Musharraf’s Days are Numbered
Mohammad Gill January 24, 2008
#57 Posted by zeemax on January 29, 2008 6:34:40 am
Police encounter with Lashkar-e-Jhangvi in Landhi, Karachi. One DSP and a constable dead several injured. The person captured Qasim Toori of Jhangvi, is supposed to be wanted for the Corps Commander attack in Karachi. A sack full of 25 kg of ball bearings used in suicide bombings found from the premises.
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#56 Posted by Urstruly on January 29, 2008 5:50:22 am
A key member of dictator's legal dream team
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvrF1T7rH64
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#55 Posted by iron_mask on January 29, 2008 3:12:30 am
HP and Zeemax,
What is common between Jinnah, ZAB, Bibi - all shias
Was Zia ul haq a shia?
here are three bits of information
(a) In March 1987, a Saudi-backed Ahle Hadith leader,
Allama Ehsan Illahi Zaheer, and four other clerics were
killed in a bomb blast in Lahore. The Shias were the
prime suspects.
(b)The following year, TNFJ leader Ariful
Hussaini was murdered in Peshawar.
(c)When the Shia town of Gilgit in the Northern Areas was attacked thatsame year by a Sunni lashkar, the Zia governmentappeared complicit since the civil and military law enforcement agencies made no attempt to intervene.
Would you relate these three with the following event
(d)Zia's death in a midair explosion in 1988
source : http://merln.ndu.edu/archive/icg/sectarianisminpakistan.pdf
THE STATE OF SECTARIANISM IN PAKISTAN Asia Report N°95 – 18 April 2005,International Crisis Group
What is common between Jinnah, ZAB, Bibi - all shias
Was Zia ul haq a shia?
here are three bits of information
(a) In March 1987, a Saudi-backed Ahle Hadith leader,
Allama Ehsan Illahi Zaheer, and four other clerics were
killed in a bomb blast in Lahore. The Shias were the
prime suspects.
(b)The following year, TNFJ leader Ariful
Hussaini was murdered in Peshawar.
(c)When the Shia town of Gilgit in the Northern Areas was attacked thatsame year by a Sunni lashkar, the Zia governmentappeared complicit since the civil and military law enforcement agencies made no attempt to intervene.
Would you relate these three with the following event
(d)Zia's death in a midair explosion in 1988
source : http://merln.ndu.edu/archive/icg/sectarianisminpakistan.pdf
THE STATE OF SECTARIANISM IN PAKISTAN Asia Report N°95 – 18 April 2005,International Crisis Group
#54 Posted by iron_mask on January 29, 2008 12:11:36 am
Re: # 45
Dr Gill,
Spoken like a true democrat with the state of The State of Pakistan in heart. I wonder how many people here on chowk would even countenance "If the majority of people want Talbanization, let it be. I think esprit de corps is the essence of democracy".
Here is the thing - given that the taliba might come to power through the ballot box - what is there thatwould stop them from changing the rules to keep the power in their hands at all times?
Dr Gill,
Spoken like a true democrat with the state of The State of Pakistan in heart. I wonder how many people here on chowk would even countenance "If the majority of people want Talbanization, let it be. I think esprit de corps is the essence of democracy".
Here is the thing - given that the taliba might come to power through the ballot box - what is there thatwould stop them from changing the rules to keep the power in their hands at all times?
#53 Posted by zeemax on January 29, 2008 12:02:28 am
... re "Wasn't his the clinching vote that got Mir Zafarullah Jamali elected as the PML-Q candidate for PM?"
I don't know anything about that, but Azam Tariq's influence was mostly limited to the Jhang area. It is though true that he had succeeded to create a large contingent of bombers and organizational network in most of Punjab who were blowing up Shia mosques. Maybe ISI felt that could come in handy. Therefore the mystery surrounding the disappearance of his two top deputies - Riaz Basra and Akram Lahori.
I don't know anything about that, but Azam Tariq's influence was mostly limited to the Jhang area. It is though true that he had succeeded to create a large contingent of bombers and organizational network in most of Punjab who were blowing up Shia mosques. Maybe ISI felt that could come in handy. Therefore the mystery surrounding the disappearance of his two top deputies - Riaz Basra and Akram Lahori.
#52 Posted by zeemax on January 28, 2008 11:55:40 pm
#50 Posted by viqarm,
The Sipah-e-Muhammad was disbanded through efforts of Allama Sajid Naqvi when he joined MMA. It was not a shia/sunni affair.
The Sipah-e-Muhammad was disbanded through efforts of Allama Sajid Naqvi when he joined MMA. It was not a shia/sunni affair.
