US Conspiracy to Destablize Pakistan?

Re: # 111 Mr.Zeemax is right in importance of things of India. India is marginal player in car making. Now nano car business may hit good success as poor indians need some safe "PLATFORM". Please note I say "platform" not car it is basically a bullock cart and instead of bullocks they have some weak crapy engine with power of 33 horses. In Karachi some time ago a car mechanics did same stuff and was fine. But advanced tansport system here will not allow a platform run at 60 miles max ( in theory) in motorways where speed really higher ( over 160 km/hour) is common though illeagal. This Nano will fly way when it tries to go on Motorways. This roads are not crapy roads like India designed for mixed mode like bullock carts and men sitting on donkeys and indian trucks roaring at 15 KM/hour, even indian donkeys and bullocks better than crappy 15km/hour national average speed. Now one has to understand poverty of India is to forgive them , they are finding "local solutions". Nano will never have demand as even if in right lane pakistani cars will over run such slow bullock cart like platform. Also Indians are underweight people so they can carry this family of 5 with underweight man and wife and children. Compared to Indian family health and weight and size( more than 5 to six children) of pakistani family is robust and hefty so 3o horses can not pull all stuff at 60 mph, the motor will burn. Any way its funny as if you take opium worth 50 rupees you get wonderful crazy ideas.Now this company is building plant on blood of poor farmers and this company has hired communist party and govt of communists to make conditions following their mentors in China. They are killing people so land can be given to tata company for free. ONLY GOOD PART IS IT EXPOSED INDIAN STUPIDITY , THEY ARE FIRST IN WORLD TO ELECT DEMOCRATICALLY GODLESS COMMUNISTS FOR 50 YEARS , LET US PRAY GEORGE BUSH NOTES THIS FACT.
Now Indians have kind of lost mental balance and they are conspiring to take over Juguar and landrover a great English co. Now people who buy this cars are not dirt poor Indians which look at Nano as gods chariot. No rich from white real foreign person will touch a luxury car with Eight 8 cylinders made by Indians. They have image problem as they used "gandhi" as publicity stunt. Hope they understand difference between nano silly stuff and landrover is more like miserable gandhi and suit boot wearing Jinnah. My feeling is indians will loose big money in landrover as people will not like to drive car with owners in India.
Softwere is ok , no body bothers how and where it was made as name carried is microsoft company counts. Indians are biting too big to chew. But also british are miserable people to give and allow Indians to be arrogent owners of british symbols. Britain is going to dogs , they are shameless people, thier queren was empress and Kaiser E Hind and how much english people have come down. Shame on them to surrender to indians and beg to be bought by communist company from India. Good night.

Re: # 113 Now rich white or even brown dark people buy Landrover or Juguar do not buy for transportation , that can be done cheaply by japan and korea car. THis rich people buy this overpriced stuff to make a statement , they are rich and do not care about money, it is same as drinking Chivas regal when local brew at 1/200 price can also shoot you to stars as rocket faster and quicker. People drink ordinary stuff but they claim to drink british wisky from scottlands for status. Same way these car are symbols to state we are not ordinary no nothing people. No rich man will like to pay that type of money for car made in India. May be indians should have consulted managemet dept at Lahore.

Re: # 109
What is "RFQ" ? thanks in advance

Re: # 50 bulleya writes:["... more than likely, these, "bankers" carry a Pakistani passport with a US green card ..."]

Actually there is another legal solution which gets you Paki citizenship facilities without giving up the visa-free travel convenience of a North America or European passport.

I carry my US passport and a Paki green card, the one that is actually green in color. I'm talking about the NADRA Pakistani origin card for overseas diaspora. It entitles you to everything that a citizen is in Pakistan (except life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and equity of justice -- but who wants those trivial things any way?), plus you need no visa to enter Pakistan with a foreign passport.

...SR

All the conspiracy lovers are going to love this.

...SR


"...The IMU now is making statements against the Pakistan government according the Adnkronos International, which is an Italian news agency formed in 2003 to report news of the Middle East. The IMUs support for the Red Mosque confirms foreign connections to the Red Mosque terrorists. There are reports that the IMU has been infiltrated by Indian, and anti-Pakistan elements.

Islamic movement of Uzbekistan and Uzbek militants in North Waziristan, Qadri Tahir Yaldeshiv, in a video message, according to Adnkronos International. He also urged Muslims to avenge the Lal Masjid operation in July 2007 that left more than 100 militants and hardcore madrassa students dead, the German news agency said.Yaldshiv also talked about the need for strict Sharia law in Pakistan. “Pakistan came into being in the name of Islam, therefore Islam should be enforced in the country.�

The Uzbek commander is not popular among pro-Taliban militants in North Waziristan. Hundreds of his men were killed early last year in an offensive by local tribal fighters led by Mullah Nazir.

The rivalry was renewed last week when suspected Uzbek militants attacked two pro-Taliban offices in North Waziristan, killing eight. There are reports that local tribesmen have assembled an army of hundreds to avenge the killings.

The government of Pakistan has to discuss the actions of the Uzbek residents with Uzbekistan. This cross-border terrorism should not go unpunished.

For full text read at the link:

http://moinansari.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/the-implications-of-the-islamic-m ovement-of-uzbekistan-threats-to-pakistan-are-thse-threats-real-are-these-threat s-orchestrated-misinformation-to-get-pakistan-to-retaliate-against-the-uzbeks-an d-dis/

#111 Posted by mohar11,

if you look at the current events, indian presence is spreading fast, particularly in the business world.

The business world is a house of cards. All it will take is a CDO meltdown for USA to go back to 1929 and take away the world's export market. This is easily foreseen just with a few further shocks after the subprime.

