Riaz Jafri December 11, 2007
#87 Posted by pavocavalry on December 18, 2007 10:26:17 am
Re: # 86 Mohtaram you are right . When I wrote in 1998 perhaps the situation was not as bad.Now our so called leaders are pointer dogs of usa.
#86 Posted by Urstruly on December 18, 2007 10:14:00 am
And in another of his article:The impact of 1857-59.... Pavo writes:
The Pakistanis have only two options today, either to destroy the class of army generals, civil servants, intelligence agencies, industrialists and landlords who have been making a fool out of the common man in the name of Islam etc. etc. or let the five or six nationalities on their own taking care of themselves. This farce in the name of religion cannot go on.
I would say that it is not even a choice anymore. It is an inevitability.
The Pakistanis have only two options today, either to destroy the class of army generals, civil servants, intelligence agencies, industrialists and landlords who have been making a fool out of the common man in the name of Islam etc. etc. or let the five or six nationalities on their own taking care of themselves. This farce in the name of religion cannot go on.
I would say that it is not even a choice anymore. It is an inevitability.
#84 Posted by pavocavalry on December 18, 2007 10:10:49 am
Re: # 82- Zeemax , thanks for reading and understanding.Many guys on this site brand you as this or that without even reading what you wrote.
#83 Posted by Urstruly on December 18, 2007 10:08:56 am
Re: # 82
That is a very insightful article by Pavocavlary. Here is the crux of all arguments:
We have too many educated people, many driving taxis and many doing petty jobs to make the ends meet! Pakistan's problem is that it is still ruled by the descendants of the same class that collaborated with the British in 1857 and from 1857 to 1947 , whether they are Lehgaris, Noons, Tiwanas, Syeds, Bhuttos or any one that matters ! The army that rules Pakistan was essentially a British recruited mercenary force which was staunchly loyal to the British whether fighting against Muslims in 1857, in the pre 1947 tribal areas, at Jallianwalla Bagh and now to the Americans in Afghanistan or Iraq! If Sepoy Jahan Khan could be hired for seven rupees a month, today the Americans can hire this army for may be 1,000/- USD per month!
Good job Pavo.
That is a very insightful article by Pavocavlary. Here is the crux of all arguments:
We have too many educated people, many driving taxis and many doing petty jobs to make the ends meet! Pakistan's problem is that it is still ruled by the descendants of the same class that collaborated with the British in 1857 and from 1857 to 1947 , whether they are Lehgaris, Noons, Tiwanas, Syeds, Bhuttos or any one that matters ! The army that rules Pakistan was essentially a British recruited mercenary force which was staunchly loyal to the British whether fighting against Muslims in 1857, in the pre 1947 tribal areas, at Jallianwalla Bagh and now to the Americans in Afghanistan or Iraq! If Sepoy Jahan Khan could be hired for seven rupees a month, today the Americans can hire this army for may be 1,000/- USD per month!
Good job Pavo.
#82 Posted by zeemax on December 18, 2007 9:49:12 am
Borrowing this thread:
Pavocavlry's iLog as below belongs on FP.
"Musharraf Sir Syed and appeasing the West"
Syed Ahmed Khan (I don't call him Sir) had proclaimed himself in a letter to the Viceroy to be a dog at the feet of the British.
That indeed, he was.
Pavocavlry's iLog as below belongs on FP.
"Musharraf Sir Syed and appeasing the West"
Syed Ahmed Khan (I don't call him Sir) had proclaimed himself in a letter to the Viceroy to be a dog at the feet of the British.
That indeed, he was.
#81 Posted by harish_hyd on December 18, 2007 1:18:45 am
Thanks yaar VRV..the pics are nice. I would love to visit the place some day.
#80 Posted by VRV on December 18, 2007 1:15:00 am
http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/hingol_2005/group_photo_6.html
Boyz and Gaals mix freely in Balochistan/Sindh. It's almost like India :)
Boyz and Gaals mix freely in Balochistan/Sindh. It's almost like India :)
#79 Posted by VRV on December 18, 2007 1:11:10 am
Harish,
U can 'see' the Hingol temple in this link. If u remember Jaswant Singh and his BJP team went on pilgrimage.
http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/hingol_2005/
U can 'see' the Hingol temple in this link. If u remember Jaswant Singh and his BJP team went on pilgrimage.
http://offroadpakistan.com/pictures/hingol_2005/
#78 Posted by harish_hyd on December 18, 2007 12:45:54 am
Yaar Tigram, thanks for the information. How are Hindus treated in general in Pakistan? We know a little from media reports, but I would love to hear directly from you.
#77 Posted by Tigram on December 18, 2007 12:27:02 am
the baloch generally hate the pakistani punjabi-hindustani establishment.lets have simultaneous plebiscites in kashmir and balochistan i would say !
#76 Posted by Tigram on December 18, 2007 12:25:35 am
there are large number of hindus in sindh and balochistan.leading hindu family kureja prominnt in gulf is from Kandahar.intermarriage is among hindus.the holiest hindu site Hinglaj is in Makran as u know.Language depends on area.My father spoke Balochi while i can understand pashto and I speak urdu and farsi.
#75 Posted by majumdar on December 17, 2007 10:49:35 pm
Tigram,
A little bit about Baloch Hindus wud be much appreciated. What language do they speak at home and at work? What do they look like-(relatively) tall and fair like Pushtoons and Baloch or dark skinned like Indian Hanuds? Who do they intermarry with? Any large scale migration to India, Gulf or West? Relationship with local Muslim communities?Voting preferences? Caste system? Loyalty to Pakistan?
Regards
Regards
A little bit about Baloch Hindus wud be much appreciated. What language do they speak at home and at work? What do they look like-(relatively) tall and fair like Pushtoons and Baloch or dark skinned like Indian Hanuds? Who do they intermarry with? Any large scale migration to India, Gulf or West? Relationship with local Muslim communities?Voting preferences? Caste system? Loyalty to Pakistan?
Regards
Regards
#74 Posted by Tigram on December 17, 2007 10:27:02 pm
Re: # 73 since all u know all guys are ignorant , please note that there are Hindus in Balochistan , they are mostly Munshis of all major Baloch Sardars or they have business like pansari or selling liquor as my family did in Dalbandin.We migrated to Karachi.We have some relatives in Kandahar,Kabul and Dubai also.
#73 Posted by majumdar on December 17, 2007 10:12:01 pm
Harishbhai,
(Yaar Tigram you're a Baloch and a Hindu at that? Never seen one before on Chowk. )
Precisely my feelings- a Baloch Hindu is a completely new and unknown animal to all of us!!! (LOL)
Regards
(Yaar Tigram you're a Baloch and a Hindu at that? Never seen one before on Chowk. )
Precisely my feelings- a Baloch Hindu is a completely new and unknown animal to all of us!!! (LOL)
Regards
#72 Posted by Tigram on December 17, 2007 9:42:45 pm
Re: # 71 Ram Ram to all - HP u r just a prick , intellectually zero , an agent provocateur of some shit army agency,a man of limited perception , learn to keep ur tramp shut.i think u seem to know quetta jihadis quite well,may be some intimate experience u had with that qaum of the ancient arab looot .
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