Tahir Qazi December 15, 2007
#1 Posted by scorp_afghan on December 15, 2007 11:43:45 pm
Islam and Hijab-Murder in Canada - It has nothing to do with
Islam.
IDIOTS
Islam.
IDIOTS
#2 Posted by hurricane on December 15, 2007 11:52:34 pm
Tahir Sahib,
First, I was saddened to hear about this girl. This savage man who called herself the father, should be put away in jail for life.
Secondly, I feel that your article is that of a western apologist of Islam and Muslims. You belong squarely in the Irshad Manji group. Sorry no dice. Such broad generealizations, as you have made, are illogical.
So if someone commits murder, should we not examine thier religion, and say gee I wonder why so many catholics are committing murder.
First, I was saddened to hear about this girl. This savage man who called herself the father, should be put away in jail for life.
Secondly, I feel that your article is that of a western apologist of Islam and Muslims. You belong squarely in the Irshad Manji group. Sorry no dice. Such broad generealizations, as you have made, are illogical.
So if someone commits murder, should we not examine thier religion, and say gee I wonder why so many catholics are committing murder.
#3 Posted by hurricane on December 15, 2007 11:54:23 pm
And is it not missassauga where a sikh man strangled his daughter and killed her for dating a white guy?
hmmm....maybe missassuagans do not exist in a vaccum...must be these damn missassaugans.
please, let your puny brain rest.
hmmm....maybe missassuagans do not exist in a vaccum...must be these damn missassaugans.
please, let your puny brain rest.
#4 Posted by rashid_s on December 16, 2007 12:43:08 am
“If religion does not subscribe to hijab then its time to tell mullah to stop sermonizing virtues of that tiny piece of head-cover; if culture imposes it onto only one gender of society, it is sexism and gender discrimination – Stop it”.Agreed, but:
If it was so easy to tell the Religious Brigade to Stop it, and correct their heinous mindset, it would have not lasted a millennia for the falsehood to persist. Neither it is the case of the ‘Muslim apologetics’ being incorrect to claim that covering of the hair on the head, let alone the entire face and body with Burqa and Neqaab, is NOT the requirement of Quran.
This is an obvious case of complete IGNORANCE and misrepresentation of the teaching of THE BOOK on the part of those who believe that it is Islamic. Keep Islam out of it for Islam is not a religion! ignorance even in Islam is not an excuse.
Here are a few examples where Hijab is referred to in Quran, which the Brigade and those women who ACCEPT it as being a mode of advertising their religious VIRTUE( 107-6) should open the Book to find out for themselves:
1. The seven places the word hijab(7-46,17-45,19-17,33-53,38-52,41-5,42-51) occurs in Quran, it alludes to the aura of separation, the protocol, decorum, barrier etc. For example, God spoke to Rusul from behind a Hijab, there was a hijab between the people in hell and the people in heaven etc. The political metaphors of ‘Iron’ and ‘Bamboo’ curtains of the old are examples, without the physical curtain.
2. Within the Code of Islam, the responsibility of not only dressing modestly but, behaving correctly, falls EQUALY on Muslim male and female4-124 gender. In fact the Male24-31,32 is addressed first in the verses. In most man made ‘religions’ it is the female who carries all the responsibility of the male’s morality and his sins!(Remember Amina Lawal and Sofia of Nigeria?- and many cases in NWF )
3. Showiness and overt display24-31 of one’s piety 107-6 is frowned upon in the Book. It is this last aspect, when examined critically by us, irks Religious Brigade for their “religion” and their “piety” is being questioned.
4. Islam prescribes CODE of dress and not a MODE of dress. Every decent dress, creating that aura of modesty and decorum-- that curtain without a curtain; both for men and women is an Islamic dress irrespective of cultural differences and styles.Hijab is a style not a Statement.
5. Dress should be such as not to draw attention to your self so as be not be molested 33-59. ( On the Subcontinent, males brazenly molest ladies in streets, what ever the dress! This is confirmed in the book ‘the Holy Cow’ by an Australian author.)
So it is a case of EDUCATION of the ignorants and DESTROYING the strangle hold of the lucrative business of an industry called the Churches of Muslims.
