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...in AP is all..

SRK & others,

I agree that Congress is AP is all suck-up.

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I forgot it long ago but it came back haunting when I saw the TV debates (MNS saga in Bombay) 2day.

It happened long ago.

Hundreds of AP guys were roughed-up and their hall-tickests (for Railway, Bank exmas) were torn-up by Biharis & the boys were warned not to come back for future exams.

So this roughing-up of ppl is the very sign of our uncivilized intolerance - be it Bihar or Bombay.

VRV 46#
"That's a tragedy that Congress uses ppls money for self-aggrandisement; it's not specific to AP. I hate such misuse of public money and trust."

It is not just about publicity for the projects they have completed, it is more about scoring brownie points with Sonia amma. Spending some money on publicity to make a point with the people is ok and is understandable. Even in US we see politicians hiring the PR managers to advertise their accomplishments. In the last 4 years they have named only one road after late PM PVNR. To score points with Sonia amma, the current AP CM even attributed economic reforms to Rajeev Gandhi completely ignoring the fact that it was PVNR who initiated them. I have seen many sycophant politicians not as shameless as YSR.

Venkat,

Thanx

SRK,

43

That's a tragedy that Congress uses ppls money for self-aggrandisement; it's not specific to AP. I hate such misuse of public money and trust.

Even BJP did it for the Golden Quadranagle road network. They exclusively spent more than 50 crores to put up Vajpayee hoardigs all along the roads. Every party misused public trust & Congress obviously takes the big cake.

Hari,

I think u can hate those gneissic rocks but that's exteremly unique to the region of Hyderabad. Unfortunately, there's a mindless, un-aesthtic treatment of such natural endowment.

Ref VRV #40

[it's gneissic rocks...]

Are you sure? I thought it was a kind of schist.. specifically, Horst schist.

Re: # 32
I am not sure about animosity between the people of Andhra and Telnagana. I am from Andhra region and i have lot of friends from Telangana and i have never seen any kind of animosity. If the politicians like KCR are given much time and space in media, it will sure start raising up. He is a big time demagogue who raked up Telangana issue only after he was denied ministry by Naidu.

"Where the heck is the self-respect of Goltis? Instead of naming the new international airport at Hyderabad after Potti Sriramulu who fasted unto death demanding a separate Telugu-speaking state (yes, it took a Gandhian fast unto death before that idiot from UP Jwahirullah Nehru would concede the demand), the Congresswallahs of Goltland have declared that the airport would be named for Rajiv G@ndu

Even though i am a golt i cannot defend the golts from your charge. We are guilty as charged. It is not just one airport they named after Rajeev gandhi in the last 4 years. Perhaps you have not read about approximately 300 AP government schemes, buildings, stadiums etc named after Rajeev and Indira by this wretched congress government. Knowing the treatment that the current AP govt gave to late PM PVNR (a golt) and knowing how the current Andhra congress politicians celebrate Priyanka, Rahul, Sonia Gandhi's birthdays i can just hang my head in shame.

Brahmins hatred towards Telugus didn't start from Periyar's period, rather it started during Thirumalai Naicker's lifetime.

Brahmins didn't like the fact that he started respecting Christianity. They are believed to have killed Thirumalai Naicker by leading him into a underground passage and closing it from behind.

Re: # 29

VRV,

I have no faith in the concept of nation state or patriotism. I do not intend to be clanish or parochial.

Tags like Tamilian, Telugu don't evoke any special emotions in me. I am more proficient in Tamil than Telugu.

When people like Harimau indulge in wrongful and malice propoganda, I think facts needed to be placed on the sabhai.
I have no hatred towards Brahmins. I have lots of positive things to talk about them.

it's gneissic rocks...

You told us that u r a bong and u have a golti partner. ;)

Thanks buddy, gtg 4 work. CU later.

Rgds.

Irony,

It's a natural lake.... as as old the geinssic rocks of Hydrabad.

Re: # 36 ha ha ha ha ha !

seriously What do you mean by partner? just curious....?
Did you know NTR had to build specially reinforced roads to ge the statue to Hyd. The rock is from Nagarjuna Konda area. Also the damn thing almost sank in to the dirt in Hussain Sagar!

BTW do you know how old Hussain sagar is?

Irony,

I think ur partner is writing 4 u. OK. I got ur witty points. :) I know of a blind muni/sage. I must read further b4 I make comments on it.

The replica of Nagarjuna Konda is erected on Hussain Sagar and a huge Budhdha statue was also erected in the middle of Hussain Sagar. I agree Buddhism was the state religion in many kingdoms of Indian subcontinent.

What Venkat wrote needs futher research/reading for me to believe. (I agree with the tonsuring point).

