes of general public. He would have discredited these elections. How can you possibly think PML - Q will loose to nawaz?. Why do people make their arguments with an assumption of free and fair elections? Come on Rigging is confirmed.
There is no difference between nawaz and Mulanna. Our politicians have a price, all you have to do is offer them a good deal.
#10 Posted by scorp_afghan on December 12, 2007 8:59:46 am
Imran Khan - Only hope for sane leadership.
GO IMRAN ...
#9 Posted by nasah on December 11, 2007 10:12:31 pm
"President pledges to cooperate with whoever wins polls:
"I am not a trouble maker" (Musharraf)
"I am not a crook" - either. (Nixon)
"The Q League must be shaking in its pants -- unless heavily rigged their goose is cooked -- and so is Musharraf's".
"I am not a trouble maker" (Musharraf)
"I am not a crook" - either. (Nixon)
"The Q League must be shaking in its pants -- unless heavily rigged their goose is cooked -- and so is Musharraf's".
#8 Posted by nasah on December 11, 2007 7:42:14 pm
"Pakistani politics is a circus full of clowns. Mulana Fazl Ur Rehman and Benazir are from the obedient category of clowns; they will never go against the wishes of their masters."(author)
The king of all clowns is Clown King Musharraf -- he thought that by banning Nawaz Sharif from fighting election he will make him so mad NS will boycott the election -- and hand over the NA to those pathetic turncoat quislings -- as his leashed monkeys for another 5 years -- but Nawaz Sharif was not born yesterday -- that Aap Dumb APDM was an albatross around NS neck -- I am glad NS got rid of those stupid Imrani naysayer Dums and Dummers in a hurry -- and went back to ARD where he really belonged. The Q League must be shaking in its pants -- unless heavily rigged their goose is cooked -- and so is Musharraf's.
Committing hara-kiri for principle is stabbing the principle right in its left ventricle -- something only an organization named AaPDuM can do instead of fighting it out even on an uneven playing field.
The king of all clowns is Clown King Musharraf -- he thought that by banning Nawaz Sharif from fighting election he will make him so mad NS will boycott the election -- and hand over the NA to those pathetic turncoat quislings -- as his leashed monkeys for another 5 years -- but Nawaz Sharif was not born yesterday -- that Aap Dumb APDM was an albatross around NS neck -- I am glad NS got rid of those stupid Imrani naysayer Dums and Dummers in a hurry -- and went back to ARD where he really belonged. The Q League must be shaking in its pants -- unless heavily rigged their goose is cooked -- and so is Musharraf's.
Committing hara-kiri for principle is stabbing the principle right in its left ventricle -- something only an organization named AaPDuM can do instead of fighting it out even on an uneven playing field.
#7 Posted by krashid1961 on December 11, 2007 5:11:07 pm
I think there were 34 parties not 33
Why are you forgetting my party "Justice and freedom Party"
Why are you forgetting my party "Justice and freedom Party"
#6 Posted by tahmed32 on December 11, 2007 1:30:38 pm
GT #3 Well said. Mush is now caught in a pincer movement - between the mainstream parties who called his bluff and are running for elections, and a civil society (lawyers, students, human rights activists, imran khan and oddly enough JI) rejecting any elections without restoration of the Chief Justice.
So - the "oversmart" and lawless ex-general has been painted into a corner.
So - the "oversmart" and lawless ex-general has been painted into a corner.
#5 Posted by GT on December 11, 2007 1:08:16 pm
I need to add a third point.
3. A movement which brought out a nine year old to protest and face the police has to succeed. There is no doubt about it. The question is when.
3. A movement which brought out a nine year old to protest and face the police has to succeed. There is no doubt about it. The question is when.
#4 Posted by pavocavalry on December 11, 2007 1:05:13 pm
Re: # 2---u r 200 % right.
Rather interesting discussion.I wrote an article in Russia's PRAVDA on 25 Sep 2001.This gives some idea of the mindset of the Indo Pak Armies !
Pravda.RU:Main:More in detail
16:20 2001-09-24
A.H.AMIN: THE INDO-PAK ARMIES AND THEIR MERCENARY CALLING
As the adage aptly describes, there is nothing worse than to do the right thing for the wrong reason. We may modify it slightly by rephrasing it as doing the right thing, or the supposedly right thing, for the wrong reason!
