Beena Sarwar January 15, 2008
#1 Posted by Faisal.K on January 15, 2008 11:49:24 pm
Yes it is important for everyone to see Pakistan's politics free from all interference. However what proof do any of us have that the PPP is the messiah for this cause?
We must also remember what the PPP has achieved in its two past governances of our country. Let history be the judge of the hopefuls for the future leadership of Pakistan.
We must also remember what the PPP has achieved in its two past governances of our country. Let history be the judge of the hopefuls for the future leadership of Pakistan.
#2 Posted by tahir on January 16, 2008 12:15:59 am
Let these agency-created parties first hold elections within their own ranks.
What Zulfi did went with him, what B.B. did wil torment her, what Asif Ali is about to do scares the pants (or jeans, or hijab) off me!
Our choices are: cult-based paid stooges, techinical wizards turned saviours of Pakistan, chowkidars turned rulers etc. There are some (30% in Pakistan, 10% worldwide) who await somebody else!
What Zulfi did went with him, what B.B. did wil torment her, what Asif Ali is about to do scares the pants (or jeans, or hijab) off me!
Our choices are: cult-based paid stooges, techinical wizards turned saviours of Pakistan, chowkidars turned rulers etc. There are some (30% in Pakistan, 10% worldwide) who await somebody else!
#3 Posted by jayp on January 16, 2008 12:30:05 am
Now that all the eulogies have been sung, the daughter of the east has been put to rest, the emotions have subsided, the wells of tears have gone dry, let us look at the anomaly that the late Benazir represented.
A muslim woman leader in an islamic country, a country where sharia is the supreme law. Well that is an absurdity, the late Benzir was an albino in the darkness of an islamic country.
The nature abhors mutants, pakistani politics is back on track. Long live Pakistan. Long live Benazir.
A muslim woman leader in an islamic country, a country where sharia is the supreme law. Well that is an absurdity, the late Benzir was an albino in the darkness of an islamic country.
The nature abhors mutants, pakistani politics is back on track. Long live Pakistan. Long live Benazir.
#4 Posted by Skeptical on January 16, 2008 12:47:35 am
It was a good article that reminded us of the grave and ground realities....
Like it or hate it....
PPP is Bhutto dynasty....
It is okay....
If masses and workers want it that way.....
Mr Zardari could not have done and gotten away with it unless supported by the workers.....
In our part dynasty politics is a reality and perhaps a neccessity....
No drawing room talk can amend it......
It is better to accept it and then find a way to force the point of view through the dynasty flag bearers....
Baqi though I had great admiration for ZAB I think his daughter was not even a shade of him......
Like it or hate it....
PPP is Bhutto dynasty....
It is okay....
If masses and workers want it that way.....
Mr Zardari could not have done and gotten away with it unless supported by the workers.....
In our part dynasty politics is a reality and perhaps a neccessity....
No drawing room talk can amend it......
It is better to accept it and then find a way to force the point of view through the dynasty flag bearers....
Baqi though I had great admiration for ZAB I think his daughter was not even a shade of him......
#5 Posted by jayp on January 16, 2008 12:59:38 am
It is more than likely that PPP will wither away, on the surface due to infighting, lack of leadership and as the author says, due to dirty tricks.
But the reality is that a party without any islamic connotations cannot survive. The original Jinnah party was pakistan muslim league and later various PML vesions have come up.
What has 'people' to do with power and politics in pakistan, it has to be an islamic party.
A name change to Islamic peoples party IPP will do wonders to the PPP.
But the reality is that a party without any islamic connotations cannot survive. The original Jinnah party was pakistan muslim league and later various PML vesions have come up.
What has 'people' to do with power and politics in pakistan, it has to be an islamic party.
A name change to Islamic peoples party IPP will do wonders to the PPP.
#6 Posted by rf786 on January 16, 2008 1:27:13 am
Objective, impartial and very good description, many thanks Beena.
#7 Posted by Jahanzeb.Awan on January 16, 2008 1:37:38 am
Although, you are right when you allude to the 'Dirty Tricks Brigade' and their doings in the post-assassination scenario (which was very much expected of them).
However, the PPP, it seems, has not helped itself much either. I think that unless they take corrective and remedial measures it is just a factor of time before the biggest political party may just disintegrate into factions (along the lines of personalities and/or ethnic lines).
However, the PPP, it seems, has not helped itself much either. I think that unless they take corrective and remedial measures it is just a factor of time before the biggest political party may just disintegrate into factions (along the lines of personalities and/or ethnic lines).
#8 Posted by tahmed32 on January 16, 2008 2:54:54 am
tens of thousands of FIRs against party workers?!! Lets put a face to this dirty tricks brigade. It is that of the scoundrel musharraf. Who has made a mockery of the Pakistani electoral process in the past with his crooked one-man "referendums", who had destroyed the Supreme Court, and who now is misusing the police registration system as he tries to keep clinging to his illegal rule.
