Preview of Looming Democracy - Two Months of PPP in the Limelight

hmmm lots to say...

firstly yes we all feel BB loss esp in a humanitarian way... re. the tensions after her loss this is sad, its horrible that punjos and mojos are getting their asses kicked for soemthing they didnt do... didnt the sindhis realise that the supporters at her rallies are also mojos and punjos???

it is true that ppp an bb have wide support throughout pakistan i remember reading a slogan on teh wall 'charo subo ki zancir benazir benazir' in Lahore, she did have support in all provinces... after her demise the way ppl have gone on about punjab needs to do this that and the next thing does nothing other than encite ethnic hatred i just hope and pray to God that we dont find ourselves in the ethnic fighting situation of the 80's and 90's... as much as i dont like the way musharraf has come to power and wants to keep it, at least in his rule (other than b'stan) we havent had this sort of sectarian remarks...

atif2 for once i agree 100% with your post you hit the nail on the head...

aur klifton khala, hasb'e ma'mool aap ke likhe huey se me sau fesad sehmat huN, aap ke durust kehno me danashmandi zahir haiN, khuda sada isse qaim rakhey ameen...

lodhi and akhan usa

what you guys are talking about already exists its called SAARC, and a unified monetary unit has been mentioned called the rupa (like euro) however our ppl will take generations to accept the rupa as common currency from maldives to bhutan...

re Karachi and mqm... mqm may have its base in karachi (not only among mojos now) but it is moving all over pakistan with offices in all provinces altaf bhai has realsied that he can now get votes from other provinces...

karachi in my opinion and experience is no longer a mojo city just like lahore is no longer a punjo only city... my punjo khala moved to karachi after she got married and lived there for 17 years wearing a sari and mainting her (in those days) lovely flat in some leafy karachi suburb (i was too young to remember the name) her kids grew up there and two were born there, they moved to saudia and then back to pak (isloo) they speak urdu like karachiites and speak punjabi only in sarcastic tones to take the piss out of us lot... they still identifiy with karachi just like my punjo cousins born and brought up in london speak english with a cockney accent and identify with london while i with scotland, anyone who has lived there, worked there, and contributed in a positive way to its economy becomes a karachiite regardless of their ethnicity, karachi is a world unto itself and doesnt (cant) belong to anyone ethnicity it is wholly pakistani and represents all the good in pak... unfortunately precisely because of this all of pakistans problems are going to be heightened in karachi too, and it will face the brunt of it in the coming days...

i dont care which ethnicity comes to power in pak, as long as we dont have sectarian violence and the poor ppl of pak actually get some education and health services... i just dont want this horrible punjo/sindhi/mojo/balochi/pathan bs to kick off its the last thing we need on top off all of the bombings etc.

i feel sad looking into the future cause i know either nvash beshareef or ppp will come into power and we will have unpurh pindo rule once again... and unpurh rule is always divisive and this is not what is needed at this moment...

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salim mian,

as much as i like you and can never get mad at you, i must say that i pity the poor jackass that cariied you into town this morning ...... it should have been the other way around - you should have been carrying the poor beast !

"A Sindhi ex-PM gets assassinated in Pindi, Punjab by a Punjabi suicide bomber, probably sent by Pashtun tribals from NWFP, and the PPP goons start murdering and burning Mohajirs in Karachi, Larkana, and Hyderabad. Just because a Mohajir dictator couldn't provide adequate security for her while she voluntarily stuck her neck out of the SUV. "

Salim Chauhan:

These days when there is overwhelming sympathy, tears for Benazir Bhutto (BB), people like to lionize and iconize her. But truth will slowly dawnn on thinking mind as the time goes by. just like after the death of John Kennedy. remember. Much later he was exposed for instance as a skirt chase!

My sympathies goes for her families in this tragedy. But remember BB was a chip of the old bloke-Ali Bhutto. She was pretty demogoguic, she sympathised with militant groups and never dismantled these militant fanatics. She even encouraged Taliban in Pakistan! Once I remember her coming back from Pak-controlled-Kashmir saying Pakistan will fight for Kashmiris for thousand years! There was a retort by then Indian P.M wondering if Pakistan would last 100 years if not 1000!

