Salim Chauhan December 29, 2007
#1 Posted by Zeena on December 30, 2007 12:40:00 am
[[Now that the charismatic, brave, and attractive leader has been buried,]]]
Salim mian
That's exactly what I feel now....We Pakistanis are so very unfortunate that whenever we have some really competent leader for us we don't value it, and when that person is gone we cry out loud and trust me I am same way, not very much different than the rest of the Paki masses...
Teri yaad aai teray jaaniy keh baad......BB was such a precious thing for me that I still remember when I was in 6th grade, I started collecting her photos of her childhood and I was her blind disciple and I was blind in her love and used to worship her with all my heart and soul , then I saw here being throned as PM twice, that was the era I got disappointed on her performance, but, I guess she was not given the complete power and another factor was her own bastard husband, but, time has proved, Asif Zardari is less of a bastard than this bastard Mushy and bastard Zia along qwith bastard Ayub Khan and Yahah Khan...All these army bastards are the real evils and culprits of People of Pakistan and these army monsters are the reason that pakistan is still the pooerest country in the world.....
Anyway, last word for BB..
BB, my dear BB
I am so very shameful of betraying you and being in your opposition for only two years of my life...My feelings for you are now more stronger than ever,
I always loved you and will always do......I didn't realize the value of your presence till you're gone...
I didn't realize what pakistanis got in your form till you're gone......
I guess I'll be crying with this loss for the rest of my life......
Salim mian
That's exactly what I feel now....We Pakistanis are so very unfortunate that whenever we have some really competent leader for us we don't value it, and when that person is gone we cry out loud and trust me I am same way, not very much different than the rest of the Paki masses...
Teri yaad aai teray jaaniy keh baad......BB was such a precious thing for me that I still remember when I was in 6th grade, I started collecting her photos of her childhood and I was her blind disciple and I was blind in her love and used to worship her with all my heart and soul , then I saw here being throned as PM twice, that was the era I got disappointed on her performance, but, I guess she was not given the complete power and another factor was her own bastard husband, but, time has proved, Asif Zardari is less of a bastard than this bastard Mushy and bastard Zia along qwith bastard Ayub Khan and Yahah Khan...All these army bastards are the real evils and culprits of People of Pakistan and these army monsters are the reason that pakistan is still the pooerest country in the world.....
Anyway, last word for BB..
BB, my dear BB
I am so very shameful of betraying you and being in your opposition for only two years of my life...My feelings for you are now more stronger than ever,
I always loved you and will always do......I didn't realize the value of your presence till you're gone...
I didn't realize what pakistanis got in your form till you're gone......
I guess I'll be crying with this loss for the rest of my life......
#2 Posted by rf786 on December 30, 2007 1:45:57 am
Salim Sahib,
Not your greatest moments. You cannot look at PPP or any other entity in isolation, they all represent the same structure with different names. If PPP was disorganized, so was the Govt that has demonstrated its utter and complete incompetence pre and post BB murder. Or, maybe we need more elections before we get some elctoral maturity.
Not your greatest moments. You cannot look at PPP or any other entity in isolation, they all represent the same structure with different names. If PPP was disorganized, so was the Govt that has demonstrated its utter and complete incompetence pre and post BB murder. Or, maybe we need more elections before we get some elctoral maturity.
#3 Posted by zeemax on December 30, 2007 1:53:32 am
Thanks Salim for the article.
You know, Benazir's sad depaerture from the scene may actually be a good thing for PPP.
Many of PPP's best people left only because of her rude and insulting arrogance, bad temper, wheeling/dealing with the army, corruption - all betrayal of the great ZA Bhutto's legacy.
Above factors were also the main reason for the rest of the political parties not willing to reconcile with her.
All the abover were her 'personal' traits/policies for her own self-interest, which now is no more.
I think PPP will come out of this stronger than before, which is good for the country. The grassroots support which PPP has, no other part does ... and it is all because of ZAB, not Benazir. All she had done it was to damage it in rest of the country except Sind. The ZAB vote bank was much larger than what Benazir has left behind.
I hope there's nothing insensitive in saying the above. It's the truth.
You know, Benazir's sad depaerture from the scene may actually be a good thing for PPP.
Many of PPP's best people left only because of her rude and insulting arrogance, bad temper, wheeling/dealing with the army, corruption - all betrayal of the great ZA Bhutto's legacy.
Above factors were also the main reason for the rest of the political parties not willing to reconcile with her.
All the abover were her 'personal' traits/policies for her own self-interest, which now is no more.
I think PPP will come out of this stronger than before, which is good for the country. The grassroots support which PPP has, no other part does ... and it is all because of ZAB, not Benazir. All she had done it was to damage it in rest of the country except Sind. The ZAB vote bank was much larger than what Benazir has left behind.