The pre-1947 Indian Army was a mercenary army composed of villagers from barren, rain-irrigated areas of India! These mercenaries were employed against their own people right from 1757! The Sepoys (as these mercenaries were called) fought for money just like the Senegalese in French occupied Africa fought for money! These mercenaries comprised many nationalities and religions. They killed the Santhals in Bengal and the Martathas in Central India; they destroyed Tipu Sultan in 1799; they fought against the freedom fighters of 1857 when a greater part of the Hindustani mercenaries rebelled against the British masters! They fought against the Punjabi Sikhs, who later on were enlisted as mercenaries! They fought against the Afghans in three wars during 1839-42, 1878-80, and in 1919. In addition, they fought in countless expeditions in the Trans-Indus Frontier from 1843 to 1946, destroying livestocks, razing villages to the ground, and destroying wells.
Internationally, these mercenaries fought against the Muslim Turks in the First Great War, against the Chinese in the Opium Wars and the Boxer Rebellion, and against the Germans and in the First and Second World Wars: all races that had nothing against India! In short, these men fought for a living against anyone, whether they be Muslim Christian, Buddhist, Indian, Turkish, German, or Chinese for a living! Espirit de Corps was a cleverly coined British ploy to galvanize these mercenaries.
There were exceptions to the mercenary rule. In 1857, the Bengal Army, some three-fourths of which was Hindustani Hindu led by one fourth Hindustani and Ranghar Muslims mostly from cavalry that rebelled against the English East India Company! Unfortunately, India was not a country, and the English Company found eager mercenaries in the northwest! They were eager to loot Delhi and panting to get land grants, Jangi Inams, and many more carrots that the cunning English colonials promised! Opportunism became the rule of Indian society, now known as Indo Pak, whether it was poets, educationists, lawyers, civil servants, or soldiers! The Indians were a defeated people and they thought that the White man was invincible! There were some exceptions to apathy when Sher Ali, a tall, muscular Pathan, stabbed the British Viceroy Mayo in the Andaman Islands in 1872! However, Sher Ali was an exception, and most Indians were far more pragmatic and opportunistic than a Pathan convict in Andamans! Thus, nobody remembers Sher Ali today except the Pashtun Students Federation, where his photograph tops the gallery of heroes! Sher Ali was ,however, an exception, and sycophancy and appeasement remained the cardinal lifescripts of most Indians. Some motivated Pathans of the tribal area minus the more opportunistic people of Mardan Charsadda Swabi Kohat and D.I Khan carried at the struggle that had its origins in Sayyid Ahmad Brelvis guerrilla war.
Then came the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05! The myth of European superiority was broken! Some audacious men, mostly Bengali Hindus, decided to strike back! A bold man called Rash Behari Bose actually attacked the British Viceroy Charles Hardinge with a bomb containing gramophone needles and nails while he was entering Delhi in 1813. Unfortunately, Bihari failed to kill the viceroy. However, terror struck at the heart of the British! Their viceroy was attacked not in far flung Andaman Islands but in the newly created imperial capital Delhi and not by a Wahabi but by a highly educated Bengali Hindu. Rash Bihari escaped, but the Indian Army did not wake up from the slumber of their mercenary sleep.
The First World War was yet another testing ground for the mercenary Indian Army. In the words of one British historian, the Punjabi Muslims stood staunch as a rock while there was a question mark over the Pathans. He did not ,however, add that these disloyal Pathans were not from settled districts of Mardan or Charsadda Kohat or Peshawar but from the tribal areas and from D.I Khan. Some Indian military men were ashamed of their degrading mercenary status and did rebel against the British. Notable among these were the Hindustani Muslim Ranghars of the 5th Light Infantry, who for some time captured Singapore; the Afridis of various Frontier Force Units, notably the indomitable Mir Mast Afridi; and some Mahsuds from the Mahsud Companies of the 129 and 130 Baluchis. Lastly, there were the Pathan Squadrons of Curetons 15 Lancers (the Punjabi Muslim Squadrons remaining pragmatically loyal).
All these men died, but all men are mortal. Is it death that our rulers are afraid of or is it a billion dollar package that will give them immortality? Is collaboration at the rate of few billion the golden lesson that they are leaving for posterity? A pragmatic lesson one must say. One important development took place during the First World War. The Sikh Ghadrites, a group of Punjabis, some Hindus, and mostly Sikhs, did manage to subvert the Indian Army from their mercenary calling. They did not succeed, but many soldiers of scribes unit 23 Cavalry were court martialled and executed for conspiracy against British Empire. On the whole, the Indian Army remained staunch even when martial law was imposed in Punjab in 1919, Gujranwala was bombed, many civilians flogged or made to crawl in the public, and many hundreds of civilians were killed by the army. The only inspiring incident of the Indian Army not being a mercenary force occurred in the 1930s, when the Garhwali Hindus soldiers of a unit of the Royal Garhwal Rifles refused to fire on the Pathan Muslim Redshirts demonstrating against the British. The Indian Army remained largely loyal in WW II, minus the Indian National Army in Burma. By and large, Indian independence had no connection with the Indian Army, who remained loyal mercenaries to the end to their British masters.
