Death of Aqsa Pervez: A reflection on Canadian Muslim-Pakistanis

Canada is strange country, too cold for people who have lived in warm sunfilled with warm air. It high time why people go crazy should be investigated by cadada govt and place blame on poor people or poor countries , also needs to have commission to stop oppression dark and brown people . Also venerable young women by crazy fathers , brothers and mothers and cousins etc should be made aware in case they should have protection against such extremist elements. Islam means submission, peace and why this tree Islam always gets bitter fruits in west ? West should look at oppression of brown people and provide same cultural millue for parents to live in like back home country and children can live there lives in modern faithless way. Again its canadaian problem and canda govt should feel shame why good hard working people kill children. Canadains should admit some thing is wrong and improve otherwise same will go.

Mr. Mir,

Where did you get this absurd idea that this was not a honor killing?

Perhaps you would like to enlighten us!

This murder is a direct result of the backward stone age thinking of some Pakistani Muslims living abroad. They want to live in western societies with their freedoms yet are almost draconian in the freedoms they afford their women.

This murder is a hate crime. Pure and simple. It is a crime committed by a seemingly powerless Pakistani male muslim against his daughter's assertion of independence. Pakistanis think that their children are their property.

I can just imagine the father saying,

"haramzadi, Teri yeh Majaal! Mein Tera Gala ghoont key qissa hi khatam kar doon ga".

Yes, it is also domestic violence. But it is an honor killing!

It matters not whether she refused to wear hijab, or whether she wanted to be with her boyfriend as some have suggested.

No act of personal self expression warrants murder.

A simple analogy to this murder is rape. A rapists does not rape because he wants to gain sexual gratification, but to dominate the victim through the most personal and intimate of ways.

Aqsa's father asserted his lack of power upon Aqsa by murdering her. The only way he knew how to gain control and dominance.

Islam does not allow the killing of any person (Muslim or non-Muslim).


Oh enough of this BS already...Islam doesn't allow the killing of people? really? and yet you have muslims blowing stuff up and killing people all over the world...didn't they get allah's memo? did mo's e-mail on this go to the junk mail folder?

Tragic though it is, the death of aqsa should’t go in vain, Canadian social services and civil socirty groups should devise some plan of action so that similar tragedy should not happen again.

In the 80’s and 90’s in UK, honour killings and girls running away from home because of strict parents, arrange marriages, abusive husbands etc, were quite frequent.
Social workers, teachers and police were alerted of this problem, around a dozen hostels were built in the country to accommodate these girls. Police and social workers “snatch squad” were created who removed these girls from their “problem” parents and placed them in hostels with 24 hour security.

Canada has an advantage over UK in that most migrants there are educated and professional, therefore it is far easier for them to adjust to their new adopted land.

#4 Posted by aslam644 on December 17, 2007 3:37:16 am


Canadian social services and civil socirty groups should devise some plan of action so that similar tragedy should not happen again.


When they tried to do that in the UK, your paki buddies screamed islamophobia and said modern day UK was like nazi germany...

Even if she was "immoral" (whatever that means to a momeen mard), it does not give any one a right to kill!!!

slam and the Woman

Part 2

Dr Younus Shaikh



"Indian sub-continent suffered the humiliation and destruction under Islam, as did Africa. The Islamic General Mohammad Bin Qasim decimated great Buddhist and Hindu civilizations. Acting on the orders of a representative of the Islamic Caliph, Governor Hijaj Bin Yousaf (who was a deadly enemy of the Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Hussein's family-some of whom have taken refuge under the Buddhist monarch Raja Dahir in Sindh), Mohammad Bin Qasim conquered the kingdom in 712 CE. His Islamic plunderers and looters demolished temples, shattered sculptures, plundered palaces and killed thousands. It took his Islamic army three days to slaughter the inhabitants of Debal, their women and children were taken into slavery. Later on he pardoned many prisoners and tried to establish a just rule of law which enraged the very Islamic and murderous Governor Hijaj Bin Yousaf; therefore Qasim again reverted to the Islamic barbarity and massacred between 6-16 thousands in Brahiminabad, their women and children were sent to Arab Islamic slave markets.