But a Murder is a Murder and heinous act in any society and should be condemned roundly by all Muslims of the world.
Rashid
If it was so easy to tell the Religious Brigade to Stop it, and correct their heinous mindset, it would have not lasted a millennia for the falsehood to persist. Neither it is the case of the ‘Muslim apologetics’ being incorrect to claim that covering of the hair on the head, let alone the entire face and body with Burqa and Neqaab, is NOT the requirement of Quran.
This is an obvious case of complete IGNORANCE and misrepresentation of the teaching of THE BOOK on the part of those who believe that it is Islamic. Keep Islam out of it for Islam is not a religion! ignorance even in Islam is not an excuse.
Here are a few examples where Hijab is referred to in Quran, which the Brigade and those women who ACCEPT it as being a mode of advertising their religious VIRTUE( 107-6) should open the Book to find out for themselves:
1. The seven places the word hijab(7-46,17-45,19-17,33-53,38-52,41-5,42-51) occurs in Quran, it alludes to the aura of separation, the protocol, decorum, barrier etc. For example, God spoke to Rusul from behind a Hijab, there was a hijab between the people in hell and the people in heaven etc. The political metaphors of ‘Iron’ and ‘Bamboo’ curtains of the old are examples, without the physical curtain.
2. Within the Code of Islam, the responsibility of not only dressing modestly but, behaving correctly, falls EQUALY on Muslim male and female4-124 gender. In fact the Male24-31,32 is addressed first in the verses. In most man made ‘religions’ it is the female who carries all the responsibility of the male’s morality and his sins!(Remember Amina Lawal and Sofia of Nigeria?- and many cases in NWF )
3. Showiness and overt display24-31 of one’s piety 107-6 is frowned upon in the Book. It is this last aspect, when examined critically by us, irks Religious Brigade for their “religion” and their “piety” is being questioned.
4. Islam prescribes CODE of dress and not a MODE of dress. Every decent dress, creating that aura of modesty and decorum-- that curtain without a curtain; both for men and women is an Islamic dress irrespective of cultural differences and styles.Hijab is a style not a Statement.
5. Dress should be such as not to draw attention to your self so as be not be molested 33-59. ( On the Subcontinent, males brazenly molest ladies in streets, what ever the dress! This is confirmed in the book ‘the Holy Cow’ by an Australian author.)
So it is a case of EDUCATION of the ignorants and DESTROYING the strangle hold of the lucrative business of an industry called the Churches of Muslims.
But a Murder is a Murder and heinous act in any society and should be condemned roundly by all Muslims of the world.
Rashid
#5 Posted by zeemax on December 16, 2007 4:37:31 am
It was not over Hijab. It was over her promiscuous behaviour and having run away from home and the family's anger over that.
Not that it was justified, but let's keep things in the correct perspective.
Not that it was justified, but let's keep things in the correct perspective.
#6 Posted by hamidm2 on December 16, 2007 6:10:38 am
"Anybody who behaves like this is a criminal and is not a Muslim" ......... i am sorry, but this is not true - this type of crime is a muslim trait and there is only one solution: muslims, like pedophiles, should not be allowed to have children .........
#7 Posted by nasah on December 16, 2007 6:35:49 am
What did I say -- we Muslims are a wierd community -- thrown by the wildebeast like migration pressure from our dark caves of Tora Bora -- to among the civilized bewildred communtities of the world -- that is asking who are these people and from where they are coming?
Yes -- We are the ultimate alien creatures -- with our grotesques cultural/moral values of our celeberated Ahade-e Jahiliya still alive and kicking -- just emerging from the caves of Tora Bora suddenly into this modern world.
Yes we are modernizing our 'bedouine culture' -- we are no longer burying the girls alive as soon as they are born -- we are letting them grow before choking them to death with our bare hands -- for 'her promiscuous behavior' -- and then burying them dead.
There is a curse of God on this blind and deaf upside-down community of ours.
Yes -- We are the ultimate alien creatures -- with our grotesques cultural/moral values of our celeberated Ahade-e Jahiliya still alive and kicking -- just emerging from the caves of Tora Bora suddenly into this modern world.
