Pervez Hoodbhoy January 27, 2008
#134 Posted by laddu on January 31, 2008 2:48:29 am
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#133 Posted by laddu on January 31, 2008 2:38:16 am
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#132 Posted by laddu on January 31, 2008 2:25:04 am
I felt like flagging red my own post - it is worth the pain - it carries the pain of millions of my idolator fore fathers butchered by the momeen hordes. It carries the pain of a civilization , a spiritual country terrorized and subdued for centuries..........yet the momeen terror could not break it......
I salute my fore fathers for the resistence that made my survival possible.
I salute my fore fathers for not accepting slavery to the cult of blood thirsty god.
Hari Om Tatsat!!!
I salute my fore fathers for the resistence that made my survival possible.
I salute my fore fathers for not accepting slavery to the cult of blood thirsty god.
Hari Om Tatsat!!!
#131 Posted by laddu on January 31, 2008 2:17:06 am
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#130 Posted by nkg on January 31, 2008 2:13:46 am
#126
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#123
When you create a whole country, in the name of Islam, you can not separate Islam from the public life. This is hard truth. Israel was created in the name of Judaism, but again, they were amongst the cream of Europe and Russia. So, bigotry had not taken the centre stage in Israel (rather, they made it the country for jews. Nothing more).
The intention of Mr. J was quite legitimate. The way he had tried to achieve this was very bad ( direct action day, great calcutta killing...). Unless and untill, you try to achieve something using peaceful method, violence will predominate the society. Jains are the best example of it.
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#123
When you create a whole country, in the name of Islam, you can not separate Islam from the public life. This is hard truth. Israel was created in the name of Judaism, but again, they were amongst the cream of Europe and Russia. So, bigotry had not taken the centre stage in Israel (rather, they made it the country for jews. Nothing more).
The intention of Mr. J was quite legitimate. The way he had tried to achieve this was very bad ( direct action day, great calcutta killing...). Unless and untill, you try to achieve something using peaceful method, violence will predominate the society. Jains are the best example of it.
#129 Posted by nkg on January 31, 2008 2:01:57 am
Re: # 126
The ideal of my behaviour remains Muhammad, not Taliban
Ans: Are they very much different? Whom are you trying to fool?
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Sorry....Most of the source of my information is from other web-sites....So....
The ideal of my behaviour remains Muhammad, not Taliban
Ans: Are they very much different? Whom are you trying to fool?
#127
Sorry....Most of the source of my information is from other web-sites....So....
#128 Posted by jayp on January 31, 2008 2:01:46 am
nkg,
Not so much an issue of self respect, but is that of an identity.
Pakistanis chose to take on the muslim identity, and they cannot go very far, because the leading light is in saudi arabia. They cannot take anything pre islamic, because that will destroy the TNT foundation.
Hence the poor pakistanis are doomed to be no-bodies. Many pakistanis in the west have tried to call themselves Desis, but no one else will take that identity.
It is a real tragedy, closest one can compare pakistan is to a congenital retarded child, blasted out by TNT.
Not so much an issue of self respect, but is that of an identity.
Pakistanis chose to take on the muslim identity, and they cannot go very far, because the leading light is in saudi arabia. They cannot take anything pre islamic, because that will destroy the TNT foundation.
Hence the poor pakistanis are doomed to be no-bodies. Many pakistanis in the west have tried to call themselves Desis, but no one else will take that identity.
It is a real tragedy, closest one can compare pakistan is to a congenital retarded child, blasted out by TNT.
#127 Posted by tahir on January 31, 2008 1:55:14 am
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#126 Posted by tahir on January 31, 2008 1:45:36 am
Mr. Laddu as if you were not enough; now we have NKG to join the ranks! Amazing bigotry and ignorance, all learnt from newspapers and so-called Islamic websites!
The funny part is, despite your hatred for invaders (there were others apart from Arabs, by the way) you're still able to practise your faith, keep mother India, project the nudist Bollywood culture, and whatever else.
Today, the world is what it is because you provoke perfectly normal humans into becoming irrational fools.
