Haider Shah December 21, 2007
#1 Posted by ShoreSahib on December 21, 2007 2:00:55 pm
Haider,
You make some great points. Aqsa's murder had to do with the loss of power her father felt over her.
The only way he knew to regain that power was to choke her to death.
It was a hate crime and an honor killing. Hate crime because her father hated the independence she exhibited. How dare she be independent and think for herself?
Honor killing because he perceived his honor was on the line.
Thus he committed the most dishonorable of all acts. The murder of one's own progeny. Truly despicable!
The statement by the Canadian Imams is quite funny, and revealing.
Training your daughters to wear hijab earlier laughs in the face of free will regarding religion. Training your daughters is another synonym for forcing your daughters.
Yes, Make them wear the hijab at an age where they cant protest until it becomes a habit for them.
I think Hijab when forced, has less to do with purity but more to do with appearances. Oh, the people will say He is such a good Muslim father for instilling the value of Hijab in his daughter. He will fit in better with his peers at the mosque, and will be respected.
You make some great points. Aqsa's murder had to do with the loss of power her father felt over her.
The only way he knew to regain that power was to choke her to death.
It was a hate crime and an honor killing. Hate crime because her father hated the independence she exhibited. How dare she be independent and think for herself?
Honor killing because he perceived his honor was on the line.
Thus he committed the most dishonorable of all acts. The murder of one's own progeny. Truly despicable!
The statement by the Canadian Imams is quite funny, and revealing.
Training your daughters to wear hijab earlier laughs in the face of free will regarding religion. Training your daughters is another synonym for forcing your daughters.
Yes, Make them wear the hijab at an age where they cant protest until it becomes a habit for them.
I think Hijab when forced, has less to do with purity but more to do with appearances. Oh, the people will say He is such a good Muslim father for instilling the value of Hijab in his daughter. He will fit in better with his peers at the mosque, and will be respected.
#2 Posted by neembu on December 21, 2007 3:27:09 pm
These are questions that must be asked and answered by ALL members of our communities-particularly young girls, young adult women, women and males who refuse to participate in androcentricity.
#3 Posted by hamza_yusufzai on December 21, 2007 5:10:41 pm
Shore.....i agree w/ ur assertion that this guy was nutts...i do have an issue when u claiming that when parents raise there kids with certain religious belief than thats 'forcing' them...when ur parents raised ur sisters with the value that its not cool to show their nipples or thighs in public...than does that mean that they were forcing them? who decides that showing thighs n nipples r a big biggg no no.....everyone has a right to raise there kids with values n morals according to thier belief system...no one has the right to force anything on an adult from an Islamic perspective...from a western perspective however when u live under my roof than u live according to my rules if u dont like em u move out
#4 Posted by bjkumar on December 21, 2007 7:48:02 pm
The following rule of thumb appears to be simplicity itself.
Hey, if you wish to live like you were surrounded by Saudi Arabian culture - why not live IN Saudi Arabia?
Hey, if you wish to live like you were surrounded by Saudi Arabian culture - why not live IN Saudi Arabia?
#5 Posted by Prisoner24601 on December 21, 2007 8:46:00 pm
Beej "Hey, if you wish to live like you were surrounded by Saudi Arabian culture "
i am not sure what "saudi arabian" culture has to do with Islam. But I do know that despite all its ills, you would never find sacks full of female fetuses floating down the sewer in saudi arabia, neither is bride burning a national sport.
perhaps you hindoos need a little bit of "saudi arabian" culture, beej?
i am not sure what "saudi arabian" culture has to do with Islam. But I do know that despite all its ills, you would never find sacks full of female fetuses floating down the sewer in saudi arabia, neither is bride burning a national sport.
perhaps you hindoos need a little bit of "saudi arabian" culture, beej?
#6 Posted by nb on December 21, 2007 8:47:57 pm
Atif, and this is why you don't live in Saudi Arabia, is it?
#7 Posted by bjkumar on December 21, 2007 8:54:34 pm
Prisoner24601,
My dear, if you love to live like the Saudi Arabs why not live WITH the Saudi Arabians?
What is the point in trying to emulate the "real thing" from a distance? What's the matter - you do not LIKE the company of the Saudi Arabians? Too good for those folks, are you?!
How does it make any sense?
You know the old saying - when in Rome, live like the Romans!
It does not say - when in Canada, live like the Arabs, does it?! :)
My dear, if you love to live like the Saudi Arabs why not live WITH the Saudi Arabians?
What is the point in trying to emulate the "real thing" from a distance? What's the matter - you do not LIKE the company of the Saudi Arabians? Too good for those folks, are you?!
