US Conspiracy to Destablize Pakistan?

Re: # 128

Dear tahmed32,

welcome back and very well said.

Re: # 128

Tahmed sahib:

Very well said. There was a special on Technology in India and China in the Economist. This was the title headline of that issue of the Economist cover page. This entire cover page showed Musharraff and prominently displayed "Pakistan as the most dangerous place." If you can get this, please read the entire section on India and China and their race for technology to go to the moon, and why the west should not hinder this competition between the two giants. Other interesting aspects were what these two nations delivered in technology to the world at various times in the past.

I found both the contrast and comparison very apt. Good reading for Hamidm sahib also.

Re: # 128

tahmed,

.... you are wrong... again ! ......zeemax is right, political domination is all that matters and, as far as the mohammedans are concerned, there is only one domination that counts and that is al-lah's domination on earth ....... as long as there is one infidel, one hindoo, one christian, one parsi, or - god forbid - one jew, left on earth the mission of the prophet (pbuh and his camel) will remain incomplete ........ this is the letter he sent to the negro king of abyssinia and then followed up with letters to other unbelievers :

From Muhammad the Messenger of Allâh to Negus, king of Abyssinia (Ethiopia).
Peace be upon him who follows true guidance. Salutations, I entertain Allah’s praise, there is no God but He, the Sovereign, the Holy, the Source of peace, the Giver of peace, the Guardian of faith, the Preserver of safety. I bear witness that Jesus, the son of Mary, is the spirit of Allâh (Ruh Allah) and His Word which He cast into Mary, the virgin, the good, the pure, so that she conceived Jesus. Allah created him from His spirit and His breathing as He created Adam by His Hand. I call you to Allah Alone with no associate and to His obedience and to follow me and to believe in that which came to me, for I am the Messenger of Allah. I invite you and your men to Allah, the Glorious, the All-Mighty. I hereby bear witness that I have communicated my message and advice. I invite you to listen and accept my advice. Peace be upon him who follows true guidance."

............ this, my latter day prophet friend, this is the true spirit of domination and damned are those who stray from the true path ....... who gives a flip about computer sciences, robotics, superconductivity and other such infidel nonsense when al-lah's kingdom has not been established ......... fool !

Re: # 130

anil mian,

... and this message is for you .....

"Submit to Islam and be safe. Or agree to the payment of the Jizya, and you and your people will be under our protection, else you will have only yourself to blame for the consequences, for I bring the men who desire death as ardently as you desire life."

.......... please continue to deposit the jizya into my pay-pal account or you will be getting a visit from zeemax .......

Re: # 132

Hamidm sahib:

Where do you find these messages?

hamid writes "... anyway, an rfq is a 'request for quotation' .... pakistani madrassas get them from al-qaeda when they are shopping for a suicide bomber .... maybe you can get your friend masadi to respond to one of those ..... "

Haram khors like you who have spent their lives chasing a lie and bowing to the white man, who are intellectually and morally bankrupt can only respond with made up BS against people who have totally stumped them with their arguments...keep on at it fool but remember that the shaitan will abandon you at your direst time of need.....now go F yourself...

tahmed writes "The true frontier lies in the boundaries of mankind's reach - whether the boundary is in the realm of physics or biology or mars exploration or environmental control or any of the various disciplines of knowledge (like archaeology, astrnonomy) or technology (computer sciences, robotics, superconductivity) that empower mankind as a whole."

The snake returns with his worship of the white man with BS rhetoric like the America democracy talk. These things you talk about above do not empower mankind as a whole rather they are used for perverse ends in order to enslave a larger than the past proportion of mankind by a tiny elite that you worship. Science and men of science are in the service of power and militarising all discoveries for the purpose of domination of the many by the few, that these discoveries only later for the purpose nof profit making seep into the consumer arena and even there they serve to dumb down humanity and not empower it in any way whatsoever. Those restoring human dignity and expanding the human mind are those who understand this BS, share it with the rest of humanity and challenge those that are enslaving humanity. In that field, there are many but just one of those with very little reach like myself are expanding the horizons of humanity much more, let me emphasis that much more by a factor of ten, than all the sceintists of China, India, Brazil, US and Europe that are in the service of power, COMBINED.

Now go F yourself......worshipper of the white man's shit....

Re: # 133

anil mian,

... just google "muhammad's message to abyssinia" and "khalid walid message to persia" and you can get the text of these historic texts that still warm the cockles of masadi's cold heart ..... look, islam was founded on the principle of world domination and until muslims realize that collecting a nickle from every cup of coffee at a starbucks in every corner of the world is just as good as collecting jiziya from infidels, you guys have to watch out .......

Re: # 135

masadi mian,

...... you should really see a shrink ..... just read what you wrote :

"Those restoring human dignity and expanding the human mind are those who understand this BS, share it with the rest of humanity and challenge those that are enslaving humanity. In that field, there are many but just one of those with very little reach like myselfare expanding the horizons of humanity much more, let me emphasis that much more by a factor of ten, than all the sceintists of China, India, Brazil, US and Europe that are in the service of power, COMBINED."