Yes we are modernizing our 'bedouine culture' -- we are no longer burying the girls alive as soon as they are born -- we are letting them grow before choking them to death with our bare hands -- for 'her promiscuous behavior' -- and then burying them dead.
There is a curse of God on this blind and deaf upside-down community of ours.
#8 Posted by zeemax on December 16, 2007 7:05:29 am
Again Islam under attack ...
Kanjars will never give up.
Anyone heard of people in the US who microwave their babies?
It must be the Americans belief to do that.
Kanjars will never give up.
Anyone heard of people in the US who microwave their babies?
It must be the Americans belief to do that.
#9 Posted by hamidm2 on December 16, 2007 7:09:01 am
Re: # 5
zeemax,
this is precious - the ultimate justification for bedouin behaviour ! .............. "It was not over Hijab. It was over her promiscuous behaviour and having run away from home and the family's anger over that."
..... maybe we should also kill little boys for spanking the monkey or choking the chicken !
zeemax,
this is precious - the ultimate justification for bedouin behaviour ! .............. "It was not over Hijab. It was over her promiscuous behaviour and having run away from home and the family's anger over that."
..... maybe we should also kill little boys for spanking the monkey or choking the chicken !
#10 Posted by FakirIppi on December 16, 2007 7:21:08 am
# 9)Tum ko ghairat ka nahin patta....what kind of kuffar u people are....christians are planning to destroy all Muslims and u visa seeker hollow so called liberals like hamid m 2 and hp are talking nonsense.
#11 Posted by FakirIppi on December 16, 2007 7:22:18 am
this is whats happening to so called liberals in west...they are getting laid and father is supposed to be liberal
#12 Posted by zeemax on December 16, 2007 7:22:32 am
#9 Posted by hamidm2,
Hamidm why do you always twist my words? I never said that.
What I said was that the anger was not over her not wearing a Hijab. It was over her promiscuity. She ran away from home and her father (allegedly, yet to be proven) killed her for that. If he did, It was cultural family pride which happens in all primitive mindsets, and nothing to do with Islam.
Hamidm why do you always twist my words? I never said that.
What I said was that the anger was not over her not wearing a Hijab. It was over her promiscuity. She ran away from home and her father (allegedly, yet to be proven) killed her for that. If he did, It was cultural family pride which happens in all primitive mindsets, and nothing to do with Islam.
#13 Posted by zeemax on December 16, 2007 7:26:58 am
FakirIppi,
Well .. these visa seekers do not mind their daughters sleeping around ... (they want to integrate) ... which even the indigenous people of their adopted homes discourage. But the indigenous people don't kill their daughters for it. Desis can go pretty ballistic over it I guess.
Well .. these visa seekers do not mind their daughters sleeping around ... (they want to integrate) ... which even the indigenous people of their adopted homes discourage. But the indigenous people don't kill their daughters for it. Desis can go pretty ballistic over it I guess.
#14 Posted by hamidm2 on December 16, 2007 7:28:36 am
Re: # 12
zeemax,
... ?? ... "It was over her promiscuity." ... where did you hear that ? ...... running away from oppressive parents, not wearing the hijab or talking to boys does not equate to 'promiscuity' ....... in the closed and dirty minds of practicing muslims it does, but that does not make it right ......
zeemax,
... ?? ... "It was over her promiscuity." ... where did you hear that ? ...... running away from oppressive parents, not wearing the hijab or talking to boys does not equate to 'promiscuity' ....... in the closed and dirty minds of practicing muslims it does, but that does not make it right ......
#15 Posted by aslam644 on December 16, 2007 7:34:17 am
Canadian social services are at fault for not protecting this young girl, if she had ran away from home it was obvious she was experiencing problems with her family, what ever they were.
#16 Posted by zeemax on December 16, 2007 7:36:07 am
#14 Posted by hamidm2,
She didn't run away from home because she didn't want to wear the hijab. She ran away because she wanted to be with her canadian boyfriends. Read all the reports on the incidence.
She didn't run away from home because she didn't want to wear the hijab. She ran away because she wanted to be with her canadian boyfriends. Read all the reports on the incidence.
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