How does it make any sense?
You know the old saying - when in Rome, live like the Romans!
It does not say - when in Canada, live like the Arabs, does it?! :)
#8 Posted by Prisoner24601 on December 21, 2007 9:00:10 pm
Beej "You know the old saying - when in Rome, live like the Romans!"
and YOU know that old saying - charity begins at home!
so why not begin to grant female fetuses the right to live, before you start worrying about the grown-up women of other cultures, beej? :)
and YOU know that old saying - charity begins at home!
so why not begin to grant female fetuses the right to live, before you start worrying about the grown-up women of other cultures, beej? :)
#9 Posted by bjkumar on December 21, 2007 9:52:10 pm
Prisoner24601, I think abortion should not be allowed.
Now, can we deport those people who live in USA/Canada but like to live by the primitive ways of the Saudis?
What say you, my dear?!
#10 Posted by hamza_yusufzai on December 21, 2007 10:07:47 pm
baba jee
first of all 'we' dont deport anyone, what 'we' do is fry donuts n change stained bedsheets at sleep inn...anyone who breaks a law of the land punishable by deportation does n should get deported...'we' should be making sure that there is a fresh batch of glazed so I dont have to wait n make small talk.
first of all 'we' dont deport anyone, what 'we' do is fry donuts n change stained bedsheets at sleep inn...anyone who breaks a law of the land punishable by deportation does n should get deported...'we' should be making sure that there is a fresh batch of glazed so I dont have to wait n make small talk.
#11 Posted by cid1 on December 22, 2007 3:35:00 am
Paki culture = cab driving and terrorism
so paki culture is already here in america..
so paki culture is already here in america..
#12 Posted by bjkumar on December 22, 2007 5:17:45 am
Dear Hamza,
You are mistaken.
There is a right way to fry Donuts! Otherwise it will taste like the poops.
Similarly, there is a right way to do things - including how one treats one's own family members - boy OR girl!
When immigrants move in, it is expected of them that they will learn some of the right ways and leave some of the wrong ways "back home"!
That is not too much to ask.
Repeat after me - "the Saudi Arabian way to treat women is the WRONG way! That is not the Canadian way."
#13 Posted by neembu on December 22, 2007 6:48:07 am
Re: # 3
What contributes to this system of control is the distortion of the values of female agency (look the term up in a college dictionary). This post demonstrates it-rather than acknowledging female self will, self determination, choices, etc., female agency is grossly distorted as running around naked.
Btw, this interactor is presents himself as a 20 year old and so that should say something about the timeless quality of male anxiety and machismo.
What contributes to this system of control is the distortion of the values of female agency (look the term up in a college dictionary). This post demonstrates it-rather than acknowledging female self will, self determination, choices, etc., female agency is grossly distorted as running around naked.
Btw, this interactor is presents himself as a 20 year old and so that should say something about the timeless quality of male anxiety and machismo.
#14 Posted by Prisoner24601 on December 22, 2007 6:54:39 am
beej "Prisoner24601, I think abortion should not be allowed. "
think? 20 million aborted female fetuses in india in the last decade and you are still thinking, Beej?
I think its time to quit thinking and start acting, Beej.
and like I said earlier, charity begins at home. So beej, the first thing to do would be to check your backyard and your closets for any skeletons - skeletons of aborted female fetuses, that is.
once you are done doing that, report back to chowk and I will tell you the next steps, Beej.
think? 20 million aborted female fetuses in india in the last decade and you are still thinking, Beej?
I think its time to quit thinking and start acting, Beej.
and like I said earlier, charity begins at home. So beej, the first thing to do would be to check your backyard and your closets for any skeletons - skeletons of aborted female fetuses, that is.
once you are done doing that, report back to chowk and I will tell you the next steps, Beej.
#15 Posted by aslam644 on December 22, 2007 8:47:32 am
The winds of change are blowing through Saudi Arabia, a sex shop in makkah,
Astagfirullah, what next?
ANN Summers, the sex shop and lingerie chain, has been granted permission to open 22 shops in the Middle East, including one in the holy city of Mecca.
The Telegraph has learned that "erotic stock" has already been shipped to Kuwait in preparation for the opening of the first shops in October.The branch in Saudi Arabia will be at the Mecca International Mall. Permission to open the stores was obtained through the company's Kuwait-based franchise, Makae/Top Ten International.