There was no democracy within PPP structure. She made herself "CHAIRPERSON' for life! , encouraged nepotism, made her husband minister for investment ( 10 percent man)! Now her 19 year son is the Chairperson of the party! 19 year teen ager! Did she really try for Kapda, Makan and roti for the poor of Pakistan?

Now she lies buried in a gleaming white marble mausoleum rivalling those of some vain and notorious Muslim rulers of mideval Hindoostan- that has cost millions of dollars! Go and see in Bijapur in S.India. Today you see in them few tourists and in the evening when light fades, only bats flying around!

Yet I give her good marks as she dremnt of installing democracy single handed. Ummmm!

What a story. Salaaam Yaar, Wa Salaam. Wa salaaam!
Kamath

Salim Chauhan:

These days when there is overwhelming sympathy, tears for Benazir Bhutto (BB), people like to lionize and iconize her. But truth will slowly dawnn on thinking mind as the time goes by. just like after the death of John Kennedy. remember. Much later he was exposed for instance as a skirt chase!

My sympathies goes for her families in this tragedy. But remember BB was a chip of the old bloke-Ali Bhutto. She was pretty demogoguic, she sympathised with militant groups and never dismantled these militant fanatics. She even encouraged Taliban in Pakistan! Once I remember her coming back from Pak-controlled-Kashmir saying Pakistan will fight for Kashmiris for thousand years! There was a retort by then Indian P.M wondering if Pakistan would last 100 years if not 1000!

There was no democracy within PPP structure. She made herself "CHAIRPERSON' for life! , encouraged nepotism, made her husband minister for investment ( 10 percent man)! Now her 19 year son is the Chairperson of the party! 19 year teen ager! Did she really try for Kapda, Makan and roti for the poor of Pakistan?

Now she lies buried in a gleaming white marble mausoleum rivalling those of some vain and notorious Muslim rulers of mideval Hindoostan- that has cost millions of dollars! Go and see in Bijapur in S.India. Today you see in them few tourists and in the evening when light fades, only bats flying around!

Yet I give her good marks as she dremnt of installing democracy single handed. Ummmm!

What a story. Salaaam Yaar, Wa Salaam. Wa salaaam!
Kamath

#45 akhanusa

Well it is an established fact of history that the indian subcontinent has always been one federation. Its boundaries have kept on changing all through its history & 60 or 70 years is not a big deal when you talk about 4000 years of history.

When studying the history of Indian subcontinent you will find that the best form of government it ever had is a federation of Indian States under a strong center. It has always been like that. From Ashoka to Akbar, Indian Sub has always been like this. Smaller sultanates & princely states will take an oath to the strong central ruler. These states were always free to make their own laws according to their own customs. However they have to give the central king a certain amount of money & services & thus will become part of his bigger kingdom. In return the central king will defend them against any agressors.

this way these states were able to concentrate more on their economics, arts & other fields of life & their citizens were happy. each state had to have some sort of army which will become part of the central command and used all over the subc whenever needed.

I am making it look too simple but that was the way it was for almost 4000 years until gora saheb came in & in all their wisdom brought with him the 2 nation theory.

Indian subc was never a country of two nations of green & yellow. It has always been a place where everyone & anyone can live with each other.

In true Indian Subc history there isn't a major war fought on religion (there may be small skirmishes but not a major war). These wars were always for the Real Estate & the resources & people which comes with land. Yes after the British Raj we see many new history books re-written to promote the Raj's agenda to divide the poeple into Hindu Muslim Sikh & Budh.

I hope that people of Pak & India will soon get back together & form the United States of India & loose confedration of smaller states independent to run their own lives, with a centralised defense & foreign policy. Monetary policy can be centralised too but i will leave that to the future leaders of the states.

This will give India stability & wil be the answer to all the troubles India is facing today with many states wanting out.

Mr Chauhan,

We Indians offer our generosity, goodwill, arms extended in a warm welcome, and supreme affection for your ladies anytime.