I hope there's nothing insensitive in saying the above. It's the truth.
#4 Posted by zeemax on December 30, 2007 1:59:38 am
Re the violence against non-Sindhis (not only Urdu-speaking mind you) was an unfortunate but expected reaction.
Even before the violence had begun, Aitezaz Ahsan was saying to GEO in a broken voice that Punjab will have a tremendous responsibility in soothing Sindh's feelings because it is the second of their Prime Ministers whom Punjab has sent in a box to them in the dark of the night in a C-130.
And today the news is they cut all his phone lines after that comment.
But it will settle down. Believe me, Punjab is grieving as much as Sindh.
Even before the violence had begun, Aitezaz Ahsan was saying to GEO in a broken voice that Punjab will have a tremendous responsibility in soothing Sindh's feelings because it is the second of their Prime Ministers whom Punjab has sent in a box to them in the dark of the night in a C-130.
And today the news is they cut all his phone lines after that comment.
But it will settle down. Believe me, Punjab is grieving as much as Sindh.
#5 Posted by atif2 on December 30, 2007 2:17:11 am
[Thankfully, only nameless, faceless, ordinary, and innocent people were killed and injured in the explosions.]
pakis love their leaders, despite getting shafted by them...
i am told that when Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was hanged, thousands of Pakistanis wept in the streets, despite an iron grip on the media and public gatherings by dictator Zia. This despite the fact that Bhutto was the most responsible of the political leaders in the dismembering of Pakistan barely 8 years earlier - yet his "martyrdom" warms up millions of Pakistanis to this day...
Then 9 years later, dictator zia died in plane crash. I am told that millions of pakistanis wept openly over his "martyrdom". His burial was televised live and the newscasters wept too as they made their running commentary on events of burial. This despite the fact that Zia had administered perhaps the most repressive regime in Pakistan's history.
Now 18 years later, Benazir is dead. Millions of Pakistanis wept again for this new "martyrdom". If you were to watch the media, she comes across as nothing less than a saint. Yet she ruled Pakistan with a feudal aloofness, and administered perhaps the most corrupt regime in pakistan's history. And more importantly, she promised foreign powers that she would bomb her own people even more ruthlessly than the current dictator, while handing over citizens to foreign powers at a higher rate. Yet, pictures of ordinary pakistanis weeping in streets are all over the media.
It is hard to believe at this time, but I suspect that if Musharraf's plane were to fall off the sky tomorrow, Pakistanis will weep again over his "martyrdom"
I have this feeling that Pakistanis weep, not for their departed leaders, but for themselves and their hopelessness. These ordinary no-name pakistanis, who come out in the street in support of their leaders and get beaten and killed by police, have the least to gain if that leader were to come to power. Yet these leaders, military and feudal, who rule pakistanis with utter disdain and arrogance while living luxurious life, get to secure "martyrdom" too.
pakis love their leaders, despite getting shafted by them...
i am told that when Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was hanged, thousands of Pakistanis wept in the streets, despite an iron grip on the media and public gatherings by dictator Zia. This despite the fact that Bhutto was the most responsible of the political leaders in the dismembering of Pakistan barely 8 years earlier - yet his "martyrdom" warms up millions of Pakistanis to this day...
Then 9 years later, dictator zia died in plane crash. I am told that millions of pakistanis wept openly over his "martyrdom". His burial was televised live and the newscasters wept too as they made their running commentary on events of burial. This despite the fact that Zia had administered perhaps the most repressive regime in Pakistan's history.
Now 18 years later, Benazir is dead. Millions of Pakistanis wept again for this new "martyrdom". If you were to watch the media, she comes across as nothing less than a saint. Yet she ruled Pakistan with a feudal aloofness, and administered perhaps the most corrupt regime in pakistan's history. And more importantly, she promised foreign powers that she would bomb her own people even more ruthlessly than the current dictator, while handing over citizens to foreign powers at a higher rate. Yet, pictures of ordinary pakistanis weeping in streets are all over the media.
It is hard to believe at this time, but I suspect that if Musharraf's plane were to fall off the sky tomorrow, Pakistanis will weep again over his "martyrdom"
I have this feeling that Pakistanis weep, not for their departed leaders, but for themselves and their hopelessness. These ordinary no-name pakistanis, who come out in the street in support of their leaders and get beaten and killed by police, have the least to gain if that leader were to come to power. Yet these leaders, military and feudal, who rule pakistanis with utter disdain and arrogance while living luxurious life, get to secure "martyrdom" too.