In India Nehru reduced the army to its correct place, i.e. a servile instrument of policy of the civilians. In Pakistan, because the Muslim League the political party that led Pakistan, there was an a party of soldiers with a mercenary past, and with nothing to do with the political struggle to free India, they were able to usurp power. Since they were leaders of a mercenary army rather than a national army, they made the USA their godfather, making professions of being the vanguard of the USA, whether it was the protection of Anglo-Iranian Oil Fields or supporting Anglo-French claims over the Suez Canal. In the process of this abject appeasement, they managed an aid package from the USA. This was sufficient to make the Pakistan Army a sophisticated army but insufficient to win a war against India, not because of material reasons, but because of poor higher leadership and strategic and operational ineptness.
All throughout this period, the common Pakistani was anti-US anti-West, pro-Arab, and pro-Muslim. However, the common man was only a servile tool , democracy having been destroyed by 1958. The army remained a mercenary army with little national participation. It fought the 1965 War well, albeit at a battalion level, since beyond the battalion level, the more senior ranks were ones who had been programmed by the pre-1947 British to be company commanders at best. The 1965 War proved to be a watershed in Pakistani history, since it made clear the fact that the army was not a national army , since it was without participation from the country’s east wing! This fact was realized by General Yahya, the new C in C, but it was too late. The result was a civil war followed by defeat in a conventional war and the break up of Pakistan into two states. Few lessons were learnt, and soon, the country’s first post-1946 democratically elected government was dismissed amidst allegations of superpower involvement. The army came with a 90-day promise to hold elections, which were never held. The gap between the people and the army grew, and the situation was saved only by the fact that the Zia military junta found a new master, more correctly a new paymaster, in the USA once the USSR invaded Afghanistan. For next nine years, Pakistan fought the USA’s war against communism, only to be conveniently discarded like an syringe with a decade long life. A syringe used to inject poison into the Red Army and then thrown into the incinerator of history!
Within three years of the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, the USA was all keen to declare Pakistan a terrorist state; the Americans have short memories. Something like an impromptu encounter with a lass in a bar, followed by an expression of eternal love and everything forgotten the next day after the desired objective is achieved.
Suddenly, in September 2001, precisely on the 11th of September, the USA suddenly woke up from a thirteen-year attack of insomnia and remembered that they had a very close friend called Pakistan: cheap friend led by a machine with a mercenary past. Thus, the latest US-Pakistan nexus. What is the motivation of Pakistan’s military elite to appease the USA? They are a bunch of men who came into power in an impromptu manner and suffer from a crisis of legitimacy. Since the end of the Cold War, mercenaries were no longer in demand and Pakistan’s standing army was getting little aid from USA or any potential mercenary masters.
The strikes September, 11th 2001 changed everything! Once again, Pakistan’s elite got a chance that they had last received in 1979. Because they had missed one in the 1990-91 Gulf War, this time they are in no mood to miss another! Their mercenary calling has been given a God-given opportunity! Without any deliberation, the military junta gave the US near divine status and offered their mercenary services against a neighbouring Muslim country. Soon, this stand was rationalized by the military dictator in the name of Pakistan’s best interest; that India would benefit if Pakistan did not go on its knees to appease the Americans; that the Israelis would attack Pakistan; that the USA was lesser of the two evils. Pakistan, the so-called bastion of Islam despite its 500,000 man army and an arsenal of nuclear weapons, is literally crawling in diplomatic language to appease the Americans. If this state created in the name of Islam is so vulnerable, then it should be declared the fifty-first state of the USA. It be a Puerto Rico or Panama with a US military presence. Why all the macho talk about being Momins and soldiers of Allah? Soldiers of Allah who will be doing sentry duty around prospective airfields from where US aircrafts would fly to subject Afghanistan to fire and destruction! If a few billion dollars are so important, then what is the difference between Sepoy Khudadad who fought for 18 Rupees a month in the 1920s for the King and against his enemies? If this country cannot survive without oil imported for free or on a subsidized rate from a neighbouring country, why waste the tax payers' money on a foreign ministry that consumes some 28 crores per day! God may have made us poor, but we became Be Ghairat (Shameless) by our own choice!