This was the beginning of the destruction of the classical ancient Indian civilization, and start of the medieval age of Islamic darkness in India. The 11th century witnessed another Islamic murderer and plunderer, Sultan Mahmud Ghaznavi an agent of Islamic Caliph, who utterly ruined the great Indian civilization and looted and plundered most of its wealth. Fifty thousand Hindus were massacred in just one of his attacks at Somnath; he invaded India more than 17 times. Thousands of Hindu men and women were sent to the Islamic Afghani slave markets. The highly cultured and civilized daughters of the noble Hindu families were sold to the illiterate, un-cultured and barbaric Afghanis for equivalent of just one Frank (Pound/Dollar) each. After every Afghani Muslim had four wives each, there were lots of surplus women left; to that the evil Islamic mullahs responded with an ingenious translation of Koranic verses proving that Allah allowed each Muslim to marry 18 women at a time along with an unlimited number of women as concubines. Soon the new military instruments of the Islamic Caliph, the Turks and the Moguls followed, decimated captured Delhi and turned whole of India into a grand open-air slave camp. Sultan Firoze Shah Tughlaq- an Islamic Turk ruler had 100,000 men-slaves and thousands of female sex-slaves in his harem; the pious Islamic Mongol (Mogul) Emperor Shahjehan had 15,000 female sex-slaves and concubines for his personal harem. Indeed, the Islamic Turk invaders and rulers did the same in India as they did in Armenia-the whole races of peoples were exterminated. (However, credit must be given here to the agnostic and secular-minded, humanist Mogul Emperor Akbar the Great who refused the title of "the King of Muslims" and preferred to be called "the shadow of God"- for his God, he declared (in accordance with the mind and language of his age), is the beneficial deity and protector of all-Hindus, Muslims and other races of humans and creatures alike. He gave up his faith in Islam and tried his genius in creating a pluralistic religion comprising traditions of all the prevalent religions and ideologies of India. He even invited the Christian Jesuits priests from Goa to his ideology-discussion-palace but could not swallow their childish Jesus-son-of-God myth).

The medieval Islamic Empire of the Turkish Osmania Caliphate disappeared after Axis defeat in the World War I and with the rise of the Turkish secular hero Mustafa Kemal Pasha. However, it soon metamorphosed into the modern Saudi Islamic spiritual Empire. It is noteworthy that while the very Christian Holy Roman British Empire of the West required standing armies to control the bodies of men in all its colonies, the theocratic Saudi Islamic spiritual Empire of the East depended on the standing army of clerics-Mullahs and Imams-stationed in mosques to control the minds of men-the social, cultural spiritual and psychological control. It is true that Islam dismantled the old Arab tribal loyalties and some of its taboos and traditions; however it created a new tribe in the name of Islam with prophet himself as its chieftain and his family and tribe-Hashmis and Quresh acquiring an elevated and sacred status- a replacement of old medieval tribe with a new theocratic tribe. However, it essentially continued many of the ancient pagan rituals of worship as well as many of its old taboos and traditions. The tribal blood loyalties were replaced with the new tribal religious loyalties. At intellectual level Islam is merely the continuation of the medieval Jahiliya (Ignorance) in the holy garb of Islam- the Islamic Jahilia (the Islamic Medieval Ignorance). Modern Islam is, indeed, merely a continuation of that medieval tribal ignorance and mental backwardness.

Since the advent of the Saudi oil, petrodollars started to support the Islamic extremist movements all over the world and continue to do so. The Saudi petrodollars have created thousands of Islamic centres for social and political control and propaganda- the mosques-all over the world; 1000 mosques were built in the USA only in just last few years. Islamic brainwashing and political propaganda continues in these mosques and madrassas-the religious schools, as well as through the Islamic newspapers, magazines, radios and televisions. All kind of extremist Islamic terrorism and fundamentalism emanates and flows from the " Kernel of Evil- the Epicentre of the ugly Islamism-the Saudis". For Allah of the Saudis makes submission to Islam obligatory for all humans. Those who refuse their submission to Allah or differ from the Saudi version of Islam are called the Satan's party, and must be eliminated by Saudis or their paid and brainwashed zombies-the Muslims- called the Allah's party. Saudi Arabia is in fact the worst example of Islamic medievalism, and mental, social backwardness. Slavery was legal in Saudi until 1960s when it was officially abolished on the personal request of the non-Muslim US President J F Kennedy! However, it continues in new names: the foreign female domestic servants-the private property of the Islamic Bedouin barbarians. Saudi petrodollars continue to support the extremist and fundamentalist mullahs, and continue to lure the Islamic states into the barbarity of the Islamic medieval Shariah laws, and the Saudis continue to spread Islamic mullah terrorism and Islamic theocratic totalitarianism all over the world."

