The Real Issue Facing Pakistan

read upto 187.

Re: # 210 she had no choice , this was the policy dictated by the military establishment mohar bhai

what goes around, comes around...

her latest awakening notwithstanding, Bhutto had helped create this jihad monster that got her, when she was in power in pakiland... she was an active participant in jihad in kashmir... Now the same monster finally killed her, the same dastardly way they have killed thousand lives in kashmir and elsewhere... It's poetic justice...

And for you pakis - this is just the beginning... there is more to come... you all have participated in creating this monster, this culture of ultra-violence and big0try.... and you are going to pay dearly for it...

what goes around, comes around...

Re: # 206 baaat yeh hai kai too admi hai hi nahin , buddhi aurat hai too

the most shallow and synthetic piece of writing, its disjointed, lacks substance , displays a very pygmy mind , never read such pure rot analysis straight from bottom of a gutter , keep it up you psuedo character ,keep up writing this absolute nonsense,this spam , i think chowk staff is your relative and they promote u

#185 Posted by ijaz_gul
#184 Posted by ijaz_gul

I never said “Mass” desertions. I just mentioned desertions. Can I produce a reference now? Perhaps not but I am surprised that people who claim extended knowledge of the army history in Pakistan are unaware of this. I remember reading a book by a senior Indian army officer, a commander in Punjab, who frankly admitted desertions on the Indian side. I know you cannot expect that kind of honesty from the Pakistan Generals.


First you asked, “would soldiers die in an ambush because they want to protect MilInc.?”

Now you come back with this?

“Recall 1977 and the two Brigadiers who refused to fire in Lahore.”

Perhaps you did not understand your own question about the Mill inc.

I think I have adequately answered your questions. Army never fired in Lahore in 1977. They fired in Karachi and Hyderabad.
I will come back to the rest of your post but it is not me generalizing, your conflict would not allow you to understand the difference in the army culture and some people you know.

#186 Posted by pavocavalry

“the fact is that u are a very stupid man...not having seen the ground and talking absolute bullshit , lowly prick that you are , and that too a small one”

Wow! You have such intimate knowledge of my prick!

So I am a stupid man but you are unable to answer any thing I wrote. Your reaction is typical of any army officer. Your cloak of intellectualism is so badly shattered that you are down to measuring prick sizes.

Zeemax was able to pick what I wrote and you self proclaimed military genius that you are not, were not even able to figure out how an unmanned border could be monitored!

So study hard and come back with the answers to all my posts.
Btw, I am not done here. I intend to take apart the rest of your false assertions as soon as I am over the BB incident.
People like you who support Jihadis and the Taliban have become the real enemies of Pakistan!

I had posted this just a month ago....

Resist, resist, resist:
Posted by HP Nov 25, 2007 02:36 pm
There are three main players in Pakistan now: Mushy baba, BB the PM in waiting, and the botox man Nawaz.
Now if something were to happen to one of these three persons in the next few weeks, where would the elections be? Can anyone figure out the turmoil Pakistan would be in after the disaster?
I think in terms of impact 1 BB, 2 Botoxman and 3 Mushraf baba
These ratings are based on my calculations that Pakistan is now open for a major event that would overshadow anything that has happened so far.


I hope people make sane decisions after this insanity. Sounds like end of the line for elections and the situation may turn to worst.

In the words of fatima bhutto


Ms. Bhutto's repeated promises to end fundamentalism and terrorism in Pakistan strain credulity because, after all, the Taliban government that ran Afghanistan was recognized by Pakistan under her last government -- making Pakistan one of only three governments in the world to do so.



Karma..it's what's for dinner..

#198 Posted by bulleya on December 27, 2007 6:31:36 am


i have told you so many times that it is counterproductive for pakistan to get involved in this us gwot


you were one of the most enthusiastic supporters of the attack on afghanistan...you even said you were ready to give up your job and join the invasion...

Urstruly #: " am just a messenger. I only read the inevitability that is written on the wall out loud for the rest of you and at the most spell it out for rest of you. Don't shoot the messenger..."

you are significantly more than a messenger.......you, like most people, have a political agenda a political view and support a political system for pakistan......much, if not most of which, at least in my opinion, is harmful to pakistan.......

hamidm2 mian, at the other extreme, is similar to you, with an equally harmful agenda......

.....the only difference is that he is far more willing to use violence to push his agenda.....specifically in countries other than the one he lives in......you, on the other hand, do no push violence to push your agenda.......i believe you do denounce obl's violence (even though your agenda leans towards his), while hamidm mian fully support bush's violence (and his agenda).......

i disagree totally with both of you.......though on you at a political level, while i disagree with hamidm2 mian at a political and human rights level......

ijaz_gul #: "we need to talk sometime....ijaz_gul@yahoo.com..."

what exactly would you like to talk about, and how exactly would you like to talk about it......is there something you would like to discuss, over email that cannot be discussed here?

I am really sad to hear the news of BB's untimely death.

Re: # 198

I am just a messenger. I only read the inevitability that is written on the wall out loud for the rest of you and at the most spell it out for rest of you. Don't shoot the messenger.

hamidm2 mian: "....... let me be the first one to congratulate you on the success of your guillotines ....... who is the next target of your seething hatred ?"

...i think it is about time that individuals like yourself also started taking some responsibilty......

i have had so many discussions with you, on iraq, where i have stated that bombing and bombing and more bombing will destroy the country......which is exactly what it has done.....

......now you have your eyes set on pakistan.....i have told you so many times that it is counterproductive for pakistan to get involved in this us gwot......the result will be bombs going off in pakistan......you, on the other hand have been, once again, been pushing bombing and bombing and bombing......as if that solved the problem in iraq.......

what is happening in pakistan is a by-product of the policies pushed by individuals like yourself (and bush) and those pushed by obl and the extreme militant religious right.........pakistan is the victim......

so how about getting off your high horse, as well, and realizing that the best approach for pakistan is to neither be, "with us nor against us," but to stay out of the fight all together......

this is not pakistan's gwot.......it needs to stop fighting it on either side......whether it is pakistanis killing pakistanis in waziristan for america and pakistanis killing pakistanis in pindi for obl, in the end, on both sides pakistanis die......

people like you on the one end (along with bush) and people like urstruly on the other (though he doesn't support obl, hence i consider him less extreme on his side than you) are the problem........you two are going to crunch the rest of us, in between.......

Re: # 196

Hamidm Sahib:

Very sad and sick election politics. Bullet, not Ballot decided.

zeemax and urstruly,

....... let me be the first one to congratulate you on the success of your guillotines ....... who is the next target of your seething hatred ?

so you pakis finally killed Bhutto...

zee, one more victory on your side- huh?

Just saw the news ! I feel sorry for Pakistan :(

WSJ:
A party aide and a military official say Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto has died following a suicide bombing. Updated article coming soon.

masadi: writes "One of my places of employment in Pakistan about which he is alluding is a private university, that receives some funds from US Aid. My salary has nothing to do with that funding,"

Anyone with even a passing bit of common sense, not to mention even a passing understanding of finance 101, would consider the above to be an absurd statement. This is yet another example of the hypocrisy of masadi - draws salary from an institution funded by US Aid, claims his salary has nothing to do with that funding!!

