Benazir Bhutto Killed in an Attack

Zeemax #431

Yaar, what difference does it make how she died. The absolute immediate cause of death is always heart failure, isn't it? Bullet, bomb or blunt force; she was murdered. If I hit you on the head and you fall into a pond, does it matter if the autopsy surgeon says that you actually drowned? That the blow merely knocked you unconscious? Why would the autopsy surgeon saying that drowning was the cause of death mean that there was a coverup?

Re: # 438

Hindoo is indeed the enemy - in a theological sphere... outside that - not that much...

for YLH, when things go bad, nearest folks to come to his aid would probably be hinuds... see - even jinnah(pubh) wanted to come back to Bombay to live out his last days among hinuds... :)

mohar11,

I would have liked to believe that you are not the enemy, but I'm sorry Dr. Mohar, the Hindoo 'is' the enemy.

The Hindoo has his fingers all over this.

ijaz_gul,

Did you have a chance to look at the photo I posted on UP of inside of the Landcruiser?

TAhmed32
If I were Asif Zardari and I had doubt, I would ask for post mortem.
But does it matter if bullet missed her, or sharpnel did not hit her.
The question should be who is behind those missed bullet and missed sharpnel?

ylh

If a towering personality like BB couldn't surive - what chance a small fly like you have?... be careful...

These theories are educating me to know who is who especially the ones about skull/handle.

RE: Other posts:

ZAB's legacy is, at best, a mixed one. Many of us conveniently forget things like the Federal Security Force and the terrorization of his opponents, the nationalization of banks, schools and industrial firms, the lateral entry scheme into the CSP, etc, etc. Against that he did raise Pakistan's international profile....

I think the cons outweigh the pros....

I have never had a good word to say about Gen. Zia. What I said was that he merely implemented what ZAB started. No ZAB fan can deny that the 1973 Constitution is the most overtly Islamist Pakistani constitution and firmly enshrines the Sharia as the only source of legislation for Pakistan. For example, while Zia brought in Islamic Bankikng and Finance in Pakistan, it was the Constitution that mandates the abolition of Riba. While Zia instituionalized systematic discrimination against Ahmadis, it is the 1973 Constitution that declares them nonMuslim.

As far as Jinnah goes, of course he used Islam to mobilize the masses. So what? Gandhi used Hinduism to mobilize his masses. Neither Jinnah nor Nehru wanted to legislate on the basis of Islam or Hinduism. There is a difference, you know.

Re: # 428 ylh

Sad demise of BB should be a reminder for you... stay away from paki politics... otherwise, things may not workout very well for you... with your penchant for running your mouth too much on secularoon stuff - who knows?...

Despite of zee's sweet talks - be careful about him... he doesn't take secularoon stuff that well... he already told you - you haven't recognized who the enemy is... :)

#429 Posted by fuzair,

Fuzair, I would like to remind through you my friend SR, whose naive views you're promoting, that Islamabad is exactly 20 minutes from Pakistan.

Re: # 427 YLH

So now I am enemy too?... even if I kicked your ### once a while doesn't mean I am an enemy... :)

Anyhoo - speaking of "thrilled by misfortune" - I still remember the headlines - "7 of marriage party killed by freedom fighters"... The said freedom fighters were dispatched by BB - you yourselves said kashmir jihad was very close to Bhutto heart... So I am just returning the favor...

See - you pakis have to learn to fight like men... you got to stop whining when you are paid back in the same coin... be brave... a lot of bad things are coming down the road...

I'm copying SR's post on another thread since it addresses the issue of the direct cause of death. I agree with him that it is irrelvant if she was shot, hit by shrapnel or died because of severe blunt force trauma; she was assasinated, period. No one in the govt is saying that she died of whiplash because her driver confused the accelerator for the brake, hit the gas really hard and she smashed her head on the moonroof.

#20 Posted by SR on December 28, 2007 9:43:07 pm
Re: # 17 rafi aamer ["...SR: Please tell me that you are not taking this version without a grain of salt. If you are, I have a bridge that I am selling for a very reasonable price. Let me know if you are interested..."]