Re: # 30 the problem is slightly different...there is no general animosity. If you look at the linguistic history, the telugu spoken in telangana is supposed to be the closest to the original telugu of the land. Well curently it is mixed with urdu....still ...

but what is at play here ...is the something more than just linguistic or regional chauvinism. to realise this you need to wander around telangana to see the unsaid or unsayable picture.

However, the key is the jobs scenario. The circar districts had more educational institutions meant for all then the old nizam districts where these institutions were resereved for the bastard sons and daughters of the nizams - like OU, Nizam's college, etc. As a result the telugus in telangana were not able to take up the jobs which required education and hence more remunerative. This can become a self-fulfilling prophecy, and takes some time to rectify. This is a major issue - and understable. That is why if you look around in the state, and in the surrounding states - you will find a prevalenceof naxalitism - Chattisgarh, Khammam, Warangal, Nalagonda ---steretching into orrissa (koraput, ganjam etc). If you look at the NREGS, the major problems are in the areas of Chattisgarh and Orrisa. AP has donet he right thing is the most efficient states - and in fact as a result of this naxal activity has reduced (a little perhaps). Most of the guys claiming to be naxalites are gangstersand hoodlums calling themselves this.

Re: # 29 meeku telusa satavanhanullu bharat desam paripalimcherru. Nagarjuna Konda eppudainna chusera....aa dam kaatte mundu?

Re: # 29aayya VRV andhrullu andhakullu ninchi aucherru antaaru. andhakullu= blind people! But are the sonsof a mahmuni.

Meeru maata ardhamcheskoleddu....kasta daya cheesi meeru History of the Andhra's (eedi anglalammu loni undi mariyu telugu loni gooda undi) chadavandi.

tilanga(s) is a bastradised form of trilinga(s). Meekku ee moodi lingallu gurinchi telusa!

Aayya Potti sriramullu gurinchi meeru maatlaada kalaru, kaani meeru kasta mee pradeshamum charitra gurinchi guuda telusukovaali. Aadi mee dharmammu, maariyu mee charitra.

Majumdarda,

1.Is there hatred and animosity between people of Telengana and people of coastal Andhra?

Yes, unfortunately. There's a clear case of discrimination against Telangana for the last 50 yrs. It may be due to the smartness of Andhra technocrats and politicians. Telangaites are straightforward ppl; previously innocent types but not now.

2. Would it be a peaceful separation or a acrimonious one?

Cud be both. All depends on Soniamma (tongue out icon).

3. Would a separate state lead to enmity between the people of the two state?

We may fight like what TN-Karnataka are doing now. There'd be water issues. The enmity cud prolly be perpetuated.

We Indians are pesky ppl. (sigh)

Arjun,

That's a good point.

#11 Posted by Sanatani on February 7, 2008 12:13:48 pm


North Indians are creating havoc in Mumbai esp Muslais from UP and Hindus from Bihar. There is no denying this fact.


Bull shit...That fascist rat raj thackrey is just trying to out-fascist his uncle...all to cling on to relevance..

bombay tyachya bapachi nahi ahe...I know these madrchods very well..they tried to use their influence to get one of their kids into a catholic run school and when they were unsuccessful, they tried to make a big "christians against marathi manoos" thing about it...that fell completely flat on their faces because most of the kids going to the catholic school are not catholic..they're hindoooos...a lot of them ghati..



Raj is a chicken suffering from bird flu: Bal Thackeray

Shiv Sena supremo Bal Thackeray has described the tirade against North Indians unleashed by the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena, the outfit floated by his estranged nephew Raj Thackeray, as a means to build his political career.

The octogenarian leader said he agreed with Union Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar [Images] that these tactics to gain free publicity should be ignored. Without naming Raj, Thackeray said 'chicken in state politics are suffering from bird flu of depression', and hence they have no value.

Thackeray asserted that the Shiv Sena was the only voice of the Marathi speaking people. In the last 40 years, the relationship between the party and Maharashtrians was not that of a political alliance, but of a family, he claimed. Electoral successes of the party had proved that only Maharashtrians had the first right over its state capital, declared Thackeray.

''It is laughable that some people, who have quit this family, should speak of the welfare of Maharashtrians,'' Thackeray noted.

VRV sahib,

Regarding the Telengana issue.

1.Is there hatred and animosity between people of Telengana and people of coastal Andhra?
2. Would it be a peaceful separation or a acrimonious one?
3. Would a separate state lead to enmity between the people of the two state.

If the answer to the above 3 questions is No (which is the case IMHO), it should not be something to be worried about.

Would like your opinion on this.

Regards

Venkat,

I know how this word originated and I encounter this term very often. I take it easy...I'm not living in AP since 1995 and I dont have much attachment with that state....I am more or a free-spirit, internationl-type kid.