This is yet another shocking example of...drum roll...trumpets...banjo...high kicking gals of moulin rouge...Masadi - the Wage Slave Peon of the West in real life, the Single Tune ("US Elite rules the world") Piano of Mian Channu on chowk.

we need to talk sometime.
ijaz_gul@yahoo.com

ijaz_gul#: "To conclude, yes I defend the army officers most of whom are consientous, professional and as patriotic as any other Pakistani. I do not defend the the cotorie that proliferates in the four factors I mentioned..."

...the overwhelming number of military men who die in any conflict are enlisted......the only force in which this is not true is the air force.......where nearly all the dead are officers........however, nearly every single officer who dies is at the rank of major or lower....so an overwhelming number of deaths in conflict are enlisted and officers in their 20s and early 30s......

.......the number of lt. cols/wg. cdrs/cdres who have died in conflict is minimal......the number of brigadier level individuals who have died can be counted on one's fingertips......and above this is almost non-existent.......

hardly any of the generals of today have seen any kind of combat......even musharraf had to dig long and hard to display himself as a, "war veteran" in his book.....

.....however, the living standards of pakistan military are totally inversely proportional to the above.....those who do the fighting (enslisted, leiutenants, majors etc.) have dismil living standards and working environments (since i was one, i have some authority on this subject)......while the living standards of brigadiers and above (including retired ones) are totally out of proportion with civilians with equivalent amount of qualifications...

there is no way a lt. gen. could become the chairman of board of a bank as a civilian, but he can as a general......there is no way a retired brigadier could make a mini-fortune in real estate, but he can through his military contacts.......there is no way a maj gen. could become the head of the largest real estate company in pakistan as a civilian, but he can as a general...............none could become governors.......yet two out of the four provinces have retired generals as governors......

.....until you understand these differences in the internals of the military, you will not be able to, correctly, analyze the military.......you need to divide your analysis into a minimum of four categories: enlisted, junior officers, middle officers, senior officers (brig and above).....and anlyze each separately...

its the first two groups that fight in the kargils.......i am big fan of theirs, also.......however, it is the last group that has totally screwed the military and pakistan......i don't use the word, "screwed" lightly here.....they are totally incompetent, to run their own institution, much less pakistan.....they are greedy, self-righteous.......they have turned legalized corruption into an art.......

it is infact, their stupid decisions and planning that led to kargil.......not a single one of them was put on trial for their incompetence, while thousands from the first two groups died, totolly unnecessary.......

......the head of the fourth group, in any other country and in any other phase in history - from ancient greeks to today - would have resigned in shame......instead he took over the country.......

....there is a transition that occurs in the military around the rank of brigadier.......when i meet captains in pakistan, they all talk about tanks and planes and guns (which is what they should be talking about).......nearly every brig and above i meet, regardless of the topic, eventually ends up discussing plots and land.......

up til now, the whole institution was relativley immune from the incompetence and (legalized) greed of the top group......however, now it is totally affected......due to which, the pakistani military is now a degenerated institution, and slowly, even the first group will start surrendering and refusing to fight etc.......i certainly would not want to fight, against my own countryment, to satisfy americans, so that musharraf can stay in power.....(which, at its core, is what is happening in waziristan).....

Read HP for HJ.

pavocavalry,

I think HJ meant that presence of ground troops is not essential, and border can be controlled via electronic surveillance. Is that possible?

Helmand is the centre of taliban resistance and just imagine the border of helmand with pakistan has no paki regular or NATO troops.NATO or USA is not even 100 km from that border .

ur baseless comments are a total invention of ur limited mind....the major afghan mujs like ahmad shah m,asood and ismail khan had no pashtuns from pakistan.

Re: # 173 the fact is that u are a very stupid man...not having seen the ground and talking absolute bullshit , lowly prick that you are , and that too a small one.I have physically seen a large part of afghan border having been involved in construction.i was manager of a company constructing clinics for USAID in the most dangerous parts of helmand province Nad i Ali,Khanishin,Garmser,Deshu,Bertaka.I did survey for the major NATO camp,Camp Bastion housing a british brigade from Lashkargah to Camp Bastion,I worked on Salerno Base in khost.

The onground situation is as following :---

1-There is no paki army all along helmand provinces entire border with pakistan some 200 miles,may be 300 km.There is no brit or american or nato force in this area.US troops are in penny packets not manning the border at all.The only paki army presence is in waziristan a mere 200 km frontier stretch.

2-US and NATO force levels are so low that they cannot and are not designed to seal any border.The entire border between Waziristan and Chaman some 700 km stretch has hardly any paki army.

i must add that u have a shallow knowledge of history and more unfirtunately are a very shallow man u lowly prick !

HP,
Also your assertion on mass desertions cannot be substantiated. You you have some figures and references?

HP #136
HP,
Praetorian Model
Though I agree with your definition of praetorian, you still do not answer my question. What is that coterie? I have many relatives and friends in the armed forces and none of them is bound by greed fed to them by the generals. If you do not substantiate this assertion, I will take it as a conspiracy theory from you. I opine that this model in Pakistan is driven by the following factors varying under different environments that perpetuate and invite military intervention: -
1) Security Perspectives. Previously it was Kashmir. Now it is on the themes such as Blood Borders etc. Read my essay on Insight
2) Failure of political institutions like the misdeeds of NS and BB and readiness of fly by night reformers to hobnob.
3) Military Prestige that has outgrown the ceremonial order of precedence and why army takes offence to sacking of its chief etc.
Now if you reason out and dilate these factors, you may reach a logical conclusion about my question.

Benefits
This is a sweeping generalisation. No one can die just vying for benefits. It needs motivation and sense of purpose to die willingly, as much as it needs an individual to blow himself up. Ridiculing loss of over 1000 men as quest for benefits makes no sense. You will find the answer in my remarks of ‘operating in grey created by intelligence agencies and running into an ambush’.

You appear to have a very lopsided view of Army Life. No army is a benefit driven commission mafia. It’s the same men in arms who volunteered willingly for Kargil and died unsung and disowned, (a referred by Agha Amin Hamayun in one of his posts). I am sure Agha was indeed one of the many who lost motivation despite being brilliant, because they did not internalise the format.

Army History
You remarked that,
“In your zest to find some redemption for the army officers you are ignoring the Pak army’s history. The conscripts have on more than one occasion, fired on people to protect the Army interests’.
Recall 1977 and the two Brigadiers who refused to fire in Lahore. They were disgraced and then thrown out of the Army. Niaz is one of them. By the way, there is a complete manual called ‘in Aid of Civil Power’ . Soldiers just don’t go and kill anybody. The orders for fire are given by the civil administrators or his representatives in the presence of a magisterate, after requistioning the service of the army. The orders also specify the volume of fire and the point of aim which is usually the legs. Yes there is a blanket when they fire in self defence in face of fire.

To conclude, yes I defend the army officers most of whom are consientous, professional and as patriotic as any other Pakistani. I do not defend the the cotorie that proliferates in the four factors I mentioned.

It is the cotorie and its linkages that you as an analyst need to identify?

#144 Posted by CreateAlpha,

China is well on its way to join the leagues of the big boys..and good for them. this is not done in a vacuum. Their trade policies and monetary policies will have to tempered with American wishes. It is not and should not be an us vs. them..if that is so..China will lose.