There have been too many strange coincidences in the last month. The death of General G.A Khan, the descendant of the indomitable Alizais who defied British orders to fight against the Turks in Mesopotamia 1915 in Mesopotamia. The reader may note that the 15 Lancersso was an all-Muslim unit, but only its less pragmatic Pathan Squadrons refused to fight against the Turks, while the more pragmatic Punjabi Muslim Squadron obeyed orders like sheep. At the time of the blast, Pakistan’s top intelligence official was in USA. The Chinese decided to make a port at Gwadar, which could also be a naval base. The Talibans were close to complete victory in Afghanistan!
The year 2001 is a watershed in Pakistani history. Either Pakistan will be condemned to be a country ruled by mercenaries, or it will became a true republic, an Islamic Republic or whatever one may call it. Are we so weak that one threat from a bully with an average IQ sends our leaders , so-called martial men who wear camouflage commando jackets, a clear and total violation of the army dress code, of the Pakistan army down to their knees? What is the use of a Chinese policy if one ultimatum evaporates all the resolution that our military leaders are supposed to have? It makes one think whether or not the Holy Kaaba is in Mecca or a few thousand miles further West.
To stab your neighbor in order to gain a few billion is being rationalised as pragmatic foreign policy. Even a courtesan called Hazrat Mahal did not collaborate with the British, fighting the war of Independence in Lucknow. She did not surrender even once Lucknow was recaptured in March 1858 and died in exile in Nepal. Pragmatism would have meant accepting a pension that the British offered her and settling in India. However, this dancing girl was not a mercenary!
What has happened? Our rulers have accepted the role of glorified coolies and camp followers of the USA! This country's rulers had sold their souls in 1954 once the first major treaty with USA was signed. After a great deal of kicking during the period of 1990-1999, they regained some pride.The year 2001 has robbed this nation from being a nation of resolute man. We have been auctioned for a few billion dollars. Auctioned because a superpower wants access to the strategic underbelly of Russia and China. Auctioned because of valid strategic reasons. Our leaders have not learnt anything from Machiavelli, whom they do try or claim to read. The men who collaborate with any superior power or play bargaining games with it are the first targets. Thus, the fate of Liaquat in 1951, the fate of Bhutto in 1979, and that of Zia in 1988. We have everything written on the wall. Its only the lack of perception that makes us blind. Even Russia and China will be the losers! This so-called attack will stop on the Oxus River or at the Wakhan Strip. It will spread on into Chinese Turkestan (Sinkiang), Tajikistan, Kazakhastan, and to the Urals. If there is a minor Muslim separatist threat in China or Russia today, after a few years, these separatists will be getting Stingers to fight with until Siberia, Central Asia, Azerbaijan, and Sinkiang are sattellites of the Western powers. The Iranians are secretly rejoicing, but they must not forget that a Sunni Afghanistan is less of a threat than an Afghanistan administered under a US or UN mandate. The Talibans in all probability may be crushed, but Afghan nationalism will survive! Their will be new groups, new Ahmad Shah’s, nd new Hikmatyars who will fight a new Holy war against US occupation with Chinese- and Russian-supplied weapons, such as those from the CIA during 1979-88. The Russians must forget how the USA had behaved when they occupied Afghanistan in 1979. 14,000 Russians died, most because of of weapons supplied to the Afghan resistance by CIA. The USSR must redress the balance of 1979-88 during 2001-10. Let the invaders come and settle down in Kabul and Kandahar and then send gifts of 100 body bags each day to their home country!
Is this country a private security agency that can be hired for a few billion dollars? If that is the case, why not lease our forces to fight as mercenaries as they did before 1947? Never in Pakistani history was collaboration so openly defended and propagated. Even Finland, a country far smaller than Pakistan, fought without US or British aid honorably for a certain duration of time. Are the
Indians such a threat that we have to compete with them in being timid and shameless? The mercenary calling of our state has once again triumphed! The "bastion of Islam" is too weak to withstand one verbal volley of a man who is angry about something that has happened many thousand miles away from this country. To compound things further, we have journalists, thinkers, and so-called experts busy writing articles for Hazoor ka Iqbal Buland Karna!
Opportunism, which was instilled in us by the British in 1757, has once again triumphed! Two countries were created in the name of religionto date,i.e., Israel and Pakistan. Israel has fought for its ideology. Ironically, Pakistan has retained its mercenary character. Wrong, forever on the throne and truth, forever on the Scaffold!
Rather interesting discussion.I wrote an article in Russia's PRAVDA on 25 Sep 2001.This gives some idea of the mindset of the Indo Pak Armies !
