US Conspiracy to Destablize Pakistan?

in #454 "society has transformed him into what the corporations not consider discarded i.e "loser", he realizes that his entire life has been wasted chasing material lies... "

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"society has transformed him into what the corporations now consider discarded i.e a "loser", he realizes that his entire life has been wasted chasing material lies...

hamid writes " today you would not have been so bitter and been a useful member of society instead of a pathetic 'looser' "

I'd rather be a "pathetic loser" according to the corporate definition of the term than a "winner" who has no identity, does not know anything about his or her society and when he wakes up (in his old age) when suddenly society has transformed him into what the corporations not consider discarded i.e "loser", he realizes that his entire life has been wasted chasing material lies... If you were to realize the value of these words I can bet you your entire family you'd gladly give me all your material wealth no questions asked- that is the value, which cannot be measured in terms of money behind the truth I have just told you...

tahmed writes "The manifest destiny was fulfilled 155 years ago"

It was never fulfilled because the people do not accept slavery that easily. The US met resistance and still faces it wherever it takes its BS. In the rhetoric of popular right wingers the "manifest destiny" is still the guiding principle, the so-called "frontiers" are just popular Star Trek mythology in a country where those whose values are espoused have not even reconciled themselves to the idea of evolution.

Re: # 449

masadi mian,

.... finally ! .... something you and i can agree on :

"Teachers and even most assistant professors at state universities makes less in the US than a manager of a Burger King restaurant, if they took a vacation to some "exotic" land even ONCE in their entire career they would fall back on their car or house payment,"

.... and that is just about what they deserve! .... a manager of a burger king adds more value to society than any 'professor' of sociology, anthropoloy, or any othe apolgyfor a real education ..... for a while i was quite worried about my older daughter who was taking too many silly classes in sociology for no apparent reason other than the fact that they were easy A's .... luckily she is graduating with a major in biology and a minor in sociolgy (which brought up her gpa by a few points) and headed for med school this fall ........

.. masadi mian, you should have listened to your parents and taken some of the hard classes sush as calculus, microbiology and physics instead of cruising ...... today you would not have been so bitter and been a useful member of society instead of a pathetic 'looser' ........ sorry for being so blunt ........

And let me tell you all quite clearly, nobody but nobody that tries to justify the slaughter of so many human beings as were slaughtered by this "manifest destiny" concept in the early history of the US, nobody who tries to justify it for whatever reason can be a moral human being, and nobody that justifies it can ever under any circumstance be a Muslim in the true sense of the word. Not even the worst mass murderer would so easily and painlessly defend and legitimize his killings as tahmed is doing for his western masters. You want to see the human animal at its worst regarding morality and decency, you have the ideal specimen in tahmed. I just cannot imagine anyone with such low morals....

tahmed writes "
Nor was the concept of manifest destiny an evil one, as masadi likes to portray it. The US bought large chunks of land. Even the mexicans themselves are streaming into California today to escape the miserable conditions in mexico"

Now do you need further proof that this backstabber is an enemy of the people? Ask the native Americans who were butchered by the tens of millions (40 million according to some estimates quoted by Zinn in his book that this fool is reading) and the African Americans who are suffering from the effects of that to date, not to mention the entier world that was treated as America's whore to be raped, and he says that this concept was not "evil" and how does he know that it was not "evil" by stating the Mexicans are coming to California- please tell me out of the entire popualtion of Mexico how many have come to California and why have they gone there, because of the jobs that the white man wants from them but does not want to give them equal rights and not to enjoy the scenery there. The western half of the US was stolen at pennies to the dollar at the point of a gun by the US, it was not "bought", you cannot buy people's land by making sweet deals like the US does with the Pakistan Army for pennies to the millions. It was theft plain and simple and the Mexicans driven from their lands are coming back to reclaim them and soon they will. The Manifest Destiny was white racism garbed in religious rhetoric similar to what some cukoo mullah might proclaim and as you all see the LIAR tahmed who lies about his concern for the Pakistani people supports that racism hook line and sinker. Let me end by quoting Howard Zinn a real historian and not a lying fake like tahmed regarding the early history of the US in the context of this Manifest Destiny:





The historian Howard Zinn in his, “A People’s History of the United States: 1492 –Present� (1995), summarizes U.S. military intervention in the affairs of other countries prior to World War 2:

“The U.S. had instigated a war with Mexico and taken over half that country. It had pretended to help Cuba win freedom from Spain, and then planted itself in Cuba with a military base, investments and right of intervention. It had seized Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and Guam, and fought a brutal war to subjugate the Filipinos. It had opened Japan to its trade with gunboats and threats…It had sent troops to Peking with other nations, to assert Western supremacy in China, and kept them there for over thirty years… It had engineered a revolution against Colombia and created the “independent� state of Panama in order to build and control the canal. It sent 5000 Marines to Nicaragua in 1926 to counter a revolution and kept forces there for seven years. It intervened in the Dominican Republic for the fourth time in 1916 and kept troops there for eight years. It intervened for the second time in Haiti in 1915 and kept troops there for nineteen years… Between 1900 and 1933, the United States intervened in Cuba four times, in Nicaragua twice, in Panama six times, in Guatemala once, in Honduras seven times. By 1924 the finances of half of the twenty Latin American states were being directed to some extent by the United States. By 1935, over half of U.S. steel and cotton exports were being sold in Latin America. Just before World War 1 ended, in 1918, an American force of seven thousand landed at Vladivostok as part of an Allied intervention in Russia and remained there until early 1920. Five thousand more troops landed at Archangel, another Russian port…�.(Zinn 1995:399-400)

arjun to tahmed "..I'm going to calll BS on that..."