Irony,

That's from ur partner, I know.

The guy Potti fasted unto death and Nehru gave us our Pakistan after he died. His death sparked riots and we got our land.....free from Hari's Akhand Madras (which includes Mysore, Circar dists of Andhra).

We are not andhakas.

We fought for Kauravas in Mahabharata. Ppl from Telangana fought as mercenaries in 1857 (referred to as Tilangas in official records). Satavahanas who ruled Indian subcontinent after Mauryas are Telugus.

Now we are in fatricidal war (Andhra Vs Telengana). It bothers if ppl hate each other on this US vs THEM paradigm. It destroys India. I voiced the same concern when Marathis attacked NIs.

Re: # 26 telugu nadu (Andhra Pradesh) = trilinga desam, nation of andhakas (meeru kaasta andhakallu evvaroo daya chesi choodandi

Re: # 18 ayyaa sanatani gaaru, ee Potti Srimalu(sic) evaaroo? kaasta meeru daya chessi maa aanddarriki eenna gurinchi kasta rendu maatllu chepandi

BTW if Harimau thinks that Golti is offending us...Then a big NO.

I believe you would want to know why?
Harimau's grand parents didnt have enough balls to address Telugus.

Te-lu-gu. True to their nature, they tried to use a word that normal people would not catch easily. They just reversed the phonics and pronounced it.

Golts were the people who told Harimau's grandpa that it is ok to hymn in Tamil, which the rest of the populace, in Tamilnadu, could understand. If they had not been checked they would still be mumbo-jumboing.

VRV,

"Nobody questions how a union btw man and man creates a child?"

They knew about cloning long time ago ;). Thats the trademark explanation on the myths propogated.....

"I'll read it later but I know that Lord Ayyapa is the grand imigination of some clergy who wanted to make peace btw Saivas and Vaishnavas. "

Its a subterfuge to distract from the fact that Sabarimalai was a Buddhist shrine. Its their way of sharing bread crumbs.

Venkat,

I'll read it later but I know that Lord Ayyapa is the grand imigination of some clergy who wanted to make peace btw Saivas and Vaishnavas.

Nobody questions how a union btw man and man creates a child?

Sanatani,

U lost a lot of land to Pakistanis and Harimau lost a lot of land to Kanandigas and Goltis. So both of u gang up. I can understand. Keep sulking.......

VRV,

Did you get time to look at the Sabarimalai Saasthaa news?

Interesting article Venkat.

I just came across this ver interesting article. This was incidental to Kerala Govt's claim that Sabarimala could have been a Buddhist shrine.

TIRUPATI BALAJI WAS A BUDDHIST SHRINE
By Dr. K. Jamanadas 10/02/2003 At 08:16


The book by K. Jamanadas "Tirupati Balaji was a Buddhist Shrine" has potential credibility to create controversies unknown to historical writing and the Hindu common folks who flock to worship Tirupati Balaji as one of the supreme deities. It is also a new challenge to indologist at a time when politically imbued scholars are engaged to wash out their hands by proving and disproving claims of Hindus and the Muslims against each other as they did over the issue of Ayodhya Shrines. The writing of K. Jamanadas, but stand to the test of researchers and it surpasses all controversial writings relating to Hindu Muslim difference.



K. Jamanadas proves Tirupati Temple as a Buddhist Shrine
The book by K. Jamanadas "Tirupati Balaji was a Buddhist Shrine" has potential credibility to create controversies unknown to historical writing and the Hindu common folks who flock to worship Tirupati Balaji as one of the supreme deities. It is also a new challenge to indologist at a time when politically imbued scholars are engaged to wash out their hands by proving and disproving claims of Hindus and the Muslims against each other as they did over the issue of Ayodhya Shrines. The writing of K. Jamanadas, but stand to the test of researchers and it surpasses all controversial writings relating to Hindu Muslim difference.
Of course, a reader while going through this book requires to be equipped with relative knowledge of the Vedic forms and symbols of worship and the creation of monk hood, prayers and practice of Buddhist way of religious life. The author does not show at any place, his intention to religiously injure anybody and his presentation is purely of academic nature. Neither he intends to dethrone Tirupati Balaji from his present glory nor his popularity. He also does not make any comment on his devotees and his paraphernalia, he has with him. His research is to find out the truth hidden in the origin, growth and glory and his relation with the common man.

An eminent surgeon turned to be an indologist, K. Jamanadas stands for operational methods in the historical research. His study of Tirupati Balaji is the best in the science of architecture, theology and history. It seems from his book that all the essentially necessary and available sources and historical writings related to Balaji are carefully taken into consideration. Of course, one can not confidently say that a new evidence may not come up hereafter.