#51 Posted by zeemax on January 28, 2008 11:53:31 pm
Another mystery to be solved:
US embassy official found dead in Islamabad
By Munawer Azeem
ISLAMABAD, Jan 28: A security officer of the US embassy was found dead in his residence on Monday.
The embassy said no “foul play” was involved, but senior police officers thought otherwise.
They said it was too early to determine from the bullet wound in the skull of Mr Keith Ryan whether it was a case of suicide or homicide.
Keith Ryan, 37, was due to return to the US on Monday.
According to hospital and police sources, the embassy stopped the authorities from conducting post-mortem after the body was shifted to the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences.
Doctors there were allowed to carry out an external examination only. The embassy officials said an autopsy would be carried out in Germany.
The incident came to light when the embassy staff arrived at the house of Keith Ryan, on Street 63, Sector F-7/3, to take him to Islamabad airport for a US-bound flight.
As no response came from inside the house, the staff called police at around 9am. When they entered the house with the policemen, they found Mr Ryan lying in a pool of blood in the bathroom, a loaded pistol lying nearby.
The police and the embassy officials collected fingerprints and other evidence before shifting the body to Pims.
Sources at the hospital said Mr Ryan had a bullet wound in the back of his head. The bullet was still lodged in his skull, according to doctors.
Had he committed suicide by shooting himself through the mouth, the bullet would have exited, according to the doctors.
The medico-legal department of the hospital has asked the management to conduct an autopsy.
Mr Ryan, a senior official of the US Department of Homeland Security, was born in 1970. He was posted to Pakistan in Nov 2006. The department was set up after the Sept 11, 2001, attacks to keep an eye on immigrants.
Mr Ryan’s designation was senior special agent.
He leaves behind his wife and three young children.
The Islamabad police, in a report to the federal government, ascribed the death to suicide, but said a final opinion would be given only after an investigation.
US embassy official found dead in Islamabad
By Munawer Azeem
ISLAMABAD, Jan 28: A security officer of the US embassy was found dead in his residence on Monday.
The embassy said no “foul play” was involved, but senior police officers thought otherwise.
They said it was too early to determine from the bullet wound in the skull of Mr Keith Ryan whether it was a case of suicide or homicide.
Keith Ryan, 37, was due to return to the US on Monday.
According to hospital and police sources, the embassy stopped the authorities from conducting post-mortem after the body was shifted to the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences.
Doctors there were allowed to carry out an external examination only. The embassy officials said an autopsy would be carried out in Germany.
The incident came to light when the embassy staff arrived at the house of Keith Ryan, on Street 63, Sector F-7/3, to take him to Islamabad airport for a US-bound flight.
As no response came from inside the house, the staff called police at around 9am. When they entered the house with the policemen, they found Mr Ryan lying in a pool of blood in the bathroom, a loaded pistol lying nearby.
The police and the embassy officials collected fingerprints and other evidence before shifting the body to Pims.
Sources at the hospital said Mr Ryan had a bullet wound in the back of his head. The bullet was still lodged in his skull, according to doctors.
Had he committed suicide by shooting himself through the mouth, the bullet would have exited, according to the doctors.
The medico-legal department of the hospital has asked the management to conduct an autopsy.
Mr Ryan, a senior official of the US Department of Homeland Security, was born in 1970. He was posted to Pakistan in Nov 2006. The department was set up after the Sept 11, 2001, attacks to keep an eye on immigrants.
Mr Ryan’s designation was senior special agent.
He leaves behind his wife and three young children.
The Islamabad police, in a report to the federal government, ascribed the death to suicide, but said a final opinion would be given only after an investigation.
#50 Posted by viqarm on January 28, 2008 10:45:03 pm
Re: # 49 Zee Sahib,
This is the first time I have heard of ISI doing the job on Azam Tariq. The word was he was done in by Sipah-e-Mohammad in the continuing proxy war between SA and Iran.
What would have the ISI/govt gained by eliminating Azam Tariq. Wasn't his the clinching vote that got Mir Zafarullah Jamali elected as the PML-Q candidate for PM?
This is the first time I have heard of ISI doing the job on Azam Tariq. The word was he was done in by Sipah-e-Mohammad in the continuing proxy war between SA and Iran.
What would have the ISI/govt gained by eliminating Azam Tariq. Wasn't his the clinching vote that got Mir Zafarullah Jamali elected as the PML-Q candidate for PM?
#49 Posted by zeemax on January 28, 2008 10:21:33 pm
#28 Posted by pavocavalry
... there are three aspects of benazirs death.the sipah i sahaba was hijacked by ISI once Azam Tariq was murdered by ISI and all suicide bombers of Sipah i Sahaba went to ISI control.9 bullets alone were pumped in Azam Tariqs heart.