Pravda.RU:Main:More in detail
16:20 2001-09-24
A.H.AMIN: THE INDO-PAK ARMIES AND THEIR MERCENARY CALLING
As the adage aptly describes, there is nothing worse than to do the right thing for the wrong reason. We may modify it slightly by rephrasing it as doing the right thing, or the supposedly right thing, for the wrong reason!
The pre-1947 Indian Army was a mercenary army composed of villagers from barren, rain-irrigated areas of India! These mercenaries were employed against their own people right from 1757! The Sepoys (as these mercenaries were called) fought for money just like the Senegalese in French occupied Africa fought for money! These mercenaries comprised many nationalities and religions. They killed the Santhals in Bengal and the Martathas in Central India; they destroyed Tipu Sultan in 1799; they fought against the freedom fighters of 1857 when a greater part of the Hindustani mercenaries rebelled against the British masters! They fought against the Punjabi Sikhs, who later on were enlisted as mercenaries! They fought against the Afghans in three wars during 1839-42, 1878-80, and in 1919. In addition, they fought in countless expeditions in the Trans-Indus Frontier from 1843 to 1946, destroying livestocks, razing villages to the ground, and destroying wells.
Internationally, these mercenaries fought against the Muslim Turks in the First Great War, against the Chinese in the Opium Wars and the Boxer Rebellion, and against the Germans and in the First and Second World Wars: all races that had nothing against India! In short, these men fought for a living against anyone, whether they be Muslim Christian, Buddhist, Indian, Turkish, German, or Chinese for a living! Espirit de Corps was a cleverly coined British ploy to galvanize these mercenaries.
There were exceptions to the mercenary rule. In 1857, the Bengal Army, some three-fourths of which was Hindustani Hindu led by one fourth Hindustani and Ranghar Muslims mostly from cavalry that rebelled against the English East India Company! Unfortunately, India was not a country, and the English Company found eager mercenaries in the northwest! They were eager to loot Delhi and panting to get land grants, Jangi Inams, and many more carrots that the cunning English colonials promised! Opportunism became the rule of Indian society, now known as Indo Pak, whether it was poets, educationists, lawyers, civil servants, or soldiers! The Indians were a defeated people and they thought that the White man was invincible! There were some exceptions to apathy when Sher Ali, a tall, muscular Pathan, stabbed the British Viceroy Mayo in the Andaman Islands in 1872! However, Sher Ali was an exception, and most Indians were far more pragmatic and opportunistic than a Pathan convict in Andamans! Thus, nobody remembers Sher Ali today except the Pashtun Students Federation, where his photograph tops the gallery of heroes! Sher Ali was ,however, an exception, and sycophancy and appeasement remained the cardinal lifescripts of most Indians. Some motivated Pathans of the tribal area minus the more opportunistic people of Mardan Charsadda Swabi Kohat and D.I Khan carried at the struggle that had its origins in Sayyid Ahmad Brelvis guerrilla war.
Then came the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05! The myth of European superiority was broken! Some audacious men, mostly Bengali Hindus, decided to strike back! A bold man called Rash Behari Bose actually attacked the British Viceroy Charles Hardinge with a bomb containing gramophone needles and nails while he was entering Delhi in 1813. Unfortunately, Bihari failed to kill the viceroy. However, terror struck at the heart of the British! Their viceroy was attacked not in far flung Andaman Islands but in the newly created imperial capital Delhi and not by a Wahabi but by a highly educated Bengali Hindu. Rash Bihari escaped, but the Indian Army did not wake up from the slumber of their mercenary sleep.
The First World War was yet another testing ground for the mercenary Indian Army. In the words of one British historian, the Punjabi Muslims stood staunch as a rock while there was a question mark over the Pathans. He did not ,however, add that these disloyal Pathans were not from settled districts of Mardan or Charsadda Kohat or Peshawar but from the tribal areas and from D.I Khan. Some Indian military men were ashamed of their degrading mercenary status and did rebel against the British. Notable among these were the Hindustani Muslim Ranghars of the 5th Light Infantry, who for some time captured Singapore; the Afridis of various Frontier Force Units, notably the indomitable Mir Mast Afridi; and some Mahsuds from the Mahsud Companies of the 129 and 130 Baluchis. Lastly, there were the Pathan Squadrons of Curetons 15 Lancers (the Punjabi Muslim Squadrons remaining pragmatically loyal).