Iran basically an Islamic spiritual colony, is the godfather of the Shiite Islamic terrorism,( Saudi Sunnis are an Islamic sect like the Christian Catholics while Shiites are like the Protestant Christians). This Allah's government in Iran is the most evil religious state today. Torture, murder and Islamic absolutism- an Islamic version of Hitler's Nazism, Stalin's Communism and Mussolini's Fascism combined. There were 5,195 political and religious executions only in 1983 alone! Few years ago a bill was presented in Iranian Parliament asking that in according with the tradition of Islamic prophet, marriage should be allowed with 9 years old girl child! Human rights are definitely not allowed to exist in the Islamic Iran, where according to the English language Radio Iran, the Holy Spirit of imam Khomeni hovers over Iran all the times. Women have been hanged on suspicion of sexual crimes. Even proved virgins have been sent to gallows, however, they are hanged only after being raped, as Iranian Islam does not allow hanging of virgins. Iran had used its oil money in the interest of Islamic revolutions all over the world, and continues to do so.

Algeria, known for its Islamic civil war continues with its Islamic horrors. Islamic absolutism and totalitarianism is imposed with guns and slaughters in the interest of religion of Islam. Men are usually killed for their religio-political crimes while women are killed just for the crime of being a woman in an Islamic country. Thousands were islamically raped and more than 500 were killed only in 1993. Women have been killed for not wearing hijab (veil) or refusing to do so when imposed, for refusing to engage in Iranian-style temporary marriage, for being married to foreign men, and for working and living alone. The victims have been as young as 9 years and as old as 69 years. Women are often raped and tortured before being slaughtered. Thousands find themselves imprisoned in Islamic camps for no legitimate reasons. It is worth mentioning that women had a respectable status in society before the conquest of Algeria by Islam.

Egyptians, heir to the great Pharonic and Alexandrian civilizations continue to suffer the chronic evil of Islam. Known for the miseries of hijab and female genital mutilation, Egypt is also a centre of child prostitution for the wealthy Saudi Islamic Bedouins. In Egypt, four out of five women are forced to wear some kind of hijab. Female genital mutilation is very common; up to 73% in Cairo and 95% in rural areas. In 1995 a shaikh (religious dignity) of Al-Azhar University Cairo issued a fatwa (the religious decree or bill), which reportedly announced the procedure pf Female Genital Mutilation as "laudable practice that does honour to women"; and stating that it was, a religious duty as important as praying to Allah.

Sudan had a long history of Islamic conquest and repression. Islamic totalitarianism and barbarity continues to this day. Recently, Sudan was brutalized by the Saudi-backed Gen.Numeri's Islamic fascism. In 1992 a religious decree-fatwa-was issued that gave justification to the military onslaught against the non-Muslims. Islamic barbarism and genocide continues in Darfur to this day.

Indonesian Islamic army mass-murdered 200,000 East Timurian non-Muslims before East Timur got its independent. The country is known for its extreme religiosity, corruption, ethno-religious problems and Islamic extremism.

