US Conspiracy to Destablize Pakistan?

Re: # 340

Massaddi Mian:

"....I graduated summa cum laude,..."

This prove that you have a complex, also does not disprove that you may be the *** that you called upon to disprove.

What is the basis of Marxism? What is that depression proved?

I do not even bother to tell you what "New Deal" was all about.

Many people roam these streets and they will someday make a difference in the lives of our people

Note what I wrote on Jan 12

#83 Posted by masadi on January 12, 2008 1:14:16 pm
Regarding US involvement in the BB case, it is no stretch of the imagination to note that the US has always supported the military and the dictators it throws up in Pakistan. In fact so close is the relationship that Pakistan Army, totally alien to the Pakistanis, is a foreign occupation force doing the bidding of the US to the extreme deteriment of Pakistan. The the "deal" involving the dominant and lesser institutions, the military and the political would enhance the status quo (strengthen the dominant institution) and not "democracy" should be no surprise to any thinking person, that is why the US was pushing for the "deal", first and foremost to salvage the uniform and military from Musharraf, which was achieved after much bloodletting and lathi charge and emergency, and later to pave the way for a new military takeover to overcome the "love lost" of the earlier (1999) one. This second part of the deal was what the BB was beginning to understand and coming around, and so the "deal or no deal" was turning out to be a no-deal. That is why the US found it quite convenient, using the Pakistan Army (with whom it had a dual fulfillment of purpose in this) to get rid of the BB.

Now read what Fatima Bhutto says to CNN yesterday:

KARACHI, Pakistan (CNN) -- Some of the toughest criticism of Pakistan's pro-democracy movement comes from an unlikely source: the 25-year-old niece of Benazir Bhutto, who says Pakistani party politics do nothing but support military rule. It's an environment, she said, her late aunt is partly responsible for.

Fatima Bhutto says she's not interested in "perpetuating a really ineffectual form of politics ... because of my name."

"At this stage, we are in a state in Pakistan where so-called democratic forces are only interested in coming into office. So ultimately, they only prop up dictatorships," she told CNN from her home in Karachi.

Anil you need to shut up when you dont know something. I graduated summa cum laude, top of my class, beating out all chinese, Indians and US students in my university in economics. Now go ___ yourself

Re: # 337

Massaddi Mian:

You have ZERO kowledge of economies and negative knowledge of wealth creation and capitalism.

So quit inviting SOBs to disprove anything you claim. You must figure out why you have negative knowledgde. You devour and destroy knowledge and then hurl insults. You are so dishonest that you cannot acknowledge your weaknesses, let alone work on them. Learn it, when I was wrong and I apologized to you.

The fact that you abuse, you disprove everything yourself. No one does a better job than you, yourself.

BTW, Capitalism can never be in your par course of 7th Century and Mills. On top of it you showed your ignorance of Marxism when you acknowledge all time high Wealth, also. You do not even know what Marxist principles are based on.

I do not have knowledge of Islam or Quran, to determine if your knowledge in these two is strong and accurate.

You could not answer simple questions that had been put to you. You have no decency to debate, because you have nothing to debate. Your garbled thought are around recycled and discarded ideas, and your filthy vocabulary - SOB or not SOB.

You cannot even acknowledge that KNOWLEDGE is all time high too, because you have no idea of knowledge before and after your par course - one more time 7th Century and Mills. You know it too well that this acknowledgement will make you rethink entire basis that you have faked your thesis upon.

I challenge any sob to disprove what I have written in #337.

By the way capitalism died its natural death during the Great Depression, what exists now is thuggery to manage looting. With the New Deal capitalism lay down its arms and surrenderd to socialism. It died as a system long before the collapse of the SU.

chalta writes "when the great depression came, the US populace was not vested 95% int he capital markets directly and indirectly. When the great depression came, there were no social services in teh country aside from faith based housing and soup kitchens. When the depression came there were no safeguards, monetary polciy that can cushion downturns in the economic cycles."