That's an excellent comment, but true only in a perfect global market. A 'perfect market' is defined by fair competition, full transparency, equal access for all participants, easy access to reliable information, a price discovery mechanism, a reliable multi-currency settlement system, and control of monopolies and cornering.

How many of the above hold true in present day markets? US alone determines which of the above should apply, if at all, and to what extent.

If it wasn't an us vs.them, and globalisation anything other than a fraudulent scheme, USA would have allowed the Chinese to buy up Unocal.

Re: # 181

I can't speak for Pavo but associating me with napak fouj is pure dishonesty. There is no one on this board who despises this criminal piece of shiit organization more than me. I think this criminal organization must be humiliated, deafeated, and disbanned forever - especially after the massacre of school children in Islamabad and destruction of mosques there is no mercy and no forgiveness.

Wow Urstruly,

So far I have not seen any evidence that what he wrote turned out to be true. But I can understand the camaraderie between an army officer and an Islamist. Both, after all, share the same bread!

Re: # 179

Before you indulge yourself more in this self aggrandizing tripe, keep in mind that what Pavo had written 8-9 years ago has turned out to be true this many years later including the prediction of the face off between Napak fouj and people of Pakistan that we are witnessing today.

Although his nalaysis is sound and backed by undeniable evidence yet I will disagree with him that Pak Afghan border cannot be sealed. I think it can and it should be done as soon as possible. Not that it will make a dime of difference in the war of independence that is going on in Afghanistan against American occupation, but just as Americans are deafeated and pack to leave the horrible civil war that will follow in Afghanistan will most definitely spill over into Pakistan. When that day comes a wall with the state of the art surveilence system (paid of course by Americans with the money that they make through drug trade) would come in handy.

#138 Posted by pavocavalry

“5-Its a new assertion we are hearing that tribals from Pakistwn were fighting in Afghanistan.All major Afghan parties were Afghan based in manpower.I am living in Kabul for last four years and have had continuous interaction with many tribals since 1979.A Pashtun from Pakistan is instantly picked up by his dialect and even the way he dresses.”

Sir, you continue to disappoint me. Could someone please tell this Military genius how Guerrilla warfare is conducted? It is not love making that lips are sealed to the lips and the bods are enjoined in pleasure. The darks of the nights was the only thing common between the love making in Afghanistan and Guerrilla fighter descending from the Pakistani mountains.

They did not sweet talk the Russians and the afghan army before the Russians, to identify their accent and the dress code!

Need I say more?

Just an after thought! Can some one claim military opposition to the Taraki government was homegrown?

Hate this multiple posts but one more activity these tribes were involved in big time was called Hawala!
The Hawala trade in Pakistan was controlled by the Pathan tribesmen.

I remember once in Kohat, I jumped on a hawala trader who was trying to cheat a poor family out of their hard earned money from some where in the middle east. The interesting part is that I was invited for lunch by the same Hawala dealer. I got mad at him after the lunch!
Guess I was not a great guest!

#138 Posted by pavocavalry

I looked at all points 1, 2 are just hilarious.

Let me just deal with #3 first, you write:

“3-The writer states that settled areas were more anti British.Absolute nonsense.In First World War tribals led the anti British movement.Mahsuds of 130 Infantry bayoneted a British officer.Mir Mast Afridi defected with 14 Afridis to Germans in France and was awarded Iron Cross by Kaiser.After First World War Afridi and Mahsud rdruitment was severely reduced in Indian Army since they were regarded as disloyal.”

Sir, it is really hard for you to figure out political opposition and the military confrontation. If I follow your line of argument, I would assume that no one in India was anti British because they did not kill any one by deception. Or they did not defect to Germans. I admire the afridis who defected to Germany in the First World War but if their intention was to defect then why in the hell were they in France in the first place. These things are not called defections they are called desertions and the abandonment

You also forget the Khudia Khimatagars were actively anti British since the Khilafat Movement but I guess in your opinion they don’t qualify as anti British because they refused to kill people!

In fact, it was the KK or the Surkhposh of NWFP that I was referring to when I mentioned anti British agitation in the settled areas.

Sir, these same groups of people along with other nationalist in Pakistan including Sindhi, Balochi and Bengalis always protested against the army rule in Pakistan and they were the people who took the burnt of several army actions in Pakistan.

During all that time the tribes, the so called saviors of Islam were selling drugs or making ammo for the criminals who regularly stole items of value from Pakistan. Most of the tribal Maliks and the Khans were sitting with the army throughout that period.

These criminals have never supported people of Pakistan in any struggle and you think they are fighting for Islam?

I am just tired of responding to argument from kakol type Jihadi intellectuals who just don’t understand any basic thing about what political struggle is all about!

PS. I forgot to mention another Islamic activity that tribes were involved in and it is called Smuggling and the selling of the contraband in the army protected tribal areas!

I will respond to #5 soon.

#7 Husain Haqqani sometimes does write better than me but mostly he has an agenda and I don’t!

tahmed writes "masadi: and one more thing. musharraf needs to pay his peons more to switch the blame to the US elite and absolve him - mush pays peanuts, and so all he gets is losers (as described below) like you"

Make up your mind, am I in the employ of the US elite or Musharraf, since you have in a Freudian slip associated them- and they surely are associated, joined at the hip, let us take your word for it. The only thing wrong with it is that I am neither in the employ of the US elite nor their peon Musharraf. I earn an honest day's living teaching sociology to students whose collective fees amount to several times what the university pays me. Musharraf tries to hide his assocition with the US elite but it comes out time and again, in quite obvious form, as it did with Negroponte's visit, and the past midnight phone calls, and independant visits to other military generals... you don't fool anyone Tahmed, your "gods" the ones your worship are neck deep as causation factors in our people's misery...

Tahmed writes "what is a masadi? a wage slave to the same "US elite" (by his own admission) hypocrite (as he has conclusively demonstrated three times over on the IK board)."

Sorry had to return to respond to this BS. As usual the spineless poster can only come up with Ad Hominem to counter my posts and even his Ad Hominem are invented lies.

One of my places of employment in Pakistan about which he is alluding is a private university, that receives some funds from US Aid. My salary has nothing to do with that funding, it has everything to do with teaching the students sociology and related concepts regarding how the US elite are robbing the world blind and holding it hostage using carrots like AID, many times over which is then recycled back to the West in terms of lucrative contracts and sweetheart deals and other BS.

Now, none of them puts me in the employ of the US elite. Regarding the IK board, as usual Tahmed put his tail between his legs and ran off, you all be the judge.

#139 Posted by pavocavalry

Btw, Quoted below is what I wrote in the article above regarding the US and the Pak army cutting off the supply lines of the tribes. I was not talking about the Taliban. You obviously missed the point. Still my response in #173 stands!

“How hard it is to cut off their support lines when both the Pak army and the US army control the immediate geographical areas surrounding the tribal belt?”

Cutting off tribal support lines is different than cutting off the Taliban’s support lines. True, those lines are often hard to separate. Still, my argument was about the tribes and NOT the Taliban!

#139 Posted by pavocavalry

“The assertion is that Pakistan Army and USA can easily cut the taliban Line of communication is also incorrect.
1-The USA has less than 10,000 active troops in Afghanistan able to act as interdictors.20,000 are committed in admin,line duties etc.Of the 1900 KM frontier in which Talibans are active just 300 KM is actively cordoned by Pakistan Army.
2-The major Taliban area of ops Helmand and Kandahar which is more than 600 kilometres long has no Pakistan Army troops.”

