The Dirty Tricks Brigade Tries to Spoil a Party

Re: # 92

... And the one thing that stands out about you from your posts, is the tatal absence of the numerator.

#83 Posted by viqarm

The first thing that stands out like a sore thumb in your post is that you don't know what progressive means. I understand ignorance is bliss for some folks but this much ignorance borders on blindness. Ignorance is bliss because if you don't know something, it can't hurt you.

Try this link to learn a bit about Progressiveness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

And then tell me how many of those luminaries that we can count on fingers, actually did any thing progressive.

You want me to compare leaders? With whom? Atlaf?

Signing PCO and not signing it, is a personal choice. If your conscience does not agree with some thing, you don't do it. That does not make any one progressive. Lots of Conservatives do similar things. In reality all those people that you mentioned are political conservative.

“It is the latter's legacy only that JI is internally democratic and still has some semblance of principles left.”

The JI is internally democratic because they have elections in closed door meetings with only one approved candidate per post by the majalis shoora? I think urstruly’s influence is catchy! When was the last time someone opposed Kazi in JI “internal democracy”?

The Halis and the Syeds of the bygone era were great people but were really promoting the colonialist cause.

How many Edhis the natives have produced? Have you ever looked at the names on the buildings on schools, colleges and other institutions? How many of them carry Edhi name? I am certainly not discounting Edhi’s work. Could he have done the same type of work in 1890? Like many other things, the nature of the social work has changed over the years

In the old days they used to pay for schools and colleges and now they pay for ambulances to carry the bodies found in the Gunny bags. How many natives are involved in the Gunny bag transactions?

HP #75 {"They left India as Muslims, ended up in Bengal as Bihari and now want to leave Bangladesh as Bihari. Well Bangladesh is a majority Muslim country why not stay there. Did you not come to Bengal as Muslim?

They came to Sindh as Muslims but turned themselves in to Mohajir because they never liked the Sindhi Muslims as their equal. ...Pakistan is a country of Pathan, Sindhi, Baloch and Punjabis and other people who live there and associate themselves with the land. ...But we have a group of people that is bent upon destroying not only the province they live in, but the country that gave them shelter when they needed it the most."}

HP Sain,
Before you get lost in your own grand epic history of human migrations, please relax and consider some sobering facts. Pakistan was neither requested nor created in the name of Pathans, Sindhis, Baluchis, and Punjabis (you forgot to mention Bengalis and Assamese). Pakistan was ostensibly sold to the Brits, Injuns, and everyone else as a homeland for INDIAN MUSLIMS.

The people who came over to Pakistan were not begging to be accepted as Sindhis or Benglis. They expected to come as Pakistanis - forgetting and forsaking all the titles, honorifics, and distinctions that they used to have in India. No wonder they all call themselves MOHAJIRS today - one identity, one language, one people, many origins.

The so-called "stranded Pakistanis" that you denigrate as "Biharis" were Pakistanis and still call themselves Pakistanis and want to be repatriated to Pakistan - a country to which they showed more loyalty and for which they shed more blood than all the Pakhtuns, Baluchis, and Sindhis put together. Yes, only the Punjabis may have sacrificed more lives for Pakistan than these "Biharis."

How can you even say that anyone gave Mohajirs shelter when they needed it most. Many Mohajirs were government servants and military officers who opted for Pakistan. Their risky commitment to Pakistan negated Nehru's accurate assessment that Pakistan would come begging back to India because of the departure of educated, competent, and skilled Hindu and Sikh bureaucrats. If the Pisser-e-Zameen were all that hospitable, why were there sprawling shanty towns in Karachi and Hyderabad for many many years after partition. Mohajirs, with college degrees and pictures of mansions they left behind in India, lived in miserable conditions but never lost their patriotism - until Bhutto started his pogroms against them in the early '70s.

Please refer to Kaal Chakra's excellent refutation of similar nonsense raised by your bigoted and racist Pisser-e-Zameen colleagues - including Fuzair Sahib and Aquaris (sic).

[Janoo,
Now I am not afraid if FOX-TV is ever banned! You, outdo them in every category ranging from asinine to zero-intelligence. :)]

Salim Chauhan,
They say sikhs and pathans are famous for their brains or rather lack of it. Chauhan, a sikh surname seems to have made that effect on your comprehension level rather lack of it. Please read my two bit again and again till you understand what I am saying.It is called SARCASM.

Re: # 85 Salim cigim:

I am honored to stand up for the dignity of those still vilified as mohajirs in Pakistan today.

Even of I speak this with sorrow; not with any relish. God(SWT) Knows that I, presonally, have never wanted to be called mohajir even for a day.

And MQM and its politics, I could never defend.

"sukoot aamoz tul-e daastan-e dard hae, varna
zabaaN bhi hae hamary muNh mayN aur taab-e suKhan bhi hae"

Re: # 78 MQM are very bad people as all retarts say is fine.
There are punjabis ( generally act and then think), sindhi( who are whining specialists) are fine people but there were no "pakistanis" so Mohajirs were ordered from Hindustan. Mohajirs only pakistanis all others are first sindhis or punjabis and last pakistanis.
MOHAJIRS were needed or essential in pakistan absolutely, as all failures of these natives can be blamed on "Urdu speaking Dark uglies" and retards can go scotfree. Everyman needs to marry as then he can blame on wife all his problems. Everybody needs some thing to hate and blame so all exploited natives are welcomed to become guests of mohajirs and please abuse so you will feel better and free.
Racists and impotent cry babies.I wonder if Mohajirs are so damaging them why not officially expell them to their own areas of urban Sindh and all go to backwaters annd enjoy rural social and economic justice of great nativist ehical paradise in backwaters of Sindh .JUst pure Jelousy, hate and greed combined with shear stupidity. Lean form this bad people. Why they all are allowed play open recist card ?
Good day .

