Mohammad Gill January 24, 2008
#9 Posted by blithe on January 27, 2008 12:45:32 pm
Lets build our institutions of democracy withOUT let or hinderance from the army.
#8 Posted by blithe on January 27, 2008 12:40:00 pm
# 5,
You say, "Asking the most powerful institution to submit to an audit is akin to asking a four-legged lion to donate his lunch to two-legged beasts."
Then why does it happen in all other civilised countries? why do we have tolerate a rouge army usurping our internal resources and trampling over our constitution?
I have enough respect in our civilians to hold the army accountable. Lets not sell ourselves short further by saying it is not in us. Democracy has to be revived in Pakistan.
We have had this army rule thrust upon again and again, raping our politics and intellectual thinking. We have had to come up with army's hard ceiling pressing aginst us. Nawaz Sharif and other politicians before him ,including a Z A Bhutto, had to also come up in this environemnt .
When you canot build tradition of democarcy , weird things do happen.. In Russain after the break up of the USSR , a mafioso class came about and is still prevalent in the political economy...
Lets build our institutions of democracy with let or hinderance from the army.
You say, "Asking the most powerful institution to submit to an audit is akin to asking a four-legged lion to donate his lunch to two-legged beasts."
Then why does it happen in all other civilised countries? why do we have tolerate a rouge army usurping our internal resources and trampling over our constitution?
I have enough respect in our civilians to hold the army accountable. Lets not sell ourselves short further by saying it is not in us. Democracy has to be revived in Pakistan.
We have had this army rule thrust upon again and again, raping our politics and intellectual thinking. We have had to come up with army's hard ceiling pressing aginst us. Nawaz Sharif and other politicians before him ,including a Z A Bhutto, had to also come up in this environemnt .
When you canot build tradition of democarcy , weird things do happen.. In Russain after the break up of the USSR , a mafioso class came about and is still prevalent in the political economy...
Lets build our institutions of democracy with let or hinderance from the army.
#7 Posted by arjun_5 on January 27, 2008 12:27:58 pm
#6 Posted by blithe on January 27, 2008 12:22:16 pm
Musharraf has amassed over USD 10mio in land allotments for himself
if he did, he only did it because he had no choice.
http://www.chowk.com/articles/4648
Musharraf has amassed over USD 10mio in land allotments for himself
if he did, he only did it because he had no choice.
http://www.chowk.com/articles/4648
#6 Posted by blithe on January 27, 2008 12:22:16 pm
# 4, for a fact they were not.
One of the reasons Mushrraf (with a non conscience army) desecrated the Supreme Court was because the Chief Justice was going to take up cases of farm houses being illegally built by officer on non-designated land (this also included Musharraf's plot).
Musharraf has amassed over USD 10mio in land allotments for himself (research done ny Ayshea Sideqa). He has land in phase 8 Lahore and he has a agricultural acreage in Bhawalpur.
The reason that his core commanders have stayed quite over his clowning around with Country is because Musharraf fed enough candy/ land to keep them quite (the anlogy is between a corrupt board that losses it indpendece to keep a check on the CEO) Each core commanded is multi-millionaire too.
This is unprecedented and blatant and institutionalized corruption.
The guy who dresses himself up in the Pakistan Flag and calls his passion to be Pakistan, is anything but selfless.
One of the reasons Mushrraf (with a non conscience army) desecrated the Supreme Court was because the Chief Justice was going to take up cases of farm houses being illegally built by officer on non-designated land (this also included Musharraf's plot).
Musharraf has amassed over USD 10mio in land allotments for himself (research done ny Ayshea Sideqa). He has land in phase 8 Lahore and he has a agricultural acreage in Bhawalpur.
The reason that his core commanders have stayed quite over his clowning around with Country is because Musharraf fed enough candy/ land to keep them quite (the anlogy is between a corrupt board that losses it indpendece to keep a check on the CEO) Each core commanded is multi-millionaire too.
This is unprecedented and blatant and institutionalized corruption.