What counts is political domination, and that is the game in which the Indians are nowhere near being players. That's what I meant.

Re: # 113

ahmedmadani sahib,

.... you have painted very bleak picture of our neighbors - it is this kind of comparison that has given us a little self esteem and hope .... if we started comparing ourselves to real people like the scandinavians or the japanese we would be really depressed!

... anyway, an rfq is a 'request for quotation' .... pakistani madrassas get them from al-qaeda when they are shopping for a suicide bomber .... maybe you can get your friend masadi to respond to one of those .....

#109 Posted by hamidm2,

hamidm I guess my #118 answered your question.

However, I look forward to your invitation to 'the Mile' while it lasts.

... to further illustrate, it is the Indians who are playing the business game ... while being minuscule in comparison to the Chinese, who while in business, are not playing that game at all. Whatever they're playing is all political.

Money/business etc doesn't matter when you look 50 years ahead.

My friend, I like Sanatani because he is 'honest', not because he may be a Punjabi or anything else. I believe he is the only hindu on these boards who argues his enmity without insults and needless jokes upon his opponents as other Indians do. I respect that.


Oye Paincho oye kanjoor oye malang de tharak de padaish tu macho Puanjabi bhaichara phul reya hai tera maan de teri paan de teri teh di oye kuttya kanjara main tenu vand deya ga. Relax I am adressing the muhajir types. See I have such excellent double standards even if you make a mistake I shall abuse them not bro Punjabis

On another note so long as we can help it we would not like to split Pakistan, but if things get out of hand nuke it (honestly). I mean if we cannot have a friendly neighbour as Pakistan we are not intersted in friendly Sindhudesh and Jinnahpur. Also keep these types with you. We do NOT WANT THEM BACK UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

We would love Akhand Bharat if all of you rveretd back to the mother religion but not these types even if they do so.

Please remember May 12 should be avenged. The average Panju in Delhi is so kanjar that he cannot do the same against their cousins, I am hoping the average Panjoo in Lahore is not equally so Kanjar.

Regards
Sanatani

Nobel Prize for Madani Sahib for his eloquent thoughts.

What he has said in 113 is very true. All mussalmanas should say uPar Allah neeche Madani.

300 Cheers for Madani Sahib hip hip Hurray. Tis a pity he is not Hindu then we could say Shree Shree 1007 Madani Sahib Shree Shree 1008 being god.

Sanatani

Re: # 114

Dear ahmedmadani sahib,

please, for the sake of your prophet and his resting place, stop embarrassing yourself by making these absurd statements. We should have the grace to acknowledge their success, by doing so we lose nothing but gain another friend.

Re: # 119

or may be sour grapes? -- to reassure you guys in the areas of your poor self-esteem -- personally I prefer one horse power TaanGa to 30 horse power tumtum.....:)

#122 Posted by Sanatani,

if we cannot have a friendly neighbour as Pakistan we are not interested in friendly Sindhudesh and Jinnahpur.

Haha ... that's why I like you. You say it like it is. Maan di bhen di apart :)

Re: # 108

Zeemax Sahib:

In "my enemy's enemy...", the enemy is the U.S. and other Nato countries. Enemy's enemy is who the U.S. etc. are fighting. Sanatani is a non-consequential Hindoo.

Brits and Muslims came to India for reasons. Imeprialism and then colonialism were their reasons for their arrival. If they had not arrived, you would not have happened. India never gave empty coffers to muslim imperialism or to British Colonialists. You may like to believe, Indians before their arrivals were empty beggars. There is a clear difference how Arabs viewed it, and how the Chinese viewed those times in India. Your view may be a reflection of this difference also.

In tomorrow's world, labor, capital and technology move faster than the Islamic sword ever could.

I read an article where Al Gore explained that collective force of Technology today, is as big as forces of nature. Therefore, it would be foolish to underestimate this force of Sanatani knowledge workers.

There can be no doubt in your mind also that Islam has lost this initiative. This cavalry of knowledge worker is more powerful than anything ever produced in the past, be it Islamic or not. Zeemax sahib, please do not live in the past. Cetain followers of your religion are unable to understand the difference and live in Islam's past glory.

Tomorrow's world is not same as the past.

Cavalry of Sanatani like knowledge workers will be no less potent than Islam's cavalry with sword and message thru sufism was. Do not discount and live by the past. Whether, this army conquers world's economy or merely becomes subjugated and hired hand, is something Sanatani & Co has to learn from their history, and not repeat historical mistakes.

zeemax #118 "What counts is political domination"

"Political domination" means the the ability to control some other nation's (or group's) actions. Thus, the concept is based on a world-view where you are fighting one another. The true frontier lies in the boundaries of mankind's reach - whether the boundary is in the realm of physics or biology or mars exploration or environmental control or any of the various disciplines of knowledge (like archaeology, astrnonomy) or technology (computer sciences, robotics, superconductivity) that empower mankind as a whole.

Who is fighting on the true frontier? the best and the brightest from around the world, working from places likee the US, Europe, Japan.

Who is rushing to join this fight on this true frontier? China, closely followed by India, Brazil and smaller but equally stable and progressive nations.

Who is nipping at the heals of those fighting on the true fronter, or else biting and clawing one another? Those whose "frontier" is much more narrowly defined, being limited to the boundaries of their tribal community, religious group, or at most national boundary. In other words, those who are no different than a pack of wolves who seek domination, follow the "alpha male" (as dictators whether they are in uniform or wearing beards try to portray themselves to be), and are either totally irrelevant to the true struggle that mankind is engaged in or at most (as in case of 9/11 hijackers) have nuisance value that diverts the world attention from the real struggle mankind should be engaged in.

That is profound thought for the day. :-)