Well, you've tried that with me. The ideal of my behaviour remains Muhammad, not Taliban.
As for the sin of venomous comments on this forum, the CHOWK editors must bear it.
Try the Raam way, if not the rakhshas Rawan way please...
The funny part is, despite your hatred for invaders (there were others apart from Arabs, by the way) you're still able to practise your faith, keep mother India, project the nudist Bollywood culture, and whatever else.
Today, the world is what it is because you provoke perfectly normal humans into becoming irrational fools.
Well, you've tried that with me. The ideal of my behaviour remains Muhammad, not Taliban.
As for the sin of venomous comments on this forum, the CHOWK editors must bear it.
Try the Raam way, if not the rakhshas Rawan way please...
#125 Posted by nkg on January 31, 2008 1:23:47 am
Re: # 124
There is this thing about calling names. I read a letter in a newspaper the other day about an Indian diplomat in Islamabad paying a social visit to a friendly Muslim family. It said that a small boy of five or six, coming to know that the guests were from India, began to shout “Hindu kutta! Hindu kutta!” Who had taught him that? His elders or a biased book on social studies digested by his senior brothers and sisters? In any case it can hardly be his fault for he was too young to know what he was doing. But his family should have been ashamed of his uncivil behaviour.
Ans: I think, this is expected. Those who have surendered their identity to barbaric arab invaders ( the very person, who had raped their ancestors, destroyed their architecture, literature), what else you expect from them?
Any respect for the land that feeds?
Any respect for the 5000 years of great culture which he is part of?
The situation in Bangladesh is more ridiculous....
These people will always be slave to somebody, due to lack of self respect (whether USA, Saudi Arab etc...).
There is this thing about calling names. I read a letter in a newspaper the other day about an Indian diplomat in Islamabad paying a social visit to a friendly Muslim family. It said that a small boy of five or six, coming to know that the guests were from India, began to shout “Hindu kutta! Hindu kutta!” Who had taught him that? His elders or a biased book on social studies digested by his senior brothers and sisters? In any case it can hardly be his fault for he was too young to know what he was doing. But his family should have been ashamed of his uncivil behaviour.
Ans: I think, this is expected. Those who have surendered their identity to barbaric arab invaders ( the very person, who had raped their ancestors, destroyed their architecture, literature), what else you expect from them?
Any respect for the land that feeds?
Any respect for the 5000 years of great culture which he is part of?
The situation in Bangladesh is more ridiculous....
These people will always be slave to somebody, due to lack of self respect (whether USA, Saudi Arab etc...).
#124 Posted by jayp on January 31, 2008 1:08:47 am
Pervez,
What is below is from an opinion piece in dawn of yesterday. Before we talk about the university research, let us fix up the school books.
It is a tragedy that truthful articles that come in dawn etc. ever find their place in chowk. Chowk, increasingly is a pak govt mouth piece as any criticism of pakistan results in being banned from chowk.
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"I can’t take the liberty of advising my Hindu brothers and sisters across the border, but I can certainly expect sane elements in Pakistani society to think seriously about revising school and college textbooks so that they should reflect history somewhat rationally, and without describing Hindus as double-faced crooks and hypocrites who are out to shed Muslim blood.
Let us not forget that it were always the Muslims who invaded India, and that too not for the glory of Islam. Only Mohammad bin Qasim came for a valid reason but he too couldn’t resist conquering territories north of Sindh, perhaps, because in those times conquest was considered a legitimate activity.
There is this thing about calling names. I read a letter in a newspaper the other day about an Indian diplomat in Islamabad paying a social visit to a friendly Muslim family. It said that a small boy of five or six, coming to know that the guests were from India, began to shout “Hindu kutta! Hindu kutta!” Who had taught him that? His elders or a biased book on social studies digested by his senior brothers and sisters? In any case it can hardly be his fault for he was too young to know what he was doing. But his family should have been ashamed of his uncivil behaviour.