And you are supposed to be an army historian, an expert in strategies for defense and offense, and the one who can argue to favor “the defense of east lies in the west”.

I am none of the above. Military stories bore me to death, Clausewitz and a Chinese( whose name I forget now) sometime do make some sense to me. I have no claim over any military history or military strategies but could you please just answer one question for me:

Why do you think only army troops or human bodies can monitor a border? Has it occurred to you that in this 21st century there are multiple means to monitor an area as big as 1900 km or may be more?

I am sorry you continuously disappoint me with your less than intelligent arguments.

Now would you please tell me: could the Taliban use all of 1900 KM or they use some points which they can easily maneuver given their chronicle lack of transportation in moving people across the borders?

So 600 KM has no Pakistan troops. Hard to believe but let me agree with you here. Have you heard of the US, NATO and the afghan armies in Afghanistan and could you please tell me how many of those troops monitor that 600 KM border and how much of that 600 KM really provides the terrain support for the Islamic Jihadis?

Have you had a chance to look at the topology and the terrain of that area, if not physically, via the satellite? How many points would you deem the Taliban can use for crossing over in to Afghanistan and how dumb are the NATO/US and the afghan command in Afghanistan to not figure out this simple thing and pinpoint the crossing routes with accuracy?

#156 hamidm: the US and China and the rest of the world will perhaps find a balance on environmental issues in due course, as you say with touching confidence. but - so will the world find a solution for the mullah nutjobs.


So - if (per above) the same excuse you gave for not ranting about the environment applies equally to the mullah, then you cant rant about one and not the other. admit it - the fact is that mullahs and even their tinpot handlers are a joke compared to the real problems of rising seas and unchecked nanotechnologies. and you would rather deal with the jokes on chowk than with the real problems.

#141 Posted by pavocavalry

“The USA aims at instilling docility timidity and meekness in the Islamic world ! Waziristan is one decisive testing area in this exercise !”

Major Amin,
You are one prime example of what the low level Army officers’ mindset is and that is one big reason for me to argue here that the Pak army in toto needs a major overhaul.

Can you translate docility, timidity and meekness in the Islamic world in political terms?

Am I supposed to laugh at the joke that “waziristan is one decisive testing area in this exercise”? Go ahead and show me some reasons behind your statement so that I can take them out one by one!

Waziristan before the afghan crisis was a known drugs manufacturing area. The tribes excelled in stealing cars and supplying Hashish to the rest of Pakistan. What in your opinion was Islamic about that?

Wazirstan is nothing more than a mustard seed when we start counting problems all over the world. Nor are the tribes pal bearers of Islam. So forget that Wazirstan is some decisive testing area. It is an area which is manipulated by both the US and Pakistan to continue that area as one raison d'etre for international intervention in that region.

One of the reason the tribes are upset about the set up in Afghanistan is that now the Northern Alliance of Hamid karzai controls the drug trade in Afghanistan and not the Pakistani tribesmen.

Tribes don’t have the political or the military muscle to change anything there. They will continue to remain a pawn of the Pak army.

masadi: and one more thing. musharraf needs to pay his peons more to switch the blame to the US elite and absolve him - mush pays peanuts, and so all he gets is losers (as described below) like you.

what is a masadi? a wage slave to the same "US elite" (by his own admission) hypocrite (as he has conclusively demonstrated three times over on the IK board). The more you try to apply this adjectives to others, the more you prove what measly little hypocrite you are!! Cheers. :-)

Now as I go do other stuff and say"later" to you all, tahmed and his chaprasee can busy themselves by redflagging my posts, which will probably result in my suspension for a day or two, so later everyone....

kulharee writes "Your modus operandi is nothing but the hatred of the west. "

Nonsense, you don't have what it takes to reply to my posts that is why you find it so hard to put together a sensible post. Everyone here knows the vast gap between our intellectual levels by the posts we have made.

Regarding hatred of the west, that is more BS. Those who don't worship the West do no necessarily hate it. My hatred is reserved for those elite that have enslaved both the West and the East, you know it but deliberately hide it for two reasons, one because it is the truth and you are afraid of the truth and two, you don't have the intellectual level required to counter what I say....

Masadi the reason my post didn’t make any sense was because I was pretending to be imitating you. Your posts do not make any sense. Your modus operandi is nothing but the hatred of the west.

Kulharee, you need to possess half a brain to reword something, what you wrote makes absolutely zero sense, and does not apply either to the Pakistan case or the case of the global political economy

Similarly you write "Masadi, what you wrote in Yaseer’s article was beyond despicable, no one expect any thing better from you anyway, but that was really cheap. I wish your dad had lived a bit longer to teach you some manners. "


Nothing I wrote was "dispicable or beyond", what I wrote showed sincerity and class. I wrote explicitly that I was putting aside my differences with him to offer him my condolences and I agreed with his father's views on ZAB. He took that opportunity, the snake that he is, to attack me for no reason and suggest that I lacked "humanity". I will not stand for that, mourning or no mourning...

There are some people who lead a pathetic existence, they sell out their own people as the grovel in front of those they worship for personal benefit. Then as they harm and help kill their own people they try to convince those they are harming (in our case the Pakistanis) that they are "sincere" to them. Tahmed is such a person. He worships unconditionally, the US elite, he was cheerleading for the Iraq war before it began, he was blaming the Hizbullah for last year's Israeli carnage in Lebanon, and in his Iraq war support piece he talks nostaligically about how the "Anglo Saxon Ethos" of the colonizers of India was so great and superior to the Dutch colonizers.

People like him are rejected by his own kind because the people sooner or later realize the spineless nature of these kind of worthless folk, and what is equally pathetic about the existence of such people is that no matter how much they bow and kiss the behind of their "gods", in Tahmed's case, the white elite who have enslaved the world, they are never acceptible to their "gods", they are treated as Horse S*** by the objects of their worship and considered Horse S*** by the people they harm on their behalf...

The fact is that army can be beaten only by another army. This was amply proved by 1971 war in East Pakistan. Even Mujib having all out support of the people would not have possibly succeeded in defeating the Paki army without the support of the Indian Army.

Masadi writes #151-2098 “Jihadis are mere unwitting low level puppets the high level puppets, the boys in uniform are the ones who hop to and used by the real puppet masters, the US elite.”

More BS from this loser peon of Islam. Let me reword his BS to make it more factual:

"Jihadis are mere unwitting low level puppets, the high level puppets, the boys in uniform are the ones who hop to and used by the real puppet masters, the US elite. But what makes them to be so venerable to this asslick is their Arab and Islamic sensibility. Had the bastards (including Mo bi Qus) from the Arabia not come to have brought their filth to North India, things will not be the same.” Down with friggin Arab imperialism and assbackward filthy belief system.”

There, now it is more factual. Without the Arbi Islami connection, the "boys in uniform" would have surrendered to the people of Pakistan in a week or two, as has been their long tradition, like Gia ul Schmuk and Ya Hiya Khan, and Tika Kabab Khan aka butcher of Baluchistan surrendered to the people of Pakistan.

Masadi, what you wrote in Yaseer’s article was beyond despicable, no one expect any thing better from you anyway, but that was really cheap. I wish your dad had lived a bit longer to teach you some manners.

