The Dirty Tricks Brigade Tries to Spoil a Party

GT #152 Well said, sir and good advice to stop this idle bickering and focus on the real problem/opportunity!!

Pakistanis need to focus on this great opportunity created by the sacrifices of the CJ, the judges, lawyers, journalists, Benazir, among others. The opportunity being to put Pakistan back on track wrt the rule of law.

I dont think that the movement is dying off though. I think it wont end until musharraf is out. And we may yet see the Chief Justice and the Supreme Court restored, which is the key to bringing Pakistan back on track.

HP: welcome to the National Assembly debate bro.

You make very valid points here. Note that BB inspired not just the poor people of Sindh but of the rest of Pakistan as well. The NWFP, Panjab, and Baluchistan.

This recognition of the rights of the poor is the great and noble contribution of not just the Bhuttos (despite their shortcomings and despite their inability to deliver on their promises) but of all Sindh to the rest of Pakistan. Benazir will forever be the Daughter of Pakistan who gave her life for the cause of Pakistan.

Re: # 150

I think the only progressive sindhi politicians are two gentlemen, Jam Saaqi and Rasul Bux Palejo. Everyone other than them is a either a feudal lord with private jails who marrie his sisters with Quran or a Pir who marries quaran with his sisters and has private jails. If this is your concept of progressive politicians then you should cut down your favorite mashroob a bit for it is consuming your grey cells.

#149 Posted by tahmed32,

Read this extract from a UP thread I had posted:

Pakistanis have not run out of Rotis. They are just being 'deprived' of Rotis.

See, this part of Punjab (which is now the Pakistani Punjab) was the bread basket of the entire sub-continent - and still is.

First the government ministers switched crops (through financing facilities incentives) to sugarcane and exported the sugar so there was a sugar crisis in 2006/7, and the price of sugar shot up to Rs 40/kg, then they imported from India and Cuba and made a bucketful.

Then they continued to import sugar and switched back to wheat production. Are you with me so far?

Then they mis-stated the production as being 23.5 million tons as against the combined Pakistan/Afghanistan consumption of 20 million tons - instead of the actual 19.5 million tons produced - and justified exporting 2.5 million tons at world prices which were much higher. That left available wheat at 17 million tons, i.e. 3 million tons short of demand. (All wheat to Afghanistan is supplied by Pakistan, and smuggling can't be stopped).

Now when the domestic wheat crunch hit, they imported again at world prices and are selling it at 3 times the original domestic price (i.e. Rs 25/kg Vs Rs 8/kg) and again making a bundle.

Musharraf, in order to buy loyalties, has been allowing all sorts of blatant scams by his political allies (privatizations, sugar, cement, wheat) just to remain in power.

But Pakistanis are a hugely resilient and talented people, and are not easily fooled. It is just a matter of time when things are corrected - through dismantling the current system to be replaced by one with full accountability and justice.

Pakistan is a very rich country, far from being poor. I have always maintained it is being kept poor.

Rgds

HP tell me honestly because i dont know whats rhetoric with you and whats not. When educated sindhi's come on tv and say proudly "we are slaves to the bhutto's". When they say "if bhutto asked me to vote for a donkey i'd do that"

does that embarass you or not? Is being someone's slave a badge of honor?

BB's death sidelined the lawyers and the students. It has also resulted in pathetic chauvanism here in chowk. The way you guys are going at each other does not even compare to how Hindus and Muslims have been going after each other all through chowk's history.

Look, feudalism dominates not only rural Sind but the entire rural sub-continent. All of us are chauvanists and almost all are fundamentalists. But at times, history provides us with a chance to hope for a better future where we can call ourselves civilized. I would like to believe that Pakistanis (apparently not the ones in chowk) are doing something different as we speak amidst all the chaos and violence. And this process is much bigger than BB, the dictator or Altaph. So let us get positive. We do not have to keep on discussing chauvanism etc., we know it very well for we all are chauvanists .... and uncivilized.

lol urstruly !!! #128 was good too.

Zeemax jee!!! i am not discounting HP's knowledge of sind, i am deriding his worship of a defunct immoral pathetic and exceedingly backward social structure.

Chachoo i am supposed to be all riled up when the army takes away your right to vote and i can expect no visable sympathy from you when this defunct corrupt disgusting feudal system takes away every nonfeudal pakistani's right to basic human dignity.