Religious life and socio-cultural interactions, so also their amalgamations on philosophical lines as well as in day today life among the people of this ancient land have created numerous problems for separating and identifying a particular set of features in a religious life either of the Buddhist or the Hindus except broad features and major differences. The land is the same and the people are also the same, naturally customs and traditions that they have carried on for ages together can not go far away from each other than they were in their previous religious life. There can not be a total change in the manners and etiquettes by changing and earlier religion. The walks of people in the earlier native religion, then to the Vedic which is named by the foreigners as Hinduism and then to Non-Vedic religions i. e. Buddhism and Jainism are through which this land is traveled and people have common following and practices even contradictory customs and philosophies they have through such livings of them although they learnt many things and have come across many images, idols and symbols of worships. The institution of the Viharas in Buddhist period is the first one of its kind as an institution of Temple which attracted the masses to keep its existence either in the manner the Buddhist have or the manner the Brahmins changed to their convenience to influence the masses.

Originally Brahmins and their religion are centered around the system of the institution of Yajna. The Yajynas of various types such as Isthi, Pashu, Som, Chayan, Sava, Satra and others, for their selfish motives of seeking food, prestige and power. The very institution of Yadyna is to make commoners by way of traits, traps and tricks for sacrifices, the Brahmins are to loose nothing but in all the circumstances gain and gain much more beyond their demands and needs. This is how the institution of Yadyna works.

Nowhere it is found and no text of the Brahmin literature tells that in pre-Buddhist time the Brahmins are vegetarians. The offerings and oblations offered to gods and goddesses so also, the sacrifices made in the Yadynas are basically originated in the minds and tastes of the Brahmins. As being the non - vegetarians or the flesh eaters Brahmins ask the masses to offer such things to gods and to them also. History, therefore of the vegetarian gods in Hinduism opens a new avenue for fresh research in Indology. In pre-Buddhist times cow was never a pious animal and Brahmins of those days are found very fond of cow flesh. Rigvedas are genuine witnesses for that, and the river Charmnyavati is the best example. There is enough of information to know as to how both of her banks are covered over by skins and her waters are redden by the flesh blood of cows and other animals washed into her waters. The very name of the river Charmnyavati in a Rigveda tells many more things as Charm - means skin. The river banks of this river are used for performing Yadynas and the cows are used in sacrifices on large scale in the Yadynas. The whole delta of the river seems to have seen as how Cow Satra - Killing of cows is carried on and the name, therefore, of the river Charmnyavati in a Rigveda confirms the same.

The institution of Yadyna and sacrificing or killing cows in it is very much vital if it is understood against the agricultural background of those times. In those days no other animals but bullocks are used mostly for tilling the soil. Killing of the cows means no bullocks and no bullocks means no farming, no agricultural products. As a result there is starvation and then submission to enemies or the rulers of the religion. The pre-Buddhist times, therefore, are worse in a regard to atrocities and injustices carried on, on the Peasant communities. Fortunately but lord Buddha understands the grave situation and stops cow sacrifices in the Yadynas and prevents the slaughtering of cows. He, thus becomes the First saviour of cows who preached farmers in ancient times not to offer cows to Brahmins and in the Yadynas. Under the circumstances it is very safe to hold a view that the adoption of cow as a pious one in later days and vegetarian food for gods and to the Brahmins for themselves is one of the greatest achievements of Buddhism, but it has to pay its cost in return of that achievement because the Brahmins adopted their means and methods to attract and lure the farming communities and attack Buddhism. It is thus the Hindus and the academicians have to admit that the creation of non - vegetarian gods is not the creation of the Brahmins. Therefore, it is in vain to trace out the origin of gods who are vegetarians in pre-Buddhist times. Morality and non-violence are never the cardinal principles of Brahmanical teaching and religion. They are the Buddhist and they are most unacceptable for the Brahmins in those early days.

The institution of Temple that the Brahmins practice and which exists at 'Tirupati Balaji' and at all the places of the Hindus is origin in Buddhism as K. Jamanadas rightly states that there are a good number of evidences to prove those facts. The walks of people in the ancient times from one sect or religion to another, from native religion to Vedic, Vedic to Non-Vedic religions that is Buddhism and Jainism and then back to Mixed- Vedic or Brahmanical religion, although, outwardly, have changed them in adopting different religious names and ultimately, the Brahmanism to which popularly called as Hinduism, they continued to practice many of the customs and traditions they liked most and were most difficult for them to unalienate. And to their convenience Brahmins have very skillfully converted Buddhists forms of worship and prayers quite in consonance to Brahmanical or Hindu ideals. Therefore, separation