Tahmed or his chaprasee redflagged my post again, can you belive this? They are so mortally afraid of the truth and anything that reveals the ugly face of their masters.

Anyway, in #160 read "the boys in uniform are the ones who hop to and used by the real puppet masters, the US elite"

as "the boys in uniform are the ones who hop to and are used by the real puppet masters, the US elite

tahmed writes "#150 jehadis are mere unwitting puppets. the puppeteer are the same boys in uniform who gave the world..drum roll...the Taliban!!"

More BS from this peon of the West. Let me reword his BS to make it more factual:

"Jihadis are mere unwitting low level puppets, the high level puppets, the boys in uniform are the ones who hop to and used by the real puppet masters, the US elite. The high level puppets (the boys in uniform) used the same structure developed and left by the US elite, that ensured the Mujihideen victory, to give the world...drumroll....the Taliban.

There, now it is more factual. Without US support, the "boys in uniform" would have surrendered to the people of Pakistan in a week or two, as has been their long tradition....

tahmed writes "#150 jehadis are mere unwitting puppets. the puppeteer are the same boys in uniform who gave the world..drum roll...the Taliban!!"

More BS from this peon of the West. Let me reword his BS to make it more factual:

"Jihadis are mere unwitting low level puppets, the high level puppets, the boys in uniform are the ones who hop to and used by the real puppet masters, the US elite. The high level puppets (the boys in uniform) used the same structure developed and left by the US elite, that ensured the Mujihideen victory, to give the world...drumroll....the Taliban.

There, now it is more factual. Without US support, the "boys in uniform" would have surrendered to the people of Pakistan in a week or two, as has been their long tradition....

tahmed writes "HP: You hit the nail on the head!! Lawless military generals have become the biggest danger to Pakistan."

I can see that tahmed and his chaprasee are back so my post like #147, a quite fact based post was redflagged. I hope the chowk staff people understand these shenanigans of peons of the West and the censorship they want to implement around the globe.

That taken care of, Generals, as HP knows well and so do you, are on a lower rung of the problem. What feeds them is on the top most rung and that is the US elite. Their support and use of the Pakistan Army, which is actually a US occupation force indigeneously staffed, is the "nail in the head", but of course being a peon of the West tahmed will always try to mask the barbarism of his masters...

Re: # 154 Posted by hamidm2 on December 26, 2007 3:46:09 pm
[Re: # 151 urstruly, ........ most people like electricity, videos and a clean shave .......]

Are you sure? There could be a whole lot more than what meets your eye. Some people just don't give a hoot about this worldly stuff.

Re: # 155

tahmed,

..... i don't discuss pollution, global warming and the mating habits of the boll weevil ! ....... i beleive that like the usa, china will figure out how to maintain a balance ..... twenty five years ago, you could not swim in most of the great lakes and the tree huggers were going nuts over the dead fish - today you can drink out of them without a problem .........

Hamidm: agree though that the Chinese emergence is perhaps the most positive development in recent years.

The issue though no longer is cherys vs chevys. it is whether mankind chokes in the mess it has created in its own pool, or gets its act together in time and survives. even the neo-cons clowns like gingrich have figured this out - gingrich has a new book out on the environment - and true to form has changed history to make Bush and large companies appear as te environmentalist and the democrats as the polluters!!

Re: # 151

urstruly,

.... you remind me of the proverbial cat dreaming of scraps from the butcher ....... dream on ! ....... the fact of the matter is that even the most lowly fauji knows that there is no future with the cave dwelling jihadis ........ most people like electricity, videos and a clean shave .......

#150 jehadis are mere unwitting puppets. the puppeteer are the same boys in uniform who gave the world..drum roll...the Taliban!!

HP: You hit the nail on the head!! Lawless military generals have become the biggest danger to Pakistan.

Re: # 142 Pavocavalry


Waziristan may be the testing area to impose US's neo-colonial designs upon the Muslim world but I do not think that the situation is that hopeless. While history has any lesson then Waziristan may become yet another burial ground of yet another empire but what I really see as the turning point in the equation between the citizens of Pakistan and the US loyalists aka fouj and the corrupt ruling elite is the defection of a significant portion of the fouj itself. The so called loyalists of neo-empire have created a myth around this misinformation that there has never been a defection is fouj at mass scale and fouj in general would never side with the citizens on the matters of law and constitution. They, however, conveniently ignore the defection in the East Pakistan Rifles when Bengali officers and jawans wiped off each and every non Bengali officer and their families (3000+) when citizens rose up against fouj in East Pakistan.

The recent bombing of Zarrar company of SSG in Tarbella - the company that spearheaded the massacre of school children in Islamabad - clearly indicates that it was an insider job and a adeadly fissure is emerging in the fouj itself. I think it would be anyones guess that as the defecting elements in fouj will perceive Swat, FATA, and NATA as the safe refuge after defection, the rate of defection will rise exponentially. I think it is written on the wall that with in fouj itself a pressure cooker is simmering and a significant part of fouj is on the verge of saying fukkit to all this and rise up against this "voluntary" acceptance of defeat, meekness, and timidity on part of corrupt and lawless fouji and civilian elite. The emergence of power vacuum is self-evident.

Re: # 149

zeemax,

.... i don't know what you mean by the chery example .... chery is still a long ways off from becoming a global player - they have been talking about entering the us market since 2005 and just put off entering the european market next year (they are not ready for prime time -yet) ..... with 300,000 units in 2006 they rank 24th globally and fifth in china where FAW and SAIC are much bigger players ........ actually i wouldn't be surprised if chery is merged into one of the two in 2008 ....... their real growth is the domestic market which is expected to grow to 15m in 5 years ........

..... having said that, it is a matter of time before some chinese automaker makes it as a global player ..... right now they don't have to - the domestic market will absorb all they can produce .......

....... in any case, like i said before, everyone will win except for the jihadis ...... the global market offers unlimited opportunity for everyone who loves life more than they love death - afterlife markets are a big unkown ...........

#146 Posted by hamidm2,

Did you come around to my view after my Chery (Chevy) example? It's fine as long as you did :)

Except for the last para ... but you're a real dheet one if I ever saw one!

Anil Saheb,

I glanced through your response but didn't find an answer to the key question I had asked. I promise to read again tomorrow as it may be in there somewhere.

The question was:

Dollar drop against some currencies is immaterial for US. It has only pushed up the price of French wines and German BMWs. Has it dropped against the Japanese Yen? If not, why not? We can only go further if you answer this.

Dollar dropped steeply against the Euro, Swiss Franc, Canadian Dollar, Aussie, Kiwi ... even the SA Rand and the Polish Zloty, but stayed put against the Japanese Yen. Mind you, all these currencies are free-floating. If Dollar drops, Yen must rise. It didn't. Why? Which theory supports that?

The answer is simply US consumption. Japanese goods cannot be dearer in USA because Dollar has fallen all over the world against every single major currency. Yen is a special case. Japan is a US colony. They set the rate where US wants it to be. Unfortunately China will not comply.

That's just 'one' Achilles heel. But there's another which I promised not to tell you. And I won't :)

hamid writes "pardon me for being a traditionalist..."