Quite accurate re Azam Tariq. Also it appears the suicide bombers and acomplices are all turning out to be Lashkar-e-Jhangvi as per recent arrests (Sargodha Airforce bus, Lahore High Court Attack, Sherpao two attacks, Musharraf, Shaukat Aziz). Given that Azam Tariq was assasinated and leadership of the Jhangvi Faction was in control of Riaz Basra and Akram Lahori, both of whom were reported killed at-least three times in different encounters, but speculation is that they disappeared! As I recall Riaz Basra's mother had refused to confirm identification of the body and had said it was not him.
Yes, you're definitely on to something here.
Then are the Chaudries of Gujrat and off course the Musharraf junta.
The Gujrat Chaudhries are more and more in the grapevine, for very sinister dealings. The recent arrest and deportation of Ch. Wajahat at Gatwick while returning from Barcelona is a very curious incident. British police were actually tipped off and were waiting for him.
Also, Benazir had specifically named them in her letter to musharraf as trying to kill her.
... there are three aspects of benazirs death.the sipah i sahaba was hijacked by ISI once Azam Tariq was murdered by ISI and all suicide bombers of Sipah i Sahaba went to ISI control.9 bullets alone were pumped in Azam Tariqs heart.
Quite accurate re Azam Tariq. Also it appears the suicide bombers and acomplices are all turning out to be Lashkar-e-Jhangvi as per recent arrests (Sargodha Airforce bus, Lahore High Court Attack, Sherpao two attacks, Musharraf, Shaukat Aziz). Given that Azam Tariq was assasinated and leadership of the Jhangvi Faction was in control of Riaz Basra and Akram Lahori, both of whom were reported killed at-least three times in different encounters, but speculation is that they disappeared! As I recall Riaz Basra's mother had refused to confirm identification of the body and had said it was not him.
Yes, you're definitely on to something here.
Then are the Chaudries of Gujrat and off course the Musharraf junta.
The Gujrat Chaudhries are more and more in the grapevine, for very sinister dealings. The recent arrest and deportation of Ch. Wajahat at Gatwick while returning from Barcelona is a very curious incident. British police were actually tipped off and were waiting for him.
Also, Benazir had specifically named them in her letter to musharraf as trying to kill her.
#48 Posted by ahmedmadani on January 28, 2008 9:04:38 pm
Whatever people can blame president. Soon moment of truth is coming 18th feb and we will elected people and general will go back in nonactive prssident mode. Musharraf i going to deliver democracy to people of nation, and its up to awam to take given democracy by general or follow again army rule. First time army allowing and General is pioneer.
#47 Posted by teshah on January 28, 2008 5:10:32 pm
Re: # 9
No Sir, Army can be checked only by another army as shown by the Tiger Niazi bowing before Arora and not Mujib. ZAB had also raised an armed civil force called FSF to counterpoise the army but it failed to deliver as he was toppled before the Force could be equipped with heavy arms like tanks and mortar guns.
No Sir, Army can be checked only by another army as shown by the Tiger Niazi bowing before Arora and not Mujib. ZAB had also raised an armed civil force called FSF to counterpoise the army but it failed to deliver as he was toppled before the Force could be equipped with heavy arms like tanks and mortar guns.
#46 Posted by arjun_5 on January 28, 2008 4:37:57 pm
#45 Posted by freethinker on January 28, 2008 3:59:10 pm
If the majority wants to ruin Pakistan in the name of Islam, let them decide.
that won't happen because if, allah forbid, the pious people of the the land of the pure were to demand more islam and not less, that would make your elite look pretty bad when they're at parties in the west...and we all know they won't stand for it..
If the majority wants to ruin Pakistan in the name of Islam, let them decide.
that won't happen because if, allah forbid, the pious people of the the land of the pure were to demand more islam and not less, that would make your elite look pretty bad when they're at parties in the west...and we all know they won't stand for it..
#45 Posted by freethinker on January 28, 2008 3:59:10 pm
VRV: #44
The situation in Pakistan is really complex. Musharraf can help by holding a fair election and then stepping down. He should announce that he isn’t having any political stake, before the elections are held, and that he would step down after the elections.
If the majority of people want Talbanization, let it be. I think esprit de corps is the essence of democracy. If the majority wants to ruin Pakistan in the name of Islam, let them decide. But I like to believe that this wouldn’t happen. Majority of the people would choose to keep religion where it belongs – at a personal level. The moderate Islam (however it may be described) will prevail. But as I said in the article that if the country is doomed, Musharraf alone cannot save it.