Ciao

#45 akhanusa {"May Allah destroy Pakistan and unite that "Na Pak" land with Bharat Mata.
(Should Pakistanis get overwhelmed with their Military's brutality, please feel free to contact Indian forces for their liberation.) "}

Dear A Khan USA, A K Hanusa, akh anus a, :)

I am trying to figure you out, but I can't so I give up. Surprisingly, I might even agree with your wish and prayer. However, these things are usually done with generosity, goodwill, arms extended in a warm welcome, and supreme affection. If Bharat Mata is the loving mother, there is no need for the destruction of one of her offsprings. Pakistan is Paak as is Hindustan. :) Pakistan's military is as Indian in blood as the best forces of the Mahabharat, Delhi Sultanate, Mughal Imperial Army, and the Royal Indian Army. Let's not let hatred divide us any further.

#41 slodhi, {"I had the same feeling of sorrow for the first few hours. ..According to her will the among many other things, her hubby & son shall inherit her votebank. Shame. She think of Pakis as inheritable "jaidad", Shame on her & everyone else who from this point want to be affiliated with PPP....Even ZAB will be rolling over in his grave. SHame on BB & rest of the PPP."}

Lodhi Sahib,
Are you representing Sikandar Lodhi in our midst? :) Good nick.
I agree with your sentiments completely. Who doesn't support democracy and who wouldn't want to be on the side of a valiant, charismatic, attractive, well-spoken, well-educated, and brave woman fighting against military dictatorship? I mean that's a no-brainer. Somehow, having gained the mass support of Pakistanis and having served two miserable, incomplete, and divisively bloody terms as PM, she really didn't have a real chance to win - even one that would have been rigged for her benefit.

Saharanpuri #40 {"Well the biggest problem of Pakistan is Feudalism....their leader Liaquat ali mysteroiusly shot in 1951 at the same place where BB was shot...To be shot like a dog and real culprits were never bought to book.
Wonderful stimulating article once again from salim Chauhan "}

Saharanpuri Sahib,
First, let me compliment you on your delightful nomme de plume. Saharanpur, that interesting city on the Jamuna in UP, looking at what was Punjab and is now Haryana. Thank you very much for your appreciation and encouragment.

You said it, my friend. Feudalism is the saddest part of Pakistan's history. It was feudalism that motivated UP, MP, and Bihari Muslims to push for partition and it is feudalism that is tearing Pakistan apart today. Curiously, had Congress been against feudalism in Punjab, Sindh, and Bengal, as it was against this curse in UP, MP, and Bihar, there would have been no partition and probably no feudalism.

Political parties in Pakistan are much like crime families. Benazir's death is quite consistent with how those criminals face their
destiny (Kuttay kuttay hi ke mote murtay hain). I guess, next target for Pakistan Army (code name AlQiada) is either Asif "Mr 10 percent"
or Bilawal "the tender boy". May Allah destroy Pakistan and unite that "Na Pak" land with Bharat Mata.

(Should Pakistanis get overwhelmed with their Military's brutality, please feel free to contact Indian forces for their liberation.)

#39 anil {"...But please don't ask Chowk to go bankrupt from returning money. Gentleman came on his own accord Salim bhai this is called pluralism. ...I enjoyed reading this as much as I enjoy reading your other creations. Already looking forward to more, please do not make me addicted, though."}

Anil Bhai,
Trust me, my friend, I had no intention to have Chowk go bankrupt refunding money to delinquent Chowkies from the cheap seats. :)
Thank you for your kind words and, Anil, if I am addicted to Chowk why should you get any methadone?
Isn't Chowk a wonderful medium, especially when we are far away from home?

anil #37 {"Who is this Almighty. Unless you are ready to make Awam, the Almighty. Problems will stand between you and your goal."}

Anil Bhai,
It certainly isn't Mush or Bush. The Almighty is anyone or anything that you consider the source of all that is good, fair, and just. Since we all have a little divinity in us, you could say that the collective Awam can be designated as an almighty.