Everything tahmed writes is bs. Teachers and even most assistant professors at state universities makes less in the US than a manager of a Burger King restaurant, if they took a vacation to some "exotic" land even ONCE in their entire career they would fall back on their car or house payment, that is for those of them whose credit affords them to get a house by paying for it till they're retired...

#420 Posted by tahmed32 on January 23, 2008 9:09:51 am


I know school teachers who live what by any reasonable definition is a a dream life - taking off a couple of months off each year to go vacationing to some exotic place in in europe or africa or asia, living comfortably


Ummm..I'm going to calll BS on that...even for the teachers who teach in the well off schools of gaithesburg/montgomery county...

#426 Posted by zeemax on January 23, 2008 9:38:04 am


How come 6 of those 19 hijackers are still alive but FBI has not revised its list?


You've got your facts confused with the stuff pulled out of your rear...that's probably got something to do with the fact that your brain IS in your rear...

chalta writes "No country in the world innovates and monetizes on that innovation like the US. Not the EU, not Japan, not CHindia and definitely not the muslim world or africa. "

That "innovation" is for the sole purpose of domination and maintaining the global and internal hierarchy. Innovation is worth dung when it is used not to better people but to harm and control them. The individual in the US is just a number to be manipulated by corporations for extracting surplus- he has no human identity- his family is in tatters, his life is not his own, the best parts of it belong to the corporation for which he works, even his kids do not identify with him, they identify with the corporate symbols and their material manifestations (like Hamid's daughter wishing to work away her life aimlessly for a bmw) moreso. If there ever was the human made less than animal, it is in Western society, and everything, science, technology, knowledge is being diverted to manipulative use to benefit the few.

People like tahmed who have sold their souls to serve just such a devil's world will equate such bs with integrity, as far as real knowledge and honesty goes, honesty that shatters their mythology, they cannot hold a candle to someone with my kind of ideas...

Re: # 444

Chaltahai:

Pie is certainly not limited. Opposite of finite is infinite, somehow that does not look right.

Wealth creation in developed economies comes in many ways, the surest way is of course through growth in the domestic product. GDP is the pie if you may like to call.

Restructuring, innovation and shuffle create opportunities in this pie. Much as in your home, if you restructure, you may not need your existing domestic help, but an outside contractor who may indeed make some money.

Innovation drives efficiency, productivity. It also gives a phenomenal leverage, because you are transforming Intellectual capital and monitizing it. This is a true growth driver. Obviously there are many others.

Finally shuffling production or IT services for instance, here or there, is like creating room for a new baby. It too squeezes capital for better opportunities. EU any others did not do it, and the U.S. is very efficient in doing such house cleaning. Japan had life time job security, and Soviet Union was simply a gone case with their command-control economic model.

Shuffling is really the premise of Globalization. Integrated pie will only be bigger, and bigger players will naturally get bigger slices. East India Company gave the best returns when England integrated India through it, for accessing raw material and supplying finished goods. Those were colonial days. The scene is different now.

That is why had debated Zeemax sahib, on his theory of destroying the U.S. economy by asking Chinese to inject inflation.

If this financial crisis is a trigger which will end as what I have suggested, then it has an ability to induce deflation in world economies, rather than cause inflate. Chinese may soon be worried about getting into deflation, when demand for their products can dry up. Unless they spur domestic demands.

In deflationary times, we all will be worried of reduced asset values and reduced pay checks, hopefully consumer prices will go down for a smooth lending. Factors are far beyond my comprehension. Especially, if it turns out that these integrating pies (GDP) cannot sustain the asset values which have given us cash flows, incomes and assets to buy.

Utlimately money (dollar) is like water. It flows, and allows markets to put a value of "assets" in terms of money for what they should be worth to buyers. The largest players, especially they own the source of water (dollar), and largest market, have ability to tilt the slope in their favor. There is a limit for all this too, what happened to British Pound is an example. Now, there will more to compete as well.

No country in the world innovates and monetizes on that innovation like the US. Not the EU, not Japan, not CHindia and definitely not the muslim world or africa.

Anil, do you think that the pie is finite? i.e. one must lose for someone to win? I think the pie is growing, shares among the major participants might shift here and there but on the whole but partnership will make everyone benefit.

Let me also add - the whites have a a far better sense of worth, and self-worth, and the quality of dignity of labour which I am yet to see amongst the arabies or the pakistanis or indians,.

Again a reason why they do well and are able to take care of their own people, and why we are not able to do so.

Think about it - THIS IS ALL ABOUT BEING ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF ONES OWN PEOPLE. When everyone feels a part of the bigger picture do they pull together.

HP asked this question regarding Indians sometimeback(I was a silent lurker then - as I was tied up with work), but I feel that this is what is the transformational engine there. There is a slow and steady progress towards achieving the above.

Re: # 441

show me one such enterprise zeemax coming from arabi or pakistan or India?

All go around with their begging bowls.

You have to admire and give credit where it is due. The Yanks have the can-do attitude in spades, which most on the people from the medit east do not have.

Yes, I must admit I do admire them and their ability to go beyond their individual abilities and make something of their lives. That is something we can all learn to emulate. What we are real good is whining like mangy little pups!

#439 Posted by queen_cut_pastem

What you said re McDonald is about human enterprise. But it appears you regard 'white' enterprise even more than you admire your pet macaca.

Re: # 429

hamidm2

Its called the "Monroe Doctrine" ie US hegemony in their backyard (South America).

By the way, US has not been a benevolent imperialist, like their peers they too have committed numerous human right violations and acted in the true spirit of imperialism. Chile, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, Brazil u name it they have their finger prints.