You're not being a traditionalist, you're trying to imitate being a red neck a few steps away from having the intellect of white trailer trash. That is the propaganda they have been fed by the corporations, i.e. what is good for the corporations (i.e fleecing the people) is actually good for the people (who are being robbed blind). And the fools buy into it, just because they get to drive a Harley and piss down their life's earnings does not mean they are either well off, independant or intelligent...

zeemax/anil,

..... pardon me for being a traditionalist, but i still believe in alfred p. sloan .... he said: "what is fgood for gm, is good for america" ......... and the chinese believe it too .......

from forbes:

Asked which automaker will win China, more than one analyst or accountant says simply, "China will win."

Yes, the world's fastest-growing auto market tantalizes automakers with its potential for growth and profits. American automakers see China as a growth market that could help make up for falling profits at home. They aren't alone. Japanese and European carmakers also have high hopes for China. Volkswagen (otc: VLKAY - news - people ), Europe's largest car company, now sells more cars in China than it does in its home market of Germany.

But the real beneficiary of the automotive investment will be China itself, which is building its own car business with the help of foreign investors, who, according to a law stipulating that an individual foreign investor may not own more than 50% of a Chinese manufacturer, must partner with Chinese companies to enter the market.

Thanks to advantageous laws like this one and the financial and regulatory backing of the government, as well as China's growing economy, low labor costs and enormous population, the Chinese automotive landscape could ultimately resemble that of Japan or South Korea: developed with the help of the West, with Western investors gradually reduced to minor players. Today there are more than a dozen state-run automakers in China.




................. basd on personal experience, i can tell you that gm sold its soul to the devil when it set up saic - today china owns all the technology that gm brought to the table ..... it is the price gm was willing to pay for a share of the market ....... and it is the same with other idustries ........

having said that, it is not a zero sum gain ......... everyone wins except for the suicidal jihadis who think someone has to loose in orde for them to win .........

Zeemax sahib:

All I can say you are deconstructing the picture, and your reconstruction that China can induce inflation, and can crash the U.S. economy does not hold water. Nothing that you have written seals it.

I pointed some fallacies, and you asked me to itemize them and I did. By no means I am an expert. Your answers are still contracdictory and will not construct an argument in support of your basic statement.

My answers will only digress the debate still further. If you believe it so strongly and have the leanings, I do not know if I am in any position to suggest to you that you please advise Al Qaida to immediately get hold of President of China.

I know the secular trends that I have listed are systematically unleashed by dollar drop and inflation.

You keep implying that China will be an isolated economy. You continue stressing, with no base that China will seed LDCs before its domestic consumption. When China as successful as it is in capturing market share in the bulk of the world with its products from 10% of China, will ignore the pathetic purchasing power in 90% China, and go on to first increase purchasing power in LDCs and then sell its prduct. This is absurd and flies in the face of reality.

China's great departed leader, Deng Xio Ping is on record that coastal China has till 2020 after that commnad and control restrictions on lanor movements, and rural Chinese being paid in IOUs for their farm products would create uprising and will not work.

China wants to be in WTO. Seeding domestic consumption is eminent to avoid uprisings. It is cheaper than first increasing the purchasing power and then selling to LDCs. You may not know that Nokia's largest market in the world is not in LDCs or the U.S., it is China.

Your wrong assumptions distort all arguments you present. Another false assumption is that communist commmand and control on market is permanent. It is not.

10% Coastal China will not be able to subjugate 90% internal China forever. Another majorly wrong assumption on your part. It will loose economic leadership and create chaos. Properity and progress has not come because of 90% inside China - never did never did in the past. You are implying that so what 10% is annhilated, 90% inside will support.

Such regressive thinking is often demonstrated by fundamentalists of all shades and colors, gives me shivers. It is similar to the last loosing argument they offer that if they go back to old ways (in this case old ways are still there in 90% China) will be great.

This statement is blind of the truth that once that darn 90% was 100%. And it did not work.

Reformed 10% has catapulted China, 90% still remains drag.

You have extended my opium trade example in wrong direction. I would keep pointing that Chinese despite injustices did not wear suicide belts and blow up in mosque full of people praying on an important festival.

They surely gained a world advantage though 10% of China. Imagine what can be if remainder is brought in, rather 10% is destroyed in the process of inducing inflation in the pockets their trading partner who buys and pays in its currency.

All indications are contrary to what you imply the world is getting more intertwined not less. China will get and will want to get more intertwined. This is the natural to reap after building a very significant competitive advantage.

Now coming to your answer on Musharraff. It baffles me even more. You say he is doing a good job, but he will loose.

I must then ask that if are you a true Pakistani, why would you want him to loose? Why would you not want more Musharraff's be created?

If I were you, I would precisely be asking for more Musharraffs, not conspire him to defeat him. Then I am not a Pakistani and do not understand the psyche. I do like Iqbal's, Faiz and Mehdi Hassan.

I make a following prediction, and I will buy you a beer, if does not roll out in post election Pakistan.

Musharraff has created a great position internationally. He has played very well in the guessing game with the U.S., and collecting and acting on guesses, and managing what is delivered to the U.S. in return.

He will do exactly the same domestically. He will have three options, PML-Q and alliance, PML-N and PPP. I could not believe what I read BB shouting that Nazim's are PML-Q guys and will hire temp police force for 3 days. Zeemax sahib, say eveything but do not say that people in other democracy build grass root level support in any other way. Public prosecutors, after all are hired and fired in America also.

These three parties or their alliances, according to what Romair posted earlier will have approximately the similar seats. No one paty will have a clear majority. He will negotiate with one or two to partner. His only term will be accept him as the president for the next five years. This would mean convert all the ordinances he signed during emergncy into legislation.

If these partners deliver it with Iftikar Chaudhury or whoever, he would care less. End justifies the means, Zeemax sahib.

I must take leave. It was very nice talking to you, and enjoyed it.

Zeemax yaar, it is not that dire as you predict. fromwhat I have seen, PE groups are already seeking manufacturing bases out of china, into the frontier and other markets. Vietnam and Malaysia are going to figure prominent, India is also in teh fray. latin america is also growing but you hardly hear it. Capital markets in Latin america are decades ahead of china ion instrument sophistication, liquidity adn technology.

None of this happens overnight. US is not going anywhere. China doesn't have the US "by the balls"...China is not the only creditor to the US. Japan. Arabs and even India hold tremendous reserves in US $. All these countries will find balance to make it work..an implosion or explosion in the US is not happening. China is well on its way to join the leagues of the big boys..and good for them. this is not done in a vaccum. Their trade policies and monetary policies will have to tempered with American wishes. It is not and should not be an us vs. them..if that is so..China will lose.

... but I think I missed answering your central question, as to how inflation induced by the Chinese can crash US economy.

US consumer is now embedded in cheap Chinese goods. No where else in the world can it find a substitute because labour costs are controlled in China while every other exporter including India is a free market economy. If China has enough markets to take up its production and its US exports peter off, there will be a massive drop in consumer spending in the US. You like to use the word 'lifeblood' or something like that, consumer spending is the 'lifeblood' of US economy. If that goes, the phenomenon of 'stagflation' will occur for which the Fed cannot do anything but cut rates till zero, for domestic production to pick up, but even if it succeeds, will that production be as cheap? Perhaps, but only in a 1929 scenario.

There won't be an alternative but to find production from elsewhere as cheap as the Chinese one for americans to buy.

And where might that come from? Only through occupation of China. No other way.