Reality can be stranger than fiction.

I have spoken to the surgeon at the hospital where she was taken (he's a former classmate), he did not attended her himself, but he believes that she might have been saved had there been a trained neurosurgery team on hand immediately. She was unconscious and teetering at the edge of life when she was brought in and precious time had been lost already. The general surgeon who handled her case did not have extensive experience in head trauma management as would a neurosurgeon. She had a massive sub-dural hematoma which the surgeon on duty tried to relieve with a burr hole, but it was too little too late.

Also, curiously, mid-way to the hospital her vehicle stopped and two of her most trusted lieutenants transferred her into another private car and sped off to a different hospital then the one she would have been normally going to. This added an additional ten minutes to the driving time amid evening traffic. Why? On one knows.

These inconvenient pieces of news, of course, are not something that suit anyone's agenda, so they are ignored. Truth is unimportant when a more "suitable" narrative can pass for the truth. "Benazir Bhutto died due to inadequate medical facilities" just does not make good news copy, compared to "Champion of Freedom and Democracy Martyred by terrorists..." does it?

My surgeon friend (who by the way is a die hard PPP supporter) was very emphatic that there was a "depressed fracture of the skull" and there was "no exit wound" ... It is the "exit woulds" of a bullet that are the real tell-tale signs. X-rays revealed "no foreign body."

This is just the way it is. But the point is that this still is very much an assassination. She wouldn't have ducked (or thrown off due to the shock wave of the blast) had there not been an attempt on her life. So I don't understand why the resistence to accepting these facts. She was ASSASSINATED. Period. The cause of death was a depressed fracture of the skull, not a bullet or shrapnel.

The bullet wound reports earlier on WERE NOT coming from the attending surgeons but from "others" who had seen the blood spots on her injured body. Why emotions are high, imagination can take flight.

Right now some elements are causing disruptions in traffic by sneaking around and dropping off one or two burning tires on busy roads, which force the incompetent police to barricade the road that lead to traffic jams. All this gives the impression that law and order are breaking down because the TV comes and focuses on that particular spot, even though thirty minutes later its all clear. The TV plays along with it because only by stirring up mass anxiety can television (1) get viewers glued to the tube and (2) keep the advertisers paying good money. The rest is all hogwash.

...SR

Tahmed,

I have been out of it for the last three weeks since my father passed away.

It was only after the sad demise of Benazir Bhutto that I turned back to politics.

Will keep you posted though.

Zeemax,

People like devkant and mohar are far too insignificant and small to be the "enemy".

These armchair warriors and self styled deep sprung wells of wisdom are merely people with nothing much in their lives to look forward to... Hence they do what most scounderels of Indian origin do: try and feel good by assuming some sort of air of superiority.

So they get thrilled by our misfortunes ... But when reminded that the reality in the shitter they call shining India isn't any better they become blabbering fools. Observe.

#414 Posted by aquaris,

Yes all you narrated is true.

Zardari is trying to capitalize on Benazir's death and take control of the party.

You see, Political parties centered around charismatic personalities need family in the tradition of the original charisma.

Rest of the family are young, so zardari has started his manipulations.

Mumtaz Bhutto is old and the rest i.e. Fatima, Zulfiqar Jr, the most legitimate heirs, are still too young for that role. Zardari/Benazir's own kids are no material anyway. So it's Zardari against Murtaza Bhutto's side.

Let's see. I think the next head to roll will be Zardari's, but Bhutto will remain.

It's a good thing that Benazir died. She hogged and sidelined everyone else including her own mother and brother and betrayed ZAB's legacy. The next heirs will not. Enough is enough.

All must know PPP is Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, and no one else. Anyone who carries his legacy, will make history. Anyone who doesn't, will meet a terrible fate just as Benazir.

mantolives: welcome back to chowk. you have been nearer to the "action" in what we can rightly call I think the Pakistan Freedom Struggle than most of us. any experiences you wish to relate?