The guy who dresses himself up in the Pakistan Flag and calls his passion to be Pakistan, is anything but selfless.
#5 Posted by tahir on January 27, 2008 11:21:51 am
Re: # 1
"Nawaz Sharif calls to make the army's budget accountable to parliment is very necessary?"
Seriously? Whose product is Nawaz anyway?
In the parliament all are related top to bottom in one way or the other. Asking the most powerful institution to submit to an audit is akin to asking a four-legged lion to donate his lunch to two-legged beasts.
Peace.
"Nawaz Sharif calls to make the army's budget accountable to parliment is very necessary?"
Seriously? Whose product is Nawaz anyway?
In the parliament all are related top to bottom in one way or the other. Asking the most powerful institution to submit to an audit is akin to asking a four-legged lion to donate his lunch to two-legged beasts.
Peace.
#4 Posted by arjun_5 on January 27, 2008 11:14:31 am
#1 Posted by blithe on January 27, 2008 10:07:10 am
Musharraf made the army officers so fatish, vulgar, power hungry, criminally rich, overnight land barrons, etc.
Right..because the paki army officers weren't into the whole prime real estate entitlement thing before mushy took power...
mmmmkay...
Musharraf made the army officers so fatish, vulgar, power hungry, criminally rich, overnight land barrons, etc.
Right..because the paki army officers weren't into the whole prime real estate entitlement thing before mushy took power...
mmmmkay...
#3 Posted by tahir on January 27, 2008 11:13:35 am
Re: # 2
Mr. Madani,
May other CHOWKies forgive you for the typos, the grammar and the syntax; I can't. How could you suggest that 'Everybody should hope and help president to carry us to dream of democracy.'
He has wet dreams, don't you know? And please don't side with dictators and stooges.
Peace.
Mr. Madani,
May other CHOWKies forgive you for the typos, the grammar and the syntax; I can't. How could you suggest that 'Everybody should hope and help president to carry us to dream of democracy.'
He has wet dreams, don't you know? And please don't side with dictators and stooges.
Peace.
#2 Posted by ahmedmadani on January 27, 2008 10:29:18 am
It sad recist remark by punjabi expak and exctement for people to kill president Musharraf. He has already declared he will be killed unless the leaves his post.( let us hope this professy does not become reality, you have seen anger of Sindhi awam who went on buring all railequipment, and banks, even best of MQM leadership will not be able to control millions of sindhi followers hindustani borned president,Karach will be nonfuctional.Hope punjabi recists desits from bad dreams, do not start fires it burn you. Let president have his tenure and after 5 years he will be gone and nobody remember as any gone presidents and prime ministers. PPP walas were saying same thing but fate is strange BB went to meet maker and general is dandy strong and going for foreign trips and Amerca stands like big wall behind him solidly.
President will expire his term in 5 years , 5 years is nothing, why not let things move slowly and deliberately as he has become locomotive for pakistan and pulling country ( a thankless job for ungrateful people)out to real democracy after long time ? Everybody should hope and help president to carry us to dream of democracy.
President will expire his term in 5 years , 5 years is nothing, why not let things move slowly and deliberately as he has become locomotive for pakistan and pulling country ( a thankless job for ungrateful people)out to real democracy after long time ? Everybody should hope and help president to carry us to dream of democracy.
#1 Posted by blithe on January 27, 2008 10:07:10 am
Musharraf made the army officers so fatish, vulgar, power hungry, criminally rich, overnight land barrons, etc., but I am glad to see that a certain segment in the army is using its intellect and looking beyond plum posting and dogma and army indoctrination, and raising its voice for Pakistan .
I want to see the army totakky shed its mercenary tendancies .... but this change will come from the outside, not withing ..(there are too many intelectually corrupt within). Nawaz Sharif's call to make the army's budget accountable to parliment is very necessary..
I want to see the army totakky shed its mercenary tendancies .... but this change will come from the outside, not withing ..(there are too many intelectually corrupt within). Nawaz Sharif's call to make the army's budget accountable to parliment is very necessary..
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