Cheers till tomorrow!

The Mahsuds know fighting and have fought well whether it was Flanders or East Africa or whether it was against the British colonials ! Between 1914 and 1918 they killed 246 British soldiers and their Indian camp follower mercenary soldiers , capturing 400 rifles ! 180 major crimes in 1915 alone with 100 victims dead and 93 fat Hindu moneylenders and businessmen kidnapped ! In April and May 1917 the Mahsuds had bagged 207 in killed , nearly all regular army men both British and Indian , wounded some 140 and captured some 238 excellent standard British Indian Army issue Lee Enfield Rifles ! All with force of conviction backed by tremendous stalking skills and some Lee Enfield Rifles ! The Mahsuds serving in the British Indian Army did equally well ! They bayoneted a British officer at Bombay ! The British exasperated at their inability to instill timidity docility and meekness in the Mahsuds unlike many other races of Indo Pak Muslims declared that “ Mahsuds were a byword for unreliability” ! Many deserted to the Turkish and German lines in France , Egypt and Mesopotamia returning to Waziristan to carry on the real war against the colonial masters !The British were thus forced to disband most of the ten pure Mahsud companies of the Indian Army after the First World War !



While 421,000 Acres were distributed in West Punjab as Jangi Inams to the more misguided , pliable mercenaries in the Chenab and Bari Doab , for fighting against the Turk Muslims , the tribal areas were gifted with more forts , aerial bombing and destruction of whole villages ! It is an irony that these tribals figure nowhere in the history textbooks in Pakistani schools simply because no Wazir or Mahsud writes books for the various text book boards ! What is happening in Wana is a mere continuation of that story ! In 1919 the enemy was the British Empire , today it is the American Empire !



The Tribals do not have sons living in Boston or brothers working in American corporations barring few exceptions ! Their life script is not a green card or a Canadian Visa in the best tradition of “ Hop Step and Jump” from Lucknow , Karachi to Toronto ! They are not interested in pleasing glorified section officers of state department , sheepishly and obsequiously referred to as US Assistant Secretaries of States by the Pakistani Foreign Office !



The tribesemen are the men who resolutely charged the British Indian troops armed with Gatling Machine guns and Breach loading artillery guns with knives and muzzle loaders ! The British were so deeply disturbed that they lost faith in their weapons ! British officers rationalized their failures by alleging that their rifles lacked stopping power to check the tribal charges ! It was stated at staff debriefings that the then new caliber 303 lacked the stopping power of the previous caliber 457 rifle ! Secret forensic tests were then carried out on the corpses of Pathan Mullahs who had been already executed by firing squads using various types of ammunition ! Today we hear of corpses of Chechens being sent for DNA tests ! Perhaps to discover how to make them as docile timid and meek as soldiers from many US vassal Islamic states !



On one dark March 1915 night Jemadar Mir Mast Afridi another indomitable tribal from Tirah made history not by shamelessly collaborating with the British to get some squares in Chenab colony like many from rain irrigated areas of Gujar Khan , but by deserting with 14 other Afridis to the German lines in France ! Mir Mast was awarded a very high German gallantry award Iron Cross by a personality no other than the German Kaiser and then sent to Tirah to carry on the Jihad against the British !



The Mahsuds and Wazirs are masters of ambush , raid and concealment ! They know the regular military tactics on their finger tips since many are ex servicemen , deserters or descendants of freedom fighters ! They may not know the art of getting a good ACR or pleasing multiple bosses starting from those in uniform till US state department clerks or section officers , but they know how to polish off one man with one round !



The tribesmen do not need three inches of neat whiskey to raise their spirits ! They rely on their faith in God or on some cigarettes fortified with Cannabis in case of the less pious ones ! They do not speak the Pashto of Mardan or Nowshera corrupted by ease and luxury thanks to Upper and Lower Swat Canals or easy jobs in the Nowshera Garrison !



What is happening in Waziristan today is no clash of terrorists with loyalists ! Loyalists certainly on one side but no terrorists opposing them ! If Loyalism is toeing the US State Department line then anyone opposing this line cannot be dubbed as a terrorist ! One may ask the US loyalists that where was their Islam when sons of middle class Jullundhur Pathan generals were smuggling Stingers to UAE or when grandsons of military tailors from Jullundhur were playing in millions stashed in UK bank accounts ! At that time Waziristan was El Dorado and today the Geo TV calls it a haven of terrorists !

This is a clash of two philosophies of life ! One that values the freedom of man and another that is enslaved by green cards , palatial bungalows and dominated by social climbers ! One consisting of descendants of freedom fighters and another consisting of descendants of economic migrants or recipients of Jangi Inams in Chenab Colony !



The USA aims at instilling docility timidity and meekness in the Islamic world ! Waziristan is one decisive testing area in this exercise !

The Mahsuds know fighting and have fought well whether it was Flanders or East Africa or whether it was against the British colonials ! Between 1914 and 1918 they killed 246 British soldiers and their Indian camp follower mercenary soldiers , capturing 400 rifles ! 180 major crimes in 1915 alone with 100 victims dead and 93 fat Hindu moneylenders and businessmen kidnapped ! In April and May 1917 the Mahsuds had bagged 207 in killed , nearly all regular army men both British and Indian , wounded some 140 and captured some 238 excellent standard British Indian Army issue Lee Enfield Rifles ! All with force of conviction backed by tremendous stalking skills and some Lee Enfield Rifles ! The Mahsuds serving in the British Indian Army did equally well ! They bayoneted a British officer at Bombay ! The British exasperated at their inability to instill timidity docility and meekness in the Mahsuds unlike many other races of Indo Pak Muslims declared that “ Mahsuds were a byword for unreliability” ! Many deserted to the Turkish and German lines in France , Egypt and Mesopotamia returning to Waziristan to carry on the real war against the colonial masters !The British were thus forced to disband most of the ten pure Mahsud companies of the Indian Army after the First World War !



While 421,000 Acres were distributed in West Punjab as Jangi Inams to the more misguided , pliable mercenaries in the Chenab and Bari Doab , for fighting against the Turk Muslims , the tribal areas were gifted with more forts , aerial bombing and destruction of whole villages ! It is an irony that these tribals figure nowhere in the history textbooks in Pakistani schools simply because no Wazir or Mahsud writes books for the various text book boards ! What is happening in Wana is a mere continuation of that story ! In 1919 the enemy was the British Empire , today it is the American Empire !



The Tribals do not have sons living in Boston or brothers working in American corporations barring few exceptions ! Their life script is not a green card or a Canadian Visa in the best tradition of “ Hop Step and Jump” from Lucknow , Karachi to Toronto ! They are not interested in pleasing glorified section officers of state department , sheepishly and obsequiously referred to as US Assistant Secretaries of States by the Pakistani Foreign Office !



The tribesemen are the men who resolutely charged the British Indian troops armed with Gatling Machine guns and Breach loading artillery guns with knives and muzzle loaders ! The British were so deeply disturbed that they lost faith in their weapons ! British officers rationalized their failures by alleging that their rifles lacked stopping power to check the tribal charges ! It was stated at staff debriefings that the then new caliber 303 lacked the stopping power of the previous caliber 457 rifle ! Secret forensic tests were then carried out on the corpses of Pathan Mullahs who had been already executed by firing squads using various types of ammunition ! Today we hear of corpses of Chechens being sent for DNA tests ! Perhaps to discover how to make them as docile timid and meek as soldiers from many US vassal Islamic states !