......... first i thought you were simply delusional or mildly schizophrenic, now i am, beginning to think that you really cuckooo .... get some professional help instead of abusing poor tahmed .....

hamid writes "... just google "muhammad's message to abyssinia" and "khalid walid message to persia" and you can get the text of these historic texts that still warm the cockles of masadi's cold heart ....."

Like every third rate liar, he cannot manage to show you a single statement from a proper source i.e the Quran, so he has to come up with manufactured letters that like BB's will were invented to legitimize the power grab of perverts, attributed by hook or by crook to the prophet. What "warms" the cockles of my caring heart is the yearning of the suffering masses for social justice and the ability to lead a human existance which is denied to them by the swines that tahmed and hamidm worship

rf #129 Thanks for the welcome back. Glad we agree on the bigger picture on how the battle lines are drawn.

anil #130 It is indeed helpful to keep this bigger picture in mind. Will check out the Economist. There is also an excellent article in Foreign Affairs that basically argues that the rise of China may (contrary to past history when the rise of new powers inevitably led to conflict with the older powers) in fact prove peaceful and stabilizing. The article is titled "The Rise of China and the Future of the West" by G. John Ikenberry and the link is given below. With the neo-cons discredited, hopefully the next elections will lead to the US taking the lead in facilitating this process. With China and India joining the ranks of the progressive nations (particularly if China's one-party dictatorship gradually erodes due to the emergence of more pluralistic society), there is every reason to be hopeful that mankind would have made a permanent transition from internecine fighting to one geared to fighting on the "true frontiers" (i.e. to extend science and knowledge and mankind's options and control over the vast resources of the solar system).

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20080101faessay87102/g-john-ikenberry/ the-rise-of-china-and-the-future-of-the-west.html

hamidm #131 you start by saying i am wrong, and then go on to knock down straw men you set up, not anything i said. so do me a big favor and comment on what i wrote if you wish, but dont comment on stuff you made up.

masadi #135 Ignoring your usual abuse, this is the substance of what you are saying: ". These things you talk about above do not empower mankind as a whole "

You use the internet (developed by the US Department of Defense!!) to write the above. That proves what a hypocrite you are, and how empty your arguments.

Also, in order not to be a hypocrite: Shut off the electricity (developed in the west), turn off plumbing, throw away books in the english language, dont call for a regular doctor when you fall ill (pir, fakirs are OK), dont use a motorized vehicle (go on your donkey instead). Then tell me that the advancements I was talking about dont benefit you.

#140 tahmed writes "With China and India joining the ranks of the progressive nations (particularly if China's one-party dictatorship gradually erodes due to the emergence of more pluralistic society), there is every reason to be hopeful that mankind would have made a permanent transition from internecine fighting "

What we have come to expect of snakes is fluff and nonsense veiled within the rhetoric of his masters that of referring to all non Western nations as being non-progressive (a milder term they use compared to uncivilized). Here he wants to include China and India FINALLY into the progressive camp because after rejecting the West and developing as a result they have opened up to being raped by it. He mentions internecine fighting deliberately glossing over the fact that the most militaristic nation that has bombed nations much smaller, weaker and poorer than it over BS excuses has been the US. If there ever were uncivilized barbarians running rampant over the face of the entire earth, not stopped by mountains or seas or TRUTH, that group have been the US elite and he wants to use fluff and all kinds of BS, hypocritical talk about knowledge and democracy and freedom (like his masters do) so that mankind is distracted and it is much easier to rob them blind. We will no longer fall for this shit. Take your fluff, and you sweet talk and shove it up your master's a$$. Recognized these snakes for what they are, never let down your guard; this is my advice to you folk, and you know, sure as hell, who the sincere one is over here: one who sells out his folk and calls them uncivilized compared to the white man, every opportunity he gets, or the one who desires to free you from the shackles that those colonial masters of old have trapped you in for centuries.....

Tahmed writes "You use the internet (developed by the US Department of Defense!!) to write the above. That proves what a hypocrite you are, and how empty your arguments."

Unlike you I am not a slave to the West to be happy with crumbs they hand out. Information is dominated by a handful of giant corporations, the internet allows the privilaged few, those that can afford a computer (a very small percent of mankind) to reach even a smaller percent of mankind because of all the congestion, and it makes control and tracking people and finances and nations much easier as they integrate into it. Knowledge is nobody's property, it is not Western or Eastern, it is being abused and manipulated by the Western elite to dominate and control mankind when, were it not for the foundations provided by multiple cultures these very people would be grovelling in the caves. I will not turn off any of the very few facilities that modern invention provides me simply because the Western elite do not own it and without the help of other could never have invented it. I will use it to liberate mankind to the best of my ability as they are using it to enslave them, and you can go F yourself....