My real point, before we get lost in philosophical circles, was that there is retribution for those who instigate violence as a means to attaining momentary gain - Mujib, Bhutto, Indira, Rajiv, Zia, Slobodan, and who knows who's next?

cliftonbridge #35 {"This cycle of hate and violence is the real tragedy."}

My sweet Cliffy,
Indeed, you have narrowed it down. I think that, from what I have heard, people in Karachi are ready to break this cycle. The only problem is that there is nobody reliable or trustworthy to reciprocate from the other side. This horrible orgy of burning and looting really shocked me.

A Sindhi ex-PM gets assassinated in Pindi, Punjab by a Punjabi suicide bomber, probably sent by Pashtun tribals from NWFP, and the PPP goons start murdering and burning Mohajirs in Karachi, Larkana, and Hyderabad. Just because a Mohajir dictator couldn't provide adequate security for her while she voluntarily stuck her neck out of the SUV. :(

Well,
I had the same feeling of sorrow for the first few hours. I am purist when it comes to issues. I think Democracy is the only solution for the people of pak. Does not matter if Ayub, Zia, or Mushy Have done some good things, they have done many bad things too, but they to me are inferior to ZAB, Junejo, BB because no matter how bad they can be they have th guts to go back to the poeple.

Democracy takes time. Look how many time Laloo Parsad can get elected but there will be atime poeple will give up on his trash agenda. If given the chance Pakis will be able to choose the right people like Indians do over a period of time.

BB showed this time that she is dedicate dto the rule of people, however her will turns out to be the stinky fart which exposed her real thoughts.

That will was written by her knowing that she will be killed in a violent way. When confronted with eminent death people show their real behaviour & she showed to the peopel that who she was.

According to her will the among many other things, her hubby & son shall inherit her votebank. Shame. She think of Pakis as inheritable "jaidad", Shame on her & everyone else who from this point want to be affiliated with PPP.

It was another thing that CEC in its meeting on their own accord decided to chose Bilawal, but getting the cahirmanship of the party in inheritance is the most shameful act. Even ZAB will be rolling over in his grave. SHame on BB & rest of the PPP.

In her will she basically told Aitazaz that bhayia, thanks for gpoing to jail many times for the cuse of the poele, I really needed your support to be in power, but you what bhayia, you can not be the next leader of our people, because we need to you be in jail for another few so that beta bilawal can win the election. Shukarya aap kee kurbani ka.

And Amin, oh my darling Amin, how were the good old days when people thought I will be marrying you. And Shukarya for being with me all this time giving me directions and helping me in all these tough time, with your intelectual insight & forsight. However bhayia you dont qualify to be leader of Pakis as you dont have the Bhutto DNA. However please remember that since you are sindhi & if you want to get any benefit as long as sindh remains part of Pakistan then you have to give your support to my son & hubby. Shukarya.


SHAME on BB & PPP of today. SHAME!!!!!!!!

Well the biggest problem of Pakistan is Feudalism.This is the only good thing Nehru did.In Pakistan there cannot be any Lalu Prasad Yadav or Mayawati coming to rule over .All the power is in the hand of chosen few families or Army.It will be better for Pakistan if Kiyani the son of a NCO prevails but then Ayub Khan was also the son of a NCO but not much better.Pakistan is doomed because of feudals ,army and the religious extremeists.The real intelligensia like Muhajirs have been totally marginalised They simply migrate to west or middle east.These epeople virtually created Pakistan sacrificed maximum N their leader Liaquat ali mysteroiusly shot in 1951 at the same place where BB was shot.This guy donated all his property including the his own magnificent residence worth crores at Tilak Marg in Delhi which houses Pakistan ambassadors residence(Jinnah cleverly sold his 10 Aurangzeb road house)but to what effect.To be shot like a dog and real culprits were never bought to book.
Wonderful stimulating article once again from salim Chauhan

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Salim sahib:

"..Chowk Staff,
Please refund this gentleman's money. Thank you. :) ..."

You have arrived, and transform your sentiments quite well. But please don't ask Chowk to go bankrupt from returning money. Gentleman came on his own accord. Salim bhai this is called pluralism. This will make you even better.

I enjoyed reading this as much as I enjoy reading your other creations. Already looking forward to more, please do not make me addicted, though.