On one dark March 1915 night Jemadar Mir Mast Afridi another indomitable tribal from Tirah made history not by shamelessly collaborating with the British to get some squares in Chenab colony like many from rain irrigated areas of Gujar Khan , but by deserting with 14 other Afridis to the German lines in France ! Mir Mast was awarded a very high German gallantry award Iron Cross by a personality no other than the German Kaiser and then sent to Tirah to carry on the Jihad against the British !



The Mahsuds and Wazirs are masters of ambush , raid and concealment ! They know the regular military tactics on their finger tips since many are ex servicemen , deserters or descendants of freedom fighters ! They may not know the art of getting a good ACR or pleasing multiple bosses starting from those in uniform till US state department clerks or section officers , but they know how to polish off one man with one round !



The tribesmen do not need three inches of neat whiskey to raise their spirits ! They rely on their faith in God or on some cigarettes fortified with Cannabis in case of the less pious ones ! They do not speak the Pashto of Mardan or Nowshera corrupted by ease and luxury thanks to Upper and Lower Swat Canals or easy jobs in the Nowshera Garrison !



What is happening in Waziristan today is no clash of terrorists with loyalists ! Loyalists certainly on one side but no terrorists opposing them ! If Loyalism is toeing the US State Department line then anyone opposing this line cannot be dubbed as a terrorist ! One may ask the US loyalists that where was their Islam when sons of middle class Jullundhur Pathan generals were smuggling Stingers to UAE or when grandsons of military tailors from Jullundhur were playing in millions stashed in UK bank accounts ! At that time Waziristan was El Dorado and today the Geo TV calls it a haven of terrorists !

This is a clash of two philosophies of life ! One that values the freedom of man and another that is enslaved by green cards , palatial bungalows and dominated by social climbers ! One consisting of descendants of freedom fighters and another consisting of descendants of economic migrants or recipients of Jangi Inams in Chenab Colony !



The USA aims at instilling docility timidity and meekness in the Islamic world ! Waziristan is one decisive testing area in this exercise !

#137 Posted by zeemax on December 26, 2007 11:41:52 am


They are not dependent on exports because 90% of China still has a fixed wage system and state enterprise.


Are you for real?

Why don't you visit china and tell this to a chinese person.

The assertion is that Pakistan Army and USA can easily cut the taliban Line of communication is also incorrect.

1-The USA has less than 10,000 active troops in Afghanistan able to act as interdictors.20,000 are committed in admin,line duties etc.Of the 1900 KM frontier in which Talibans are active just 300 KM is actively cordoned by Pakistan Army.

2-The major Taliban area of ops Helmand and Kandahar which is more than 600 kilometres long has no Pakistan Army troops.

3-Terrain wise sealing Afghan Pak border is near impossible.

The article carries many major factual and analytical errors:--

1-The writer refers to Northern Tribal Areas.This is an absolutely new term ! Waziristan the main area of insurgency is not in the North but south of NWFP.Both North and South Waziristan Agency.

2-The writer states that British had good relations with tribes.Absolute nonsense.No connection with facts.Between 1848 and 1947 the British had to launch more than 500 expeditions against the NWFP tribes.In 1947 the British were maintaining more than 2 regular army divisons in tribal areas apart from FC.

3-The writer states that settled areas were more anti British.Absolute nonsense.In First World War tribals led the anti British movement.Mahsuds of 130 Infantry bayoneted a British officer.Mir Mast Afridi defected with 14 Afridis to Germans in France and was awarded Iron Cross by Kaiser.After First World War Afridi and Mahsud rdruitment was severely reduced in Indian Army since they were regarded as disloyal.

4-After partition tribals were OK because Jinnah wisely withdrew all the army from tribal areas.

5-Its a new assertion we are hearing that tribals from Pakistwn were fighting in Afghanistan.All major Afghan parties were Afghan based in manpower.I am living in Kabul for last four years and have had continuous interaction with many tribals since 1979.A Pashtun from Pakistan is instantly picked up by his dialect and even the way he dresses.

6-The political reality is that Pakistan is having no genuine political party ready to deliver the goods.The writer has given a rather simplistic solution without a solid rationale.

7-Its a repitition of what Hussain Haqqani has written in Between mosque and military.

#128 Posted by anil,

You raised the point that Chinese can cause crash in the U.S. economy through inducing inflation.

Yes I did Sir.

1. it is naive and based on anger and emotions.

It is based on none of the above.

2. two economies are interwined.

For the start yes, but that's not the Chinese plan for these to remain intertwined.

3. inflation will disturb exchange rate mechanisms that would harm China.

Inflation in US? Or China? If you mean inflation in US,it will strengthen Yuan against USD (Real Effective Exchange rates are determined by inflation differentials).If you mean inflation in China, that will weaken Yuan and make it even more export competitive.

The competitive advantage of the Chinese is around 40% despite the 12%appreciation of their currency in 2 years. Unless inflation in USA exceeds 40%, the Chinese will still have a cost advantage built into the exchange rate.

4. Growth in LDC markets requires seeding, even then it will not be a substitute for loss of share in the U.S. market. Chinese are no more benevolent than European colonialist to do things in LDCs purely out of goodness of Chinese heart. There priority is limited to securing supply energy and resources, not developing consumer demand for their products and services in LDCs.

You need to remember China is still a communist country. It is a centrally planned economy. There is no compulsion of monetary policy or market behaviour. They are not dependent on exports because 90% of China still has a fixed wage system and state enterprise. All they need exports for is for import coverage. I suggest you look at their trade surplus and see how much exports they can easily sacrifice for influence in LDCs.

5. Chinese will seed domestic consumption before LDC.

No they won't. They will encourage domestic consumption only when they can produce enough domestically and not to be reliant on imports.

6. Chinese are more vulnerable to inflationary pressures than they can harm.

That's true to some extent. Inflation in China is high and they do not manage it through manipulation of their exchange policy regime. All the export dollars are bought by their central bank and paid-for in domestic currency, which adds to the aggregate money supply and results in inflation. But they're happy with it. They don't want to hike rates to curb inflation but instead do it through subsidies for essential items from the national exchequer. No one is complaining.

7. U.S. currency is more than U.S. currency, it is also the currency for cross-border transactions, and therefore blood of the world economy.

Correct. But the value of the USD does not matter to US domestically, which is why it has fallen this year due to the interest rate policy of the Fed (see the current account deficit reducing as a result). It does however matter to everyone else. There's something called the 'Bretton Woods II'. The LDC exporters to US have no choice but to prop USD up against their own currencies. So I agree that it won't collapse.

8. Its devaluation (which would be inevitable due to induced inflation) will tilt the flow of this blood in favor of the U.S. and not China.

See above. The domestic market in US is large enough so that dollar ups and downs do not impact it. They might sell more aviation and defense equipment, but that's about all. Dollar's fall or rise does not make any difference to the domestic US consumer.

9. Any such attempt by China will wipe its reserves faster than they can crash the U.S. economy.

You mean my comment re shift of China's exports elsewhere? Firstly it won't hit it's reserves at all given their present strategy. Please study the pattern of Chinese exports to EU. Secondly, even if it does, it doesn't matter for China because US tre