Leave it to educated pakistani's to bewail everything else thats unjust but make every excuse possible for the caste system and karo kari at the same time. And if you defy that logic then you must be a fascist on some "hate brigade"....even if you happen to be right. The real question is feudal lovers , - why does reality hate feudals so much :(

Last night a question came up about who is more progressive. Between watching the game(where Pakistani umpire is helping Indians, turning the game in Indians favor) and sipping of my favorite mashroob, I forgot to mention that have you ever seen Sindhi poor, ignorant hari and the middle class voting for the most regressive political parties like the JI and Noorani main and now the stringent fascists party the MQM?

Why is that the supposedly most “educated” people in Pakistan vote for the most regressive parties in Pakistan?

Have you ever seen Sindhi fighting the communal and sectarian battles amongst themselves? There are plenty of Shia in Sindh and pretty much all Sindhis whether they are Sunnni or Shai, pay tribute to the martyred Imam. Why is that there no sunny tehrik or Shia tehrik in Sindh.

The poor and uneducated Sindhi show enough common sense to never vote for the extremist in their ranks and elect people that are moderate and liberal in their lifestyle, why is that not true for the Most educated people.

Would any one believe that poor and uneducated elect Benazir and the educated elect Altaf the fascist, who speaks urdu in guttural accent and often is not able to pronounce words correctly?

Zeemax,
Cat got his tongue…Saanp soongh giya!

urstruly: and while i am here - your saying (wrt the pictures you had posted) that musharraf is behind the food shortage was also a dud shot. read up on the world food the crisis, and you will realize that the shortage is not caused by musharraf (who would have to be even more stupid than he has proved himself to be to cause a food crisis and turn even more people against himself) but by much bigger issues beyond his control (i.e. jump in world food prices, which has caused foodstuffs in the panjab to be smuggled into central asia). This jump in world food prices is caused by factors well beyond musharraf's control: ie. rising incomes in China and India and other previously poor nations have increased demand for meat products which in turn translate into greater demand , as have increased demands of crops for synthetic fuel due to environmental concerns.

So - lets stick to the facts. even if this is chowk and you are free to write what you like.

#144 urstruly: nice shot. but a dud. try again.

cb #143 welcome to the National Assembly debate.

you keep talking about feudals. however, it is not the feudals who are supporting military rule. it is mqm.

This is not about ethnicity. This is about military rule: There is no shortage of urdu-speaking against musharraf's rule (starting with Justice Wajihuddin who is rightly honored across Pakistan). Nor is there a shortage of panjabis (starting with p. elahi) who are supporting musharraf's dictatorship.

Think of the above before you start accusing people speaking out against musharraf's lawless behavior of being racists against urdu-speaking people.

And note below how these mqm-ites refer to other Pakistanis - i see even mr. madani suddenly becoming a gora-sahib (despite his inabilithy to write two coherent sentences in english) and belittling the "natives". This is racism. Not speaking out against dictatorship.

#143 Posted by cliftonbridge,

Ma'am, even given HP's various and numerous transgressions on other subjects at times, no one here knows Sind better than HP does. His views should not be discounted!

#142 Posted by tahmed32,

??? Don't you know the fake bismillah always lurking around to get STFU'd?

Re: # 143

tahmad is Moulana Fazlur Rehman of chowk.

The world no longer believes in royalty, even indians are giving up on their caste system but backwards feudals still think they can survive the 21st century by begging on their defeated knees to be treated as kings. Those days are over.

The truth is that the feudals biggest crimes are the ones committed agianst their own community. And the writings on the wall, one day their serfs are going to rebel against them french revolution style either inspired by islamists or pseudo communists.

To keep their house niggers confused about who the real enemy is the feudals have learned to dance about clap their hands and complain about ethnic chauvanism (which apparently is totally fine when they do it). Never underestimate the children of a defeated empires ability to keep themselves deluded, and that goes for all chest thumping pakistanis.

Could shameless apologists like HP and Beena please explain how the "hate brigade" was able to convince the courts of sovereign european countries that BB was a petty crook and should be arrested if set foot on their land?

Tahmed chachoo i am willing to believe that all your beliefs have nothing to do with ethnicity nationality ....or even reality. But if anyone supports a urdu speaking anyone its always somehow racist. No benefit of the doubt is ever allowed there. I do blame you for having some pretty wild double standards.

zeemax: and what "fake bismillah" should i STFU on?