US Conspiracy to Destablize Pakistan?

tahmed writes "dont call for a regular doctor when you fall ill "

It takes money to call a doctor and over 45 million in America without health insurance cannot do it even if they wanted to, the others are manipulated, drugged up the wazoo and thousands killed through useless operations every year all for making money, not to mention that Western medicine was far inferior to Eastern medicine that provided the foundation for it surgery and all before the modern era when the white man went on his rampage around the world to monopolize its wealth, and use his inventions to rob mankind further, the medical industry in the US is a prime example....

tahmed writes "Then tell me that the advancements I was talking about dont benefit you."

You were talking about empowerment and not "benefit". They certainly do not either empower me (rather make me dependent on others and the job that will pay for them) or benefit me in any real terms. The only "benefit" that accrues to me (and books and writing and communication was not "invented" by the West) is because society in which I have to live has been designed around these so called conveniences that are benefitting a tiny elite and not the mass of people (the privilaged few nonetheless) that use them. You being a myopic shrink cannot look at the bigger picture of how this standardization is culturally starving and enslaving the people. These things would have been of no benefit (leave alone empowerment) to me were I living in a different society not designed around such manipulation...

Re: # 136

And do not forget Ahmadinejad's letter to Bush.

people can also tell how intellectually weak and myopic your arguments are compared to mind, an enslaved mind is very much inferior to one that is not restricted by material and man worship....

in #148 read "compared to mind" as compared to mine

Re: # 118 zee

Your post makes no sense... Political clout is built on business and economic power... so if business is "house of cards", as you say, then so would be politics... Business is not house of cards - there will always be ups and downs - normal business cycles...

true that india is nowhere in picture in that sense... but that will change, if india can continue build up business and economically...

#144 Posted by masadi on January 20, 2008 2:34:53 pm


the Western elite do not own it and without the help of other could never have invented it.


US elite don't own the internet? google mae west or mae east..that is, if you're not averse to using google because it wasn't invented by abu-al-camelsbutt..

arjun writes "US elite don't own the internet?"

Look freak, they don't simply because knowledge is nobody's "property". Is that concept too damn hard for you to understand?

#152 Posted by masadi on January 20, 2008 4:48:36 pm

masadi...if you've ever studied computer science, physics or chemistry, you'd know that there's almost no reference book by any muslim author...almost none...OTOH, the indians and the chinese, living in the gutter as you claim they do, have produced a surprising number of books used as reference by the kids of the US elite(TM).

arjun writes "no reference book by any muslim author..."

And to think of it until just a few centuries back all reference books were by authors with Muslim names, containing not only translations and compilations but much original work unlike the reference books you are referring to, and don't put my comments about the "gutter" out of context, freak

#154 Posted by masadi on January 20, 2008 5:43:44 pm


And to think of it until just a few centuries back all reference books were by authors with Muslim names, containing not only translations and compilations but much original work unlike the reference books you are referring to


really? the reference books I'm talking about aren't original..and abu al-camelsbutt's book from the 9th century was a reference book?

care to cite references from "a few centuries back"?

masadi, zeemax:

I never said that Indo-Pak hostility is a one-way street. But I was addressing the topic at hand which is the current political situation in Pakistan.

...and as I said, things are changing. It is refreshing to read Pakistani news media these days and finding almost a complete lack of venom for India and even those horrible hindoos. During the recent cricket matches between India and Pakistan, the bonhomie between the opposing players on and off field was heart-warming and a pleasant contrast to the ugly scenes between Australian and Indian players.
...but chowk is as yet untouched by this change of winds, but this will change, too.

tahmed,

... you senile old fool ! ..... all i was trying to do was point out that 'domination' through science, technology and business is not the muslims' cup of kava ...... we are supposed to follow the example of the prophet (pbuh and his camel) who went to war with anyone and everyone who refused to believe in the moon god ....... that attitude lives on in people like masadi and zeemax ....... that's all i was trying to say .......

tahmed,

.... and please don't mind me calling you a 'senile old fool' ..... i say that because you remind me of what i could be like in a few years ...... it is a scary thought

Arjun writes "care to cite references from "a few centuries back"? "

It is not my job to educate ignorant fools here. The state of education today is such that there is no ONE reference for any subject, maybe just parts of a subject in which the Indians and the Chinese certainly are not at the forefront; they are all compilations, and accumulations given the state of knowledge itself which grown incrementally and has not been monopolized by any one religious, ethnic or national group whatsoever- which seems to be your obsession- the most anyone came to monopolizing it were the Muslims of the middle ages because unlike the Indian, Western and Chinese minds of the age their minds were free of superstition and bigotry so they could use the work of ohters and build upon it.

Let's see 1)Jabir Ibn Hayan, the father and sole reference on modern chemistry for centuries

2)Muhammad Ibn Musa al-Khwarazmi- Algebra and Mathematics- without which much of your modern Chinese and Indian "reference makers" would be worth shit.

3) Ibn Sina: the Canon of Medicine used as reference in the West till a couple of centuries back

4. Hunain Ibn Ishaq- greatest compiler of worldwide medical works known to date, without whose work none of your modern day "reference makers" would have amounted to anything

5) ibn Zakariyya ar Razi- pharmacology

6)Al- Farghani Elements of Astronomy- main reference on Astronomy in both the East and the West before the modern era

7)Ibn Khaldun Historiography and Sociology

Should I keep going on FREAK, now let us have your References from the Chinese and the Indians...go on, whatever shit they are they don't compare to the historical value of the above, I guarantee you that....


http://www.amazon.com/Lost-History-Enduring-Scientists-Thinkers/dp /1426200927

sanatani#102:

"If we take a small example of the number of abducted Hindu/Sikh women returned by Pak in 47 as comapred to Muslim women returned by India would give yuou a very good idea of who was the aggressor."

For this, you should blame instead the cowardly and regressive attitude of your coreligionists. The abducted Hindu/Sikh women knew that their brothers, fathers, husbands and even sons will refuse to accept that "patit" women who they had left behind in Pakistan and most of them took the right decision to stay back and put the pieces of their lives together. Those who took the opportunity to come to India wasted the rest of their lives in a Jalandar ashram. You may want to read Urvashi Butalia's well-researched accounts of how these women were discarded by their dear ones.

#102:
"Tis a pity he is not Hindu then we could say Shree Shree 1007 Madani Sahib Shree Shree 1008 being god."

Are you sure? For my money, madaniji is the most successful trol on chowk.