All these men died, but all men are mortal. Is it death that our rulers are afraid of or is it a billion dollar package that will give them immortality? Is collaboration at the rate of few billion the golden lesson that they are leaving for posterity? A pragmatic lesson one must say. One important development took place during the First World War. The Sikh Ghadrites, a group of Punjabis, some Hindus, and mostly Sikhs, did manage to subvert the Indian Army from their mercenary calling. They did not succeed, but many soldiers of scribes unit 23 Cavalry were court martialled and executed for conspiracy against British Empire. On the whole, the Indian Army remained staunch even when martial law was imposed in Punjab in 1919, Gujranwala was bombed, many civilians flogged or made to crawl in the public, and many hundreds of civilians were killed by the army. The only inspiring incident of the Indian Army not being a mercenary force occurred in the 1930s, when the Garhwali Hindus soldiers of a unit of the Royal Garhwal Rifles refused to fire on the Pathan Muslim Redshirts demonstrating against the British. The Indian Army remained largely loyal in WW II, minus the Indian National Army in Burma. By and large, Indian independence had no connection with the Indian Army, who remained loyal mercenaries to the end to their British masters.
In India Nehru reduced the army to its correct place, i.e. a servile instrument of policy of the civilians. In Pakistan, because the Muslim League the political party that led Pakistan, there was an a party of soldiers with a mercenary past, and with nothing to do with the political struggle to free India, they were able to usurp power. Since they were leaders of a mercenary army rather than a national army, they made the USA their godfather, making professions of being the vanguard of the USA, whether it was the protection of Anglo-Iranian Oil Fields or supporting Anglo-French claims over the Suez Canal. In the process of this abject appeasement, they managed an aid package from the USA. This was sufficient to make the Pakistan Army a sophisticated army but insufficient to win a war against India, not because of material reasons, but because of poor higher leadership and strategic and operational ineptness.
All throughout this period, the common Pakistani was anti-US anti-West, pro-Arab, and pro-Muslim. However, the common man was only a servile tool , democracy having been destroyed by 1958. The army remained a mercenary army with little national participation. It fought the 1965 War well, albeit at a battalion level, since beyond the battalion level, the more senior ranks were ones who had been programmed by the pre-1947 British to be company commanders at best. The 1965 War proved to be a watershed in Pakistani history, since it made clear the fact that the army was not a national army , since it was without participation from the country’s east wing! This fact was realized by General Yahya, the new C in C, but it was too late. The result was a civil war followed by defeat in a conventional war and the break up of Pakistan into two states. Few lessons were learnt, and soon, the country’s first post-1946 democratically elected government was dismissed amidst allegations of superpower involvement. The army came with a 90-day promise to hold elections, which were never held. The gap between the people and the army grew, and the situation was saved only by the fact that the Zia military junta found a new master, more correctly a new paymaster, in the USA once the USSR invaded Afghanistan. For next nine years, Pakistan fought the USA’s war against communism, only to be conveniently discarded like an syringe with a decade long life. A syringe used to inject poison into the Red Army and then thrown into the incinerator of history!
Within three years of the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, the USA was all keen to declare Pakistan a terrorist state; the Americans have short memories. Something like an impromptu encounter with a lass in a bar, followed by an expression of eternal love and everything forgotten the next day after the desired objective is achieved.
Suddenly, in September 2001, precisely on the 11th of September, the USA suddenly woke up from a thirteen-year attack of insomnia and remembered that they had a very close friend called Pakistan: cheap friend led by a machine with a mercenary past. Thus, the latest US-Pakistan nexus. What is the motivation of Pakistan’s military elite to appease the USA? They are a bunch of men who came into power in an impromptu manner and suffer from a crisis of legitimacy. Since the end of the Cold War, mercenaries were no longer in demand and Pakistan’s standing army was getting little aid from USA or any potential mercenary masters.
The strikes September, 11th 2001 changed everything! Once again, Pakistan’s elite got a chance that they had last received in 1979. Because they had missed one in the 1990-91 Gulf War, this time they are in no mood to miss another! Their mercenary calling has been given a God-given opportunity! Without any deliberation, the military junta gave the US near divine status and offered their mercenary services against a neighbouring Muslim country. Soon, this stand was rationalized by the military dictator in the name of Pakistan’s best interest; that India would benefit if Pakistan did not go on its knees to appease the Americans; that the Israelis would attack Pakistan; that the USA was lesser of the two evils. Pakistan, the so-called bastion of Islam despite its 500,000 man army and an arsenal of nuclear weapons, is literally crawling in diplomatic language to appease the Americans. If this state created in the name of Islam is so vulnerable, then it should be declared the fifty-first state of the USA. It be a Puerto Rico or Panama with a US military presence. Why all the macho talk about being Momins and soldiers of Allah? Soldiers of Allah who will be doing sentry duty around prospective airfields from where US aircrafts would fly to subject Afghanistan to fire and destruction! If a few billion dollars are so important, then what is the difference between Sepoy Khudadad who fought for 18 Rupees a month in the 1920s for the King and against his enemies? If this country cannot survive without oil imported for free or on a subsidized rate from a neighbouring country, why waste the tax payers' money on a foreign ministry that consumes some 28 crores per day! God may have made us poor, but we became Be Ghairat (Shameless) by our own choice!