Pakistan, an experimental laboratory of Islam, had turned into a horror. Notwithstanding the hundreds of thousands of rapes, abductions and murders under the watchful eyes of the very Christian administration of the Holy Roman British Empire at the time of religious division of the Indian sub-continent in 1947 by the Christian British Empire, when half a million people were forced to migrate, Pakistan has never made any certain move towards civilization. Pakistan is a centre of Islamic fundamentalism, extremism and terrorism. Pakistan's very Islamic army invaded her province of East Pakistan in 1971, killing hundreds of thousands of Bengali Muslims and non-Muslims and raping half a million women ranging 9-69 years in age, in its attempt to create a half breed Pak-Bengal race which would be loyal to Islam and Pakistan. In 1974 Pakistan army invaded its province of Baluchistan resulting in similar calamities. In 1980 Islamist General Zia ul Haq introduced further islamization under the Saudi pressure for introduction of the medieval and tribal Islamic Shariah.. Along with the compulsory public prayers, there were brutal Islamic laws for the very natural sexual acts and for the presumed blasphemy: the repressive Hudood Ordinance and the infamous Blasphemy laws. Thousands of innocent women continue to suffer under these and other Islamic fascist laws for mere allegations. Raped women had been sent to gallows for the crime of being raped. (Islamic Shariah is the only system of law, which punishes the victims: Fatemollah). Pakistani state has proved to be a willing and sinister instrument of the evil Islamic mullah fascism and terrorism. Pakistan created the hated Afghan Taliban and many other such organizations in Afghanistan. Similar organizations continue to flourish in Pakistan and try to create a totalitarian and fascist Islamic state. Despite all tall claims of fight against Islamic terrorism, the evil continues to flourish. Pakistan is undoubtedly a major source of supply for the Iraqi terrorism. Illicit drug trade continues with the blessings of the Islamic mullahs and the ISI (the Islamic Military Intelligence). There are Islamic prostitution centres in every Islamic city of the Islamic Pakistan where abducted and non-Muslim women are forced to suffer. The secular, liberal and rationalist intellectuals continue to suffer in Pakistan like the victims of the infamous Christian inquisition of medieval Europe. While the Christian churches burnt the heretics, Islamic mullahs get them indicted for Blasphemy.

Eternal vigilance is the price of civilization.

(to be continued)

Re: # 5
That isn’t true any girl can go upto her teacher demand protection from her family, they would be whisked away by the police to safe hostel. Though majority end up being addicts or prostitutes for some reason but, that’s a different story.

aslam, who are these teachers and the police? Mostly christian men and women.

Please, let's not promote anti-family, anti-religious goals here.

Re: # 9
It’s not only for muslims these hostels (refuges) they are for everybody as the case below of young sikh girl illustrates if there had been similar set up in Canada maybe aqsa would be alive today.

“A young Sikh girl was kidnapped by her mother and uncle after they discovered she was having a secret affair with a Muslim boy.

The 16-year-old girl's mum discovered the affair by finding messages to her boyfriend on her computer.

The teenager, fearing she would be forced into an arranged marriage, fled to a women's refuge.


But when she went out to visit a cinema, her mother and uncle ambushed her and bundled her into a car.

Refuge workers discovered the girl was missing and alerted police, who went to her Derby home and found her.

Prosecutor Richard Thatcher said: "He was a Muslim and she was a Sikh. Because of this, both parties felt if either of their families became aware of the existence of the relationship it would be ended.

"She was in fear. One of the things she was concerned about was that her parents would split them up but also that they would make her go to India to undergo an arranged marriage -- something she was not keen to do.

"She found their attitudes difficult and the attitude that there should be a lesser view taken of her boyfriend was something she could not understand and considered to be an old prejudice."

But Dan Gaskell, mitigating for the mother and uncle, said: "It was a totally misguided attempt to return this young girl to the family - to return her home, sit her down and sort things out.

"There was no intention of any forced marriage and no religious aspect to the case - this was perpetrated out of genuine concern."

Judge Christopher Plunkett, at Leicester Crown Court, dismissed the teenager's claims that her mother wanted to force an arranged marriage.

He told the two accused: "The two of you bundled your daughter into the back of your car, you drove her away against her will and you kept her against her will for a number of hours.

"If I was of the opinion that you had carried out this offence to get her to enter into an arranged marriage, I would not hesitate to send you to prison. This operation was, however ill-judged and, however misconceived, at its root well-intentioned.

"The result has been tragic - your daughter is estranged, you have lost her trust. Whatever you say your intention was, she is left in fear. This sort of behaviour is entirely unacceptable."

Yesterday, the girl's mother and uncle, who cannot be named, were given a 12-month suspended sentence and ordered to do a total of 205 hours of unpaid work between them. The mother was put under a 12-month supervision order. They each admitted one charge of kidnap.

After she left home, the 16-year-old girl was taken in by Derby's Karma Nirvana refuge, which helps women who fear being forced into arranged marriages.

The court heard that the young couple had started to communicate through MSN instant computer messaging.

The girl's family soon discovered the relationship and began sending the boy threatening messages. She then ran away to a women's refuge in Derby.

On July 26, the mother and uncle found out she was visiting a cinema in Leicester.