#6 Posted by nasah on December 30, 2007 4:43:01 am
"in fact the real surprise is why she survived her trip to, what’s that cliché - the “Switzerland” of Pakistan?"(author)
Indeed a 'real surprise' -- It should also tell you right there as to who did it -- shouldn't it?
The rest of the article is pure MQM -- the kettle complaining about the pot!
Indeed a 'real surprise' -- It should also tell you right there as to who did it -- shouldn't it?
The rest of the article is pure MQM -- the kettle complaining about the pot!
#7 Posted by tvarad on December 30, 2007 5:38:13 am
"These images of shameless disorder, wanton destruction, and absolute disdain for life, property, and national image left me utterly speechless and emotionally void. How the looting of hundreds of banks would somehow mitigate the extreme sorrow over her loss escaped my Urdu logic. How burning poor workers in their factories, passengers in the buses, and commuters in their cars substituted for solemn grief was not obvious to me."
If it worked for Jinnah on January 16th, 1946, the same tactics should work today too, right? You, as a mohajir, should be able to understand it better than anyone.
If it worked for Jinnah on January 16th, 1946, the same tactics should work today too, right? You, as a mohajir, should be able to understand it better than anyone.
#8 Posted by nasah on December 30, 2007 6:01:09 am
"I always loved you and will always do......I didn't realize the value of your presence till you're gone...
I didn't realize what pakistanis got in your form till you're gone......"(zeena)
"Qadre gauhar shah danud ya bu danud johree"
you are exactly right Zeena -- the budbukht Pakistanis of that perpetually self-demeaning land called Pakistan -- did not know what a precious jewel they got -- till they lost it -- and they lost it big.
I didn't realize what pakistanis got in your form till you're gone......"(zeena)
"Qadre gauhar shah danud ya bu danud johree"
you are exactly right Zeena -- the budbukht Pakistanis of that perpetually self-demeaning land called Pakistan -- did not know what a precious jewel they got -- till they lost it -- and they lost it big.
#9 Posted by hamidm2 on December 30, 2007 6:10:31 am
salim mian,
shahbash naujawan ! ........ i guess you too could not resist the temptation of throwing gasoline on a burning fire with your silly comment about 'mohajir compassion' and 'urdu logic' .....your intentions are evident ..... shame on you and the jackass you rode in on ! .....
#10 Posted by okhla99 on December 30, 2007 6:38:11 am
What a crappy article, Salim.
One expected much better from you. Sadly disappointed.
And now, it seems Bilawal will be the new chairman of PPP.... ten percent will be co-chair....
One expected much better from you. Sadly disappointed.
And now, it seems Bilawal will be the new chairman of PPP.... ten percent will be co-chair....
#11 Posted by okhla99 on December 30, 2007 6:38:13 am
What a crappy article, Salim.
One expected much better from you. Sadly disappointed.
And now, it seems Bilawal will be the new chairman of PPP.... ten percent will be co-chair....
One expected much better from you. Sadly disappointed.
And now, it seems Bilawal will be the new chairman of PPP.... ten percent will be co-chair....
#12 Posted by hamidm2 on December 30, 2007 6:40:31 am
Re: # 4
and zeemaxullah,
........ you have still not explained why you are 'grieving' since this murder is an obvious victory for your side ...... have you run out of mithai ?
and zeemaxullah,
........ you have still not explained why you are 'grieving' since this murder is an obvious victory for your side ...... have you run out of mithai ?
#13 Posted by Kamath on December 30, 2007 7:33:32 am
Very thoughtful observation and article yaar! Very good!
Kamath
Kamath
#14 Posted by bubba on December 30, 2007 7:54:09 am
Totally racist polarizing views expressed by this person in this article. Sorry chowk staff that you have scooped this low to publish this.
#15 Posted by SalmanBkhan on December 30, 2007 8:03:07 am
Salim, most of the people killed, maimed and burnt were Mohajirs..400 vehicles of Mohajirs were burnt.
And holding free & fair elections is a pipe dream..the only time it happened was in 1971 when Mujib won....and Bangladesh happened.
So forget about democracy in Pakistan..It will never happen,period.
And holding free & fair elections is a pipe dream..the only time it happened was in 1971 when Mujib won....and Bangladesh happened.
So forget about democracy in Pakistan..It will never happen,period.
#16 Posted by Urstruly on December 30, 2007 8:30:05 am
I think BB deserved a state funeral with 21 gun salute, coffin draped in national flag and guard of honor.But I think fouj was shitting in their pants; the idea of going into public in their uniform makes any napak fouji shit his pants these days. I think napak fouj has hired blackwater mercenaries to protect every crook above the rank of brigadier. Probably, when we will free our country from the occupation of East India Company ki najaiz aulaad we will re-burry her with full honor which she desreved as PM of Pakistan.
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