There have been too many strange coincidences in the last month. The death of General G.A Khan, the descendant of the indomitable Alizais who defied British orders to fight against the Turks in Mesopotamia 1915 in Mesopotamia. The reader may note that the 15 Lancersso was an all-Muslim unit, but only its less pragmatic Pathan Squadrons refused to fight against the Turks, while the more pragmatic Punjabi Muslim Squadron obeyed orders like sheep. At the time of the blast, Pakistan’s top intelligence official was in USA. The Chinese decided to make a port at Gwadar, which could also be a naval base. The Talibans were close to complete victory in Afghanistan!
The year 2001 is a watershed in Pakistani history. Either Pakistan will be condemned to be a country ruled by mercenaries, or it will became a true republic, an Islamic Republic or whatever one may call it. Are we so weak that one threat from a bully with an average IQ sends our leaders , so-called martial men who wear camouflage commando jackets, a clear and total violation of the army dress code, of the Pakistan army down to their knees? What is the use of a Chinese policy if one ultimatum evaporates all the resolution that our military leaders are supposed to have? It makes one think whether or not the Holy Kaaba is in Mecca or a few thousand miles further West.
To stab your neighbor in order to gain a few billion is being rationalised as pragmatic foreign policy. Even a courtesan called Hazrat Mahal did not collaborate with the British, fighting the war of Independence in Lucknow. She did not surrender even once Lucknow was recaptured in March 1858 and died in exile in Nepal. Pragmatism would have meant accepting a pension that the British offered her and settling in India. However, this dancing girl was not a mercenary!
What has happened? Our rulers have accepted the role of glorified coolies and camp followers of the USA! This country's rulers had sold their souls in 1954 once the first major treaty with USA was signed. After a great deal of kicking during the period of 1990-1999, they regained some pride.The year 2001 has robbed this nation from being a nation of resolute man. We have been auctioned for a few billion dollars. Auctioned because a superpower wants access to the strategic underbelly of Russia and China. Auctioned because of valid strategic reasons. Our leaders have not learnt anything from Machiavelli, whom they do try or claim to read. The men who collaborate with any superior power or play bargaining games with it are the first targets. Thus, the fate of Liaquat in 1951, the fate of Bhutto in 1979, and that of Zia in 1988. We have everything written on the wall. Its only the lack of perception that makes us blind. Even Russia and China will be the losers! This so-called attack will stop on the Oxus River or at the Wakhan Strip. It will spread on into Chinese Turkestan (Sinkiang), Tajikistan, Kazakhastan, and to the Urals. If there is a minor Muslim separatist threat in China or Russia today, after a few years, these separatists will be getting Stingers to fight with until Siberia, Central Asia, Azerbaijan, and Sinkiang are sattellites of the Western powers. The Iranians are secretly rejoicing, but they must not forget that a Sunni Afghanistan is less of a threat than an Afghanistan administered under a US or UN mandate. The Talibans in all probability may be crushed, but Afghan nationalism will survive! Their will be new groups, new Ahmad Shah’s, nd new Hikmatyars who will fight a new Holy war against US occupation with Chinese- and Russian-supplied weapons, such as those from the CIA during 1979-88. The Russians must forget how the USA had behaved when they occupied Afghanistan in 1979. 14,000 Russians died, most because of of weapons supplied to the Afghan resistance by CIA. The USSR must redress the balance of 1979-88 during 2001-10. Let the invaders come and settle down in Kabul and Kandahar and then send gifts of 100 body bags each day to their home country!
Is this country a private security agency that can be hired for a few billion dollars? If that is the case, why not lease our forces to fight as mercenaries as they did before 1947? Never in Pakistani history was collaboration so openly defended and propagated. Even Finland, a country far smaller than Pakistan, fought without US or British aid honorably for a certain duration of time. Are the
Indians such a threat that we have to compete with them in being timid and shameless? The mercenary calling of our state has once again triumphed! The "bastion of Islam" is too weak to withstand one verbal volley of a man who is angry about something that has happened many thousand miles away from this country. To compound things further, we have journalists, thinkers, and so-called experts busy writing articles for Hazoor ka Iqbal Buland Karna!