Like I said before this fool throws out shit without knowing a single thing about what he writes. Explain to me please how "vesting" in the stock market will prevent depressions? Even though these numbers are BS, major stock is still owned by the top 1%, the rest of the so called 95% own next to nothing, how can they when the bottom 40% of the US is deep in debt with zero net worth? So you say when the inherent "down" cycle comes and people not only lose their jobs but the value of their savings that will somehow prevent the "great depression"

Then if no social services existed isn't that pure capitalism, why put socialism into the mix to save the system, and don't give me your monetary policy shit, it can in no way prevent a great depression when it comes. What you have been hearing about America's economic collapse is "inherent" in the capitalistic mode of production unless WW2 comes up to rescue them or the try to invent WW2 as America has been doing ever since the New Deal in order to drive back social services and the socialism it has been forced to incorporate into its system, much like the minorities it has been forced to incorporate into the system, and whenever a fool from among the peons of the pure capitalists comes along like GWB and drives back social services and starts war to counter the slump, you can be damn sure the depression is around the corner unless you have a better manager of this tyranny come along like Clinton....now go F yourself

#331 Posted by chaltahai on January 22, 2008 1:43:34 pm


BTW, I head this doom and gloom back


It has a name: America Is Doomed Syndrome(AIDS for short)..it is spread by unprotected intellectual copulation between leftists and islamists...

no, I meant in aggregate India, Japan and other countries hold much more. I don;t think a punitive chinese strategy will benefit china at all. Which side of the fence do you think Japan sits? It is still a formidable economy and even more formidable global aspriations. Most countries will hold reserves in multiple currencies, I am not sure if they are all ready to dump the dollar for the Euro or Renminbi yet.


Bubba, wall street peole becomes crooks when the market goes down and they are not mentioned when the markets are booming. Unscrupulousless hurt wall street workers and HNW investors more than main street in the recent subprime debacle. Products like CDO's and CLS's are bought and sold by banks who created the market, investors were hedgefudns and alike. I am not sure if any one on chowk has CDO's in their protfolio.

Law is protecting exactly whom in wall street? I haven't seen bailouts for insitutions...where are you getting this from?

bubba: how do you fight a financial war?

Re: # 330 Posted by chaltahai on January 22, 2008 1:35:40 pm

[Bubba yaar, India, Japan and EU hold more in US treasuries than China.]

Are you claiming that India has more than 1.4Trillion USD? I am surprised that The Economist magazine does not identify that kind of wealth in India's foreign reserves.

It is well known that China has over 1.4 Trillion USD (out of 14.4T US GDP) That is almost 10% of the US GDP. What kind of economic books are you reading about India's foreign reserves?

[#331 Posted by chaltahai on January 22, 2008 1:43:34 pm
Economic downturnsa re part and parcel of the capitalist system...America is not going anywhere..]

And nobody is suggesting that America is going anywhere. It is only its innocent people that are being shafted by the unscrupulous financial gurus like people at Bear Sterns, BAC, Wachovia Bank.

Did you hear that the State of Maryland is suing Wells Fargo for over charging its minority community with their interest rates?

[..you can shift allocations to manage volatility but your options are cash or equivalents not other markets.]

This issue is not only about the stock market but what happens between humanity and the wall street. People are being shafted by those crooks on the wall street, and the law seems to be protecting them. It is about time that Congress passes some laws to protect its financial house.

BTW, I head this doom and gloom back in 1987, when I was a senior in highschool, again in 1991-2 when I graduated from college, in 2001 after 9/11...in 2003 to a lesser degree. Economic downturnsa re part and parcel of the capitalist system...America is not going anywhere..it is still the most innovative place in teh world. Capital flows ebb and flow, credit crunches happen...investors in teh long term still favor US than otehr places. it is not going to change for a very long time..you can shift allocations to manage volatility but your options are cash or equivalents not other markets.

when the great depression came, the US populace was not vested 95% int he capital markets directly and indirectly. When the great depression came, there were no social services in teh country aside from faith based housing and soup kitchens. When the depression came there were no safeguards, monetary polciy that can cushion downturns in the economic cycles.

Bubba yaar, India, Japan and EU hold more in US treasuries than China. If you for a moment think this is just a value play..you are mistaken.

Re: # 323 Posted by chaltahai on January 22, 2008 11:31:01 am

[....with the widest of asset classes for the investor set.] ok, with $1.4 Trillion Chinese money back into the US economy, buying treasury bills. This is what we usually call "funny money". Now, once again, the US is heading for cheap money and worthless dollar, and once again, the "financial gurus" (those creative geniuses!) will once again trap millions of people in their "get rich schemes" and once again, another group of people will be wiped out in 5 years or so.

US is heading for a financial war with the rest of the world, and the weapon of choice is the dollar. You keep USD at your own risk. If China does not get away from pegging their curreny to the dollar, we will have dollar equal to the Chinese curreny to equal out the current account deficit. How about that?

chaltahai, your perseverance and patience is to be admired(T)