Pakistan's Universities - Problems and Solutions

We need to produce more Kasuris, who in turn, will give the uneducated more Beaconhouse schools, higher fees, tons of A-scorers, and droves of escape artists. Here, they only have brains that willingly let the best brains drain away. What a country brown-sahib!

Newspapers feed government lies anyway; we shall see.

Peace.

We should not be surprised when a bureaucrat from the World Bank writes good reports about another bureaucratic institution such as the HEC. Then, throw in this mix the bureaucrats of the military government, and this becomes a rangeela naach of the bureaucrats.

Institutions take time to build. You can't build educational institutions overnight just because you envy your neighbor's educational institutions and are prepared to throw money at the problem.

Pakis, of all people, should know that. They've been investing for a long time in their IITs(institutes of islamic terrorism aka madrassahs)...The result is obvious. Just like India's IIT grads are making their mark all over the world, Paki IIT grads i.e. the madrassah graduates are making their mark by being busted for terrorism in American ,spain, england, france, australia and canada.

How can you expect universities to produce quality students if there's problem with the schooling?

And regarding that Univ. By french - Speechless
The whole system is messed up.

Atta Ur Rehman with his cronies is selling this lie as Pakistan army selling jihad to make money. Atta Ur Rehman in early 2001 sent returned ticket and hotel and other expenses to his girl friend in Mountain View California to participate in a science conference in Islamabad. The funny thing is the poor babe does not know English so she takes a helper with her in American grocery stores. And her husband was also invited as an expert to the conference. Not only this some engineers copied satellite imaging and other papers and printed a journal and got promoted. I believe the students should be given practical training to solve the society problem. I would prefer to train a student how to slaughter a chicken hygienically than ask him/her to write a paper that has no relevance to our problems.

It is the 5th columnists like Hoodbhoy who have been paving the way for a privitized schooling system with no or minimal state supervision, as directed by his US and European masters. The idea was that a privitized elementray education system will be produce non-ideological vocational drones who would be non-questioning cogs in the wheel of capatilism. The corrupt foujis and their ideological mentors like hoodbhoy and ataur rehman have totally fukked up the elementary education of this land. I do not think there is any hope of its recovery - unless of course if there is an Ayatullah sadiq khalkhali and his guillotine factory. I think we should say the last rites of education system in pakistan... inna lillahe wa inna ilaihe rajeoon.

Eductaion reform should start at primary/secondary level and then it should reach to higher level. It is better to bring back the expertriate fellow citizens than foreign experts to teach in local universities.
Education reforms takes time. China has started that long back. So, if you are trying to emulate China, then please keep patience. Only if, the nation is thoroughly motivated, then only the miracle can happen (turn around within 10 years). Vietnam is nice example of that.But ground situation in Pakistan is something different.
Regarding Techinical/Management institute, without good Industry you can not build good institues. They are complement to each other.
Regarding IITs ( in India). They are excellent graduate schools. But, as per as post graduate study is concerned, most of the people depend upon US universities. The cream of India carries out higher studies in USA/UK/Australia etc... Bring back those who have completed higher study in USA. USA is nice friend of Pakistan. They will definitely help ( Unlike India in past. I can remember, for Microwave Lab in our college, the professor used to get scared to hand over the equipment to the students (in 1990s). The equipment was very costly. It was imported from USA. Furthermore, this equipment can be used for defence purposes, so, it was very difficult to get permission from US).
Here in my native state ( West Bengal), I see regular revision of syllabus of seciondary and higher secondary curriculum ( Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, English etc...).

#7 Posted by nkg on January 27, 2008 7:02:21 pm


They are excellent graduate schools. But, as per as post graduate study is concerned, most of the people depend upon US universities.


IIT grads don't come to US universities for the education...they come for the job openings in the US after their graduations...most IIT grads sail through post-grad.

Re: # 8
Are you sure? At least upto let 1990s, the Technical Education situation was like that...
For post graduate study and research 1st choice would be MIT or other US technical schools. After completion, people used to join Motorola, Intel, Compaq, IBM , GM ,Microsoft,Oracle,NASA...
If people fail to get admission in US universities (low GRE score or financial assistance problem), people used to study M.Tech in IITs. Most of the IIT M.Techs are from local Engineering Colleges/R E Cs. The IIT grads study M.Tech in IITs are just preparing for their UPSC exams...
As per quality of research and advanced study is concern, IITs were far behind their US counterparts.
IISc ( Banglore) is the only institution in India, which focusses primarily on Research and is almost at par with EU/USA standard.
Whatever Vinod Khosla, Arun Sarin, Vymoesh Joshi etc... completed their Masters in US universities.

Re: # 8 Arjun you admit Indians are not after knowledge but just dirty money ? and like to be servant to white cream colored people ?
Please give straight answers. No crude art of cut paste appreciated. Just yes or no
Thanks

Re: # 6 Aitullah Khakali = he was very radical and called hanging judge of Iran. Many times executions were carried out and then trial ( A titled book describing excess of horrible "revolutons" Zeemax should read Darkness at noon by A.Kostrler, authoer of Yogi and commissor)
There was another mad aytullah rigo or something like that he even hanged and killed "shah's" horse.
Zeemax is just getting too excited to use his "G" machine.

Re: # 10
Dirty money comes from different way ...
Do you know the competetion you need to face to get admitted in Graduate program in IITs? I don't think, it is money alone, that motivate educated people. These US companies provide excellent working environment and opportunity to learn and execute your innovation...
Most of it is job satisfaction...

Re: # 3
Mr. Arjun,

I agree 'institutions take time to build' but the rest of your comments don't belong here.

There are fundamentalist-terrorists in many countries; let's try and control our own sides first.

Please don't parot what has become fashionable all over the globe. These same madrassah simpletons were initially Mujahids, then Taliban, and now condemned to being terrorists. Who sponsored them; certainly not Islam?

Shanti now.

While arjun is right to some extent, quite a few IITians come here with genuine interest in higher education and research. They want to do intellectually challenging work and of course, make money as well. Some people are just interested in getting a M.S. and jumping into the job market, but that is an individual preference....different strokes for different folks...

Re: # 14
If you are interested in money alone, then do a somewhat decent graduation and go to gulf countries...Quality of life may not be good, but amount of money is comparable to USA...
Mr. Ahmed Madani, this is what we consider dirty money....
Working in R & D section of Tech Giants like GE, Boeing, NASA, Microsoft, Apple, Intel, HP, IBM, Google is not dirty money....

Re: # 13
Please don't parot what has become fashionable all over the globe. These same madrassah simpletons were initially Mujahids, then Taliban, and now condemned to being terrorists. Who sponsored them; certainly not Islam?

Ans: Again denying the fact. If Islam is not the reason, then why USA will use Islam to foster terrorism using Islamic institutions (Mosques and Madrassehs)?