Mohammad Gill
The situation in Pakistan is really complex. Musharraf can help by holding a fair election and then stepping down. He should announce that he isn’t having any political stake, before the elections are held, and that he would step down after the elections.
If the majority of people want Talbanization, let it be. I think esprit de corps is the essence of democracy. If the majority wants to ruin Pakistan in the name of Islam, let them decide. But I like to believe that this wouldn’t happen. Majority of the people would choose to keep religion where it belongs – at a personal level. The moderate Islam (however it may be described) will prevail. But as I said in the article that if the country is doomed, Musharraf alone cannot save it.
Mohammad Gill
#44 Posted by VRV on January 28, 2008 2:29:17 pm
Dr. Gill,
It's like a jigsaw puzzle.
If Musharraf goes, Pak Taliban is not going to go away, which is the threat to the state of Pakistan as we know.
If Mush stays, the elected PM wud be anybody but if it's Sharifff, he's not going to work with Musharraf and there'd a crisis again.
If Pervez Ilahi becomes the PM, then hoi polloi is going to get restive and Pakistan wud not look any rosier.
In the meanwhile the marching Taliban wud knock the doors of Rawalpindi which wud pave the way for a potential Taliban Raj which may look outlandish now but not impossible though.
Pak Army of late is reminding me the French Army of WWII (no pun intended) given the spate of surrenders. Milbus adds to the complexity of the issue.
The inter-provincial tensions (esp in Baluchistan and the situation in Sindh after the assassination of Benazir) among the federating units make Pakistan look similar to Afghanistan (where Persians, Pashtuns, Uzbeks, Tadjiks and other enthincities live uneasily under one name i.e Afghanistan).
To sum up, the situation in Pakistan can be summarized in one word i.e 'extended instability' & Musharraf's exit is not going to make the picture any better.
It's like a jigsaw puzzle.
If Musharraf goes, Pak Taliban is not going to go away, which is the threat to the state of Pakistan as we know.
If Mush stays, the elected PM wud be anybody but if it's Sharifff, he's not going to work with Musharraf and there'd a crisis again.
If Pervez Ilahi becomes the PM, then hoi polloi is going to get restive and Pakistan wud not look any rosier.
In the meanwhile the marching Taliban wud knock the doors of Rawalpindi which wud pave the way for a potential Taliban Raj which may look outlandish now but not impossible though.
Pak Army of late is reminding me the French Army of WWII (no pun intended) given the spate of surrenders. Milbus adds to the complexity of the issue.
The inter-provincial tensions (esp in Baluchistan and the situation in Sindh after the assassination of Benazir) among the federating units make Pakistan look similar to Afghanistan (where Persians, Pashtuns, Uzbeks, Tadjiks and other enthincities live uneasily under one name i.e Afghanistan).
To sum up, the situation in Pakistan can be summarized in one word i.e 'extended instability' & Musharraf's exit is not going to make the picture any better.
#43 Posted by iron_mask on January 28, 2008 12:30:09 pm
Re: # 42 HP, HP you and zeemax are like two peas in a pod....the same idiomatic english...
But I see you are a fan of Eric Margolis and Ambassador Dean. Note the article where this first appeared (the World Policy Journal) removed the allegation from Barbara Crossette’s reflection on the incident.
Lets face it Zia's death is a mystery - he died in a plane incident. Bhutto and others - had the hands of Zia/Army, Bibi herself (according to Pak Newspapers), and now the Pak-Taliban-ISI.
Maybe you do subscribe the wild theories floating in http://www.ishipress.com/happened.htm
But I see you are a fan of Eric Margolis and Ambassador Dean. Note the article where this first appeared (the World Policy Journal) removed the allegation from Barbara Crossette’s reflection on the incident.
Lets face it Zia's death is a mystery - he died in a plane incident. Bhutto and others - had the hands of Zia/Army, Bibi herself (according to Pak Newspapers), and now the Pak-Taliban-ISI.
Maybe you do subscribe the wild theories floating in http://www.ishipress.com/happened.htm
#42 Posted by HP on January 28, 2008 12:05:03 pm
#38 Posted by iron_mask
"you need to go beyond the whispers.
When a statement like is made, it demands evidence and proof for it to stand on its own. "
Its like I said if you don't know, you don't know or don't get it.
This is perhaps a Pakistani secret no one is allowed in.
We know and you don't ....that is the end of the story!
"you need to go beyond the whispers.
When a statement like is made, it demands evidence and proof for it to stand on its own. "
Its like I said if you don't know, you don't know or don't get it.
This is perhaps a Pakistani secret no one is allowed in.
We know and you don't ....that is the end of the story!
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