Ann Summers, which has a turnover of more than £53 million a year, will not however be able to sell its range of sex toys in the Middle East, where such goods are illegal. It will restrict the first sales to exotic lingerie, leather goods and PVC bodywear. It hopes to introduce chocolate bodypaints and massage oils later. Other stores are due to open in Dubai, Bahrain, Egypt, Qatar, Abu Dhabi and, possibly, Oman. Twelve are due to open from October, the rest in the New Year.
Noshaba Hussein, a leading member of the Iranian-backed Muslim Parliament of Great Britain, said she would lobby the Foreign Office and the Saudi Arabian ambassador to prevent the opening of the shops. "Who is supposed to buy these products? When Muslims go to the holy city they should only be indulging in prayer," she said.
Only Muslims are allowed to enter Mecca, the holiest city in Islam, where public observance of any other religion is forbidden. Every year, tens of thousands of pilgrims make their way to Mecca and Medina for the Hajj pilgrimage. Mohamed Ayed Alenezi, the chairman of Makae, defended the expansion. "Nice and sexy lingerie is not against Islam," he said.
Some Muslim clerics believe that Islamic married couples are allowed to share an interest in erotic underwear. Ayub Laher, the general secretary of the Bradford Council of Mosques, said that the shops would provide an outlet to explore fantasies: "Islam encourages a man and wife to please each other within the confines of their own homes. Underwear is allowed, massage oils can be part of innocent fun and as long as leather is not made out of pigskin, that is fine too."
The shops will be staffed by men. Senior staff, including Jacqueline Gold, the chief executive of Ann Summers, will be replaced by male executives for the stores' openings.
Astagfirullah, what next?
ANN Summers, the sex shop and lingerie chain, has been granted permission to open 22 shops in the Middle East, including one in the holy city of Mecca.
The Telegraph has learned that "erotic stock" has already been shipped to Kuwait in preparation for the opening of the first shops in October.The branch in Saudi Arabia will be at the Mecca International Mall. Permission to open the stores was obtained through the company's Kuwait-based franchise, Makae/Top Ten International.
Ann Summers, which has a turnover of more than £53 million a year, will not however be able to sell its range of sex toys in the Middle East, where such goods are illegal. It will restrict the first sales to exotic lingerie, leather goods and PVC bodywear. It hopes to introduce chocolate bodypaints and massage oils later. Other stores are due to open in Dubai, Bahrain, Egypt, Qatar, Abu Dhabi and, possibly, Oman. Twelve are due to open from October, the rest in the New Year.
Noshaba Hussein, a leading member of the Iranian-backed Muslim Parliament of Great Britain, said she would lobby the Foreign Office and the Saudi Arabian ambassador to prevent the opening of the shops. "Who is supposed to buy these products? When Muslims go to the holy city they should only be indulging in prayer," she said.
Only Muslims are allowed to enter Mecca, the holiest city in Islam, where public observance of any other religion is forbidden. Every year, tens of thousands of pilgrims make their way to Mecca and Medina for the Hajj pilgrimage. Mohamed Ayed Alenezi, the chairman of Makae, defended the expansion. "Nice and sexy lingerie is not against Islam," he said.
Some Muslim clerics believe that Islamic married couples are allowed to share an interest in erotic underwear. Ayub Laher, the general secretary of the Bradford Council of Mosques, said that the shops would provide an outlet to explore fantasies: "Islam encourages a man and wife to please each other within the confines of their own homes. Underwear is allowed, massage oils can be part of innocent fun and as long as leather is not made out of pigskin, that is fine too."
The shops will be staffed by men. Senior staff, including Jacqueline Gold, the chief executive of Ann Summers, will be replaced by male executives for the stores' openings.
#16 Posted by bjkumar on December 22, 2007 9:14:35 am
Prisoner, you are a captive...
Of your preconceived notions, ignorance, and the inability to see things for what they are.
Tell you what, I shall act...
I denounce abortion here and now...
Now it is your turn...
Denounce the primitive mindset that killed Aqsa Pervez...
Go ahead, show some guts...
Break free from your chains of servitude - which you mistakenly think are your decorative jewels...
Break away now from that eternal ghulaami, the servile mindset...
Do it NOW, if you got any guts. Do it now - or forever remain a slave!
THE prisoner!
Of your preconceived notions, ignorance, and the inability to see things for what they are.
Tell you what, I shall act...
I denounce abortion here and now...
Now it is your turn...
Denounce the primitive mindset that killed Aqsa Pervez...
Go ahead, show some guts...
Break free from your chains of servitude - which you mistakenly think are your decorative jewels...
Break away now from that eternal ghulaami, the servile mindset...
Do it NOW, if you got any guts. Do it now - or forever remain a slave!
THE prisoner!
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