Opportunism, which was instilled in us by the British in 1757, has once again triumphed! Two countries were created in the name of religionto date,i.e., Israel and Pakistan. Israel has fought for its ideology. Ironically, Pakistan has retained its mercenary character. Wrong, forever on the throne and truth, forever on the Scaffold!
#3 Posted by GT on December 11, 2007 1:05:11 pm
Shahbaz,
Two points:
1. Stop blaming politicians, faujis etc. They simply reflect the society that allows them to breed.
2. Look at the good side. Imran Khan and co. are emerging as leaders taking the difficult path. A path that in all probability is going to fail. But a path, nevertheless, which will inspire the present and future generations to keep fighting for democracy. The chaff is being separated from the grain. This is good news for Pakistan and there is no need to despair.
Two points:
1. Stop blaming politicians, faujis etc. They simply reflect the society that allows them to breed.
2. Look at the good side. Imran Khan and co. are emerging as leaders taking the difficult path. A path that in all probability is going to fail. But a path, nevertheless, which will inspire the present and future generations to keep fighting for democracy. The chaff is being separated from the grain. This is good news for Pakistan and there is no need to despair.
#2 Posted by Urstruly on December 11, 2007 12:33:33 pm
I have said it many times before that there is corrupt, pro-western, ruling elite that has their fangs dug deep into the society in Pakistan. We are not going anywhere unless we get rid of these parasites first. The existential schism in our society not only exists but it is widening everyday. What I refer to as "corrupt ruling eilte" and "East India Company ki naajaiz aulaad" is not a class of people defined by their social or financial status but it is a mindset. I always quote the example of Jalianwala bagh tragedy where hundereds of unarmed people were massacred in a political rally and 95% of those who fired the machine guns on them were none other but the same people who were being massacred. Those soldiers were mindlessly murdering their fellow brethern to please their masters without any remorse or second thought. Same thing was repeated when Khaksaars were massacred in Lahore in 1940. So what is that mindset that turns one against ones own fellow brethern. It is the mindset that was drilled into some of us at genetic level by East India Company. That is the raeson you see no remorse on genocide in East Pakistan or the massacre of school children in Islamabad by many among us. There is no second thought why army of this country is bombing its own citizens using airforce and why political leadrs openly invite enemies to attack our territories and kill our own fellow citizens. I mean what kind of low life one has to be to stoop that low?
People ask me why I call them harami? Look at what NS just did. He lands his plane and first thing he does is legitimizes the military dictatorship by submitting his election petition and now he has plainly refused to boycott these sham elections. See, this class will do anything to preserve and strengthen the status quo of corruption, indignity, and vassalage. They just change faces from time to time. As I said, it is a mindset and not a social class in the commie sense of the word; this social class has members from all walks of life - moulvis, foujis, bureaucrats, feudals, industrialsits, and politicians. Similarly, those who are fighting for the freedom of our country have a differnt mindest- and among them are moulvis, foujis, bureaucrats, feudals, industrialsits, and politicians. Its the mindset that has created an unbridgeable schism in the society. The former group has repressed the country with their corruption too long. They have brought the country at the brink of being a failed state. they have corrupted and destroyed every single institution in this country. A time is finally upon us that their corruption and heartlessness is about to destroy us all. This is the law of nature. The corrupt, weak, and inefficient can never fight the fight of the survival of the fittest. They will be eliminated.
People ask me why I call them harami? Look at what NS just did. He lands his plane and first thing he does is legitimizes the military dictatorship by submitting his election petition and now he has plainly refused to boycott these sham elections. See, this class will do anything to preserve and strengthen the status quo of corruption, indignity, and vassalage. They just change faces from time to time. As I said, it is a mindset and not a social class in the commie sense of the word; this social class has members from all walks of life - moulvis, foujis, bureaucrats, feudals, industrialsits, and politicians. Similarly, those who are fighting for the freedom of our country have a differnt mindest- and among them are moulvis, foujis, bureaucrats, feudals, industrialsits, and politicians. Its the mindset that has created an unbridgeable schism in the society. The former group has repressed the country with their corruption too long. They have brought the country at the brink of being a failed state. they have corrupted and destroyed every single institution in this country. A time is finally upon us that their corruption and heartlessness is about to destroy us all. This is the law of nature. The corrupt, weak, and inefficient can never fight the fight of the survival of the fittest. They will be eliminated.
#1 Posted by rf786 on December 11, 2007 12:00:25 pm
Dear bitter yet moronic writer,
Thank you for providing some comical relief.
Only jokers in this pack are the idiot hijra's boycotting the election.
Thank you for providing some comical relief.
Only jokers in this pack are the idiot hijra's boycotting the election.
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