#79 HP {"Yeps, we know how any fascist would respond!
Mir Jaffars!"}

HP,
Please don't tell us that you are now going to mislead us in Indian history just as you misled us about Indian geography. LOL

The worst thing for Sindhi education standards was Sindh's detachment from Bombay. :)

#80 HP {Yeah! that was a mistake..12th May was the worst! "}

HP Sain,
...and with that irrational and inaccurate statement of yours, I refer you to my "one size fits all" response to Janoo in #73.

nasah #81 {"what a formidable political coalition it could have been."}

Nasha,
Almost right. Infact, MQM made one of its first alliances with PPP in 1988. Too bad the paindoo and sindhoo logic took over the feudals and they didn't want to share even one ray of sunshine with their "allies." So now you want us to for a formidable coalition with our murderers. Perhaps you noticed that most of the victims of the fiery inferno and murderous rage of the PPP goons were Urdu-speaking Mohajirs. No thanks - PPP Na Khapey.

Viqarm #83 {"Sixty years later, Ayub JKhan, ZAB, Zia, BB and loha chore is the best that this beghairat lot has to offer today. Are these the luminaries you are expecting an egalitarian people to follow who actually believe in educating their women and, God Forbid, giving them their due share of inheritance?

If fuedalism, karo kari, robberies and gang rapes is your idea of being progressive, then May God(SWT) Save us ALL from being progressive ... EVER. "}

Viqar Sahib,
Brilliant response to a bigot who is masquerading as a racist. :)
You know, my friend, if this HP were not a fellow Paki, Pisser-e-Zameen that he is, I would be laughing at the way you made a mockery of his asinine statements. This guy runs with his mouth and tries the old bulldozer technique of debating. Sometimes, people take his nonsense seriously and actually verify his stupid "facts." Remember when he was caught short in his knowledge about the geography of North India? Thanks.

Re: # 76 HP
"So mahijir are progressive now...Since when communalism became Progressive..."

Indian muslims were progressive long behore those in Sindh learnt how to spell the word. So your question is better asked in reverse. And the answer is that they still have ways to go.

Justice Wajihuddin did not sign the PCO even when Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry did, prefering to go home instead. So did Justice Saeed Siddiqui. Both othem, along with Justice Fakhruddin Ibrahim are at the forefront of the struggle for the independence of judiciary in Pakistan even today.

How many Edhis have the natives produced? I am having difficulty counting.

If the leaders and visionaries were a dime a dozen amongst the native races in Pakistan, we wouldn't find Hali hanging by the coattails of Syed Ahmed Khan, and Iqbal to those of MAJ for political leadership and to Maudoodi's for the Islamic. It is the latter's legacy only that JI is internally democratic and still has some semblance of principles left. Could you say the same for Maulana Diesel who prefers, instead, to talk out of both sides of his mouth?

Sixty years later, Ayub JKhan, ZAB, Zia, BB and loha chore is the best that this beghairat lot has to offer today. Are these the luminaries you are expecting an egalitarian people to follow who actually believe in educating their women and, God Forbid, giving them their due share of inheritance?

If fuedalism, karo kari, robberies and gang rapes is your idea of being progressive, then May God(SWT) Save us ALL from being progressive ... EVER.

Re: # 71

meray bhai mittar ji -- zarranawazi -- adaab -- the word is mukarrar mukarrar -- so for your mukarrar -- dobara arz kiya:

Bhaaga hooN Hind say mugger Hindi naheeN hooN maiN
ruhtaa hooN Sindh meiN mugger Sindhi naheeN hooN maiN

sometimes it feels like that in the United States as well -- don't know about Canada.

Re: # 72
"One represents the urban centers and the latter is clearly the mouthpiece of the landed blue-bloods."(Salim)

almost a great political sentence after trimming the excess verbosity -- "One represents the urban centers and the latter is clearly" -- RURAL -- where actual Pakistan or for that matter actual India lives.

what a formidable political coalition it could have been.

"I can't believe that you are sincerely and rationally equating the violence of May 12 to the carnage, inferno, and mass destruction following BB's assassination!"

Yeah! that was a mistake..12th May was the worst!

"Time to bring all you morons back to the reservation."

Yeps, we know how any fascist would respond!

Mir Jaffars!

#77 HP {"How many MQM workers were arrested after the 12th May? Even the ones whose pictures were clear despite the darkness, still roam the Karachi streets."}

HP,
I can't believe that you are sincerely and rationally equating the violence of May 12 to the carnage, inferno, and mass destruction following BB's assassination! You are either very ethnically-motivated or perhaps a little blind when the Sumroos, Khuros, and other Sans Brains go on a marauding warpath. Time to bring all you morons back to the reservation.