#9 Posted by nasah on January 16, 2008 3:09:35 am
Re: # 5
"A name change to Islamic peoples party IPP will do wonders to the PPP."
the same kind of "wonders" it has done for the MMA -- which should change itself to MMNA -- Muttahida Majlis-e Na Ahal
"A name change to Islamic peoples party IPP will do wonders to the PPP."
the same kind of "wonders" it has done for the MMA -- which should change itself to MMNA -- Muttahida Majlis-e Na Ahal
#10 Posted by iron_mask on January 16, 2008 3:14:12 am
There are more important questions which need to be answered. For example, who will be making the porridge for Zardari-10%? Don't tell me he already had someone on stand-by doing this already?
Bibi cannot be replaced. She is gone. What is needed, is the ability of the PPP to reinvent itself and become a truly mass movement with leadership from outside the family.
Dirty politics is something wihch cannot be wished away, politics is dirty period. What is to be seen is if the PPP and the country can show ingenuity in overcoming hurdles.
Unfortunately, the article highlights the hurdles, but shies away from showing the runners who can jump over these hurdles. Some how I doubt if Billawal is the runner who can perform this long distance steeple chase.
Maybe all these tricks are a blessing in disguise? Time will tell.
Bibi cannot be replaced. She is gone. What is needed, is the ability of the PPP to reinvent itself and become a truly mass movement with leadership from outside the family.
Dirty politics is something wihch cannot be wished away, politics is dirty period. What is to be seen is if the PPP and the country can show ingenuity in overcoming hurdles.
Unfortunately, the article highlights the hurdles, but shies away from showing the runners who can jump over these hurdles. Some how I doubt if Billawal is the runner who can perform this long distance steeple chase.
Maybe all these tricks are a blessing in disguise? Time will tell.
#11 Posted by iron_mask on January 16, 2008 3:16:40 am
Re: # 8 TAhmed32, you seem to be a one man anti-mushy band?
Hi there! whatzup friend? Are you into reverse psychology thing or what. Here is a bet I would like to wager - you are a closet Mushy Man, all this chest beating on Chowk is to identify real Mush-haters and make them sweat.
Hi there! whatzup friend? Are you into reverse psychology thing or what. Here is a bet I would like to wager - you are a closet Mushy Man, all this chest beating on Chowk is to identify real Mush-haters and make them sweat.
#12 Posted by nasah on January 16, 2008 3:25:26 am
Re: # 4
"Baqi though I had great admiration for ZAB I think his daughter was not even a shade of him...... "
now a 'skeptical' male chauvinist pig from PPP -- sure as hell -- about a 'daughter' "not even a shade of" of HER father!
How could she be anything but a "shade" -- she is not the 'son' of the father. Well -- she was 100 times more civilized than her father.
"Baqi though I had great admiration for ZAB I think his daughter was not even a shade of him...... "
now a 'skeptical' male chauvinist pig from PPP -- sure as hell -- about a 'daughter' "not even a shade of" of HER father!
How could she be anything but a "shade" -- she is not the 'son' of the father. Well -- she was 100 times more civilized than her father.
#13 Posted by tahmed32 on January 16, 2008 3:28:08 am
#11 iron_mask: greetings. nothing as byzantine as being a closet-mushy man my friend. you overestimate my sneakiness. :-)
I am just mad at the brazen manner in which this man has gone about wrecking the constitution and putting away judges and lawyers who came in the way.
I am just mad at the brazen manner in which this man has gone about wrecking the constitution and putting away judges and lawyers who came in the way.
#14 Posted by tahmed32 on January 16, 2008 3:31:24 am
Add to the end of #13
...among other things (like his letting maulvis from lal masjid run riot on Islamabad residents, on the pretext of being afraid of them, like the killing of peaceful demonstrators on May 12).
...among other things (like his letting maulvis from lal masjid run riot on Islamabad residents, on the pretext of being afraid of them, like the killing of peaceful demonstrators on May 12).
#15 Posted by ijaz_gul on January 16, 2008 3:36:27 am
Beena,
You have ommitted the dirtiest of the dirty ricks thouh they have been discussed in detail on this blog.
You have ommitted the dirtiest of the dirty ricks thouh they have been discussed in detail on this blog.
#16 Posted by zeemax on January 16, 2008 3:40:15 am
I think nomination of Bilawal is a temporary damage control measure, and correct in order to keep PPP from falling apart in the immediate aftermath. Ultimately the leadership will need to be from outside the Bhutto family if PPP wants to retain its federal character and support in Punjab.
It is towards the above that Zardari has announced moving his base to Lahore, and possible nomination of Ch. Aitezaz as Senior Vice Chairman of the party.
It is towards the above that Zardari has announced moving his base to Lahore, and possible nomination of Ch. Aitezaz as Senior Vice Chairman of the party.
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