What is below is from an opinion piece in dawn of yesterday. Before we talk about the university research, let us fix up the school books.
It is a tragedy that truthful articles that come in dawn etc. ever find their place in chowk. Chowk, increasingly is a pak govt mouth piece as any criticism of pakistan results in being banned from chowk.
////////////////////////////
"I can’t take the liberty of advising my Hindu brothers and sisters across the border, but I can certainly expect sane elements in Pakistani society to think seriously about revising school and college textbooks so that they should reflect history somewhat rationally, and without describing Hindus as double-faced crooks and hypocrites who are out to shed Muslim blood.
Let us not forget that it were always the Muslims who invaded India, and that too not for the glory of Islam. Only Mohammad bin Qasim came for a valid reason but he too couldn’t resist conquering territories north of Sindh, perhaps, because in those times conquest was considered a legitimate activity.
There is this thing about calling names. I read a letter in a newspaper the other day about an Indian diplomat in Islamabad paying a social visit to a friendly Muslim family. It said that a small boy of five or six, coming to know that the guests were from India, began to shout “Hindu kutta! Hindu kutta!” Who had taught him that? His elders or a biased book on social studies digested by his senior brothers and sisters? In any case it can hardly be his fault for he was too young to know what he was doing. But his family should have been ashamed of his uncivil behaviour.
#123 Posted by jayp on January 31, 2008 12:26:11 am
Pervez,
The clear beginning of an education system that has a future is when you can deliver an Abdus Salaam memorial lecture in pakistan. That is when the pak society comprising of the YLH and zeemaz of pakistan have accepted that scientific achievements cannot be derrogated by the religion of the scientist, that is when the pakistanis have accepted that the fountain sprigs of scietific enquiry is not poisoned by the religiosity of the islamic republic of pakistan.
Till then, and that day is unlikely to come in your life time, Pervez please keep trying.
The clear beginning of an education system that has a future is when you can deliver an Abdus Salaam memorial lecture in pakistan. That is when the pak society comprising of the YLH and zeemaz of pakistan have accepted that scientific achievements cannot be derrogated by the religion of the scientist, that is when the pakistanis have accepted that the fountain sprigs of scietific enquiry is not poisoned by the religiosity of the islamic republic of pakistan.
Till then, and that day is unlikely to come in your life time, Pervez please keep trying.
#122 Posted by nkg on January 31, 2008 12:04:41 am
Re: # 121
A+++ version of Mumbai movies...Large number of stupid follwers....
A+++ version of Mumbai movies...Large number of stupid follwers....
#121 Posted by nkg on January 31, 2008 12:03:29 am
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sorry...
some sex as well...
Koran 37:40-48
...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered
eggs of ostriches.
Koran 44:51-55
...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)
Koran 52:17-20
...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris
(virgins) we shall wed them...
Koran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched
before. Then which of the favors of your Lord will you deny ?"
Koran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favors of your Lord
will you deny ?"
Koran 56:7-40
...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving
companions for those on the right hand.. "
Koran 55:70-77
"In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins
sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before...
sorry...
some sex as well...
Koran 37:40-48
...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered
eggs of ostriches.
Koran 44:51-55
...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)
Koran 52:17-20
...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris
(virgins) we shall wed them...
Koran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched
before. Then which of the favors of your Lord will you deny ?"
Koran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favors of your Lord
will you deny ?"
Koran 56:7-40
...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving
companions for those on the right hand.. "
Koran 55:70-77
"In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins
sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before...
#120 Posted by nkg on January 30, 2008 11:53:45 pm
Re: # 119
and forgot to mention...add some lethal hatred, violent stuff like this....
Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. (Koran 22:19-22:23)
and forgot to mention...add some lethal hatred, violent stuff like this....
Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. (Koran 22:19-22:23)
#119 Posted by nkg on January 30, 2008 11:31:54 pm
Re: # 117
Answer is, the biggest and most successful liar on earth committed the earliest work of plagrarism.
Answer is, the biggest and most successful liar on earth committed the earliest work of plagrarism.
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