Mr Thatcher continued: "On leaving the cinema she became aware that her mother was in the lobby and ran away.

"She ran into a car park area into the arms of her uncle. He grabbed her. She was screaming and asking to be left alone. She was taken to a waiting car and, with the assistance of her mother, was bundled into the car."

The girl was told not to say anything when the police came looking for her. However, she ignored her family and told officers everything when they knocked on her uncle's door in Derby.

Following the case, Karma Nirvana founder Jasvinder Sanghera said, from what she knew about the case, the girl had a strong fear of being forced into an arranged marriage.

She said forced arranged marriages were on the increase in Derby, with six new cases each day. “

Re: # 3
arjun8, it is ignorant people like u who relate the wrong-doing of fanatics to a religion. If a hindu kills someone, I suppose you balme it on the hindu religion then?
It is sad how ignorant people like you start blaming religion based on the what some fanatics do whereas no religion in the world has anything to do with killings.

Re: # 7

laddu jee,

So much hatred is not good for the heart and soul, nor is it reasonably acceptable.

aslam bhai, a sikh girl having an affair with a Muslim boy is NOT a cultural issue, it is a religious issue, through and through. Any Muslim, even the most conservative one, would be happy she was saved from her 'cruel' parents who came in her way.

At least Muslim families should get your respect.

#11 Posted by 12345678 on December 17, 2007 11:31:18 am


If a hindu kills someone, I suppose you balme it on the hindu religion then?


Nope..the washington snipers were muslims and noone but the small neocon fringe called them muslim snipers...

if a catholic spaniard blows himself up in a london subway saying he's doing it for what the brits did to his fellow irish catholics, that would be catholic terrorism..

9/11, bali, london have everything to do with islam...

I appreciate the comments and would like to respond to two comments in particular.

Re: #2

You make a valid point that this was an honour killing. A great many people have made the same assumption. The reason I said that this murder was not an honour killing is because the motive of the crime is still unclear, as I mentioned in the article. It seems likely that honour might be the motive but so far, the father has not given his motive in court. Though he has confessed to the crime, the motive remains to be proven. I feel it is early to make the assumption on my own as to what the reason for the crime was.

Re: # 14

This is in response to a few comments that Mr. arjun8 has made. I would like to clarify a few points:

1. The murder of a daughter by her father has no link to the reasons that Muslim terrorists use to justify their crimes.

2. So far, the father of Aqsa Pervez has not given any reason, as to why he killed his daughter. He himself has not used religion to justify his crime. People have just assumed that he will use Islam to justify the murder. Fact is: he hasn't.

3. When I mentioned Islam's position on murders and killings, my purpose was to state the position itself. I was not denying that Islamic fundamentalists use religion to justify their crimes. They do. Just because they say their crimes are justified by Islam, should we just blindly believe them? No. We have to look at the teachings of Islam for ourselves in order to know.

Secondly, all religions have their fundamentalist groups. Islam is not unique in this case. And the fundamentalists of all religions use their respective religious ideologies to justify killing people. Is Islamic fundamentalism somehow more violent than other religious fundamentalisms? No. Its just that their actions seem to make the news headlines more. Their actions are still wrong and unjustified, for which they should be punished, but they are not the most violent. As far as number of deaths go, the terrorist group that has the highest record of killing is the Tamil Tigers, who believe in no religion, but a perverted version of Marxism. You can read more about this in a book "Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism" by Robert Pape.

So to say that any Muslim who kills another person is doing it because his religion has told him to do so, is utterly wrong. And even if a Muslim says that, we should look into the religion ourselves in order to know if there is a difference between what the religion says and what a person says.

#15 Posted by naumanmir on December 17, 2007 3:54:19 pm


Just because they say their crimes are justified by Islam, should we just blindly believe them? No. We have to look at the teachings of Islam for ourselves in order to know.


when 4 british born muslims of pakistani descent blow up a bunch of people in london subways because of british participation in the war in iraq, it IS islamic terrorism...

heck, the london bomber even made a video saying you were attacked because you attacked us..the us isn't soccer fans or the britney spears fan club..


So to say that any Muslim who kills another person is doing it because his religion has told him to do so, is utterly wrong.


really? it's wrong..and yet they keep doing it again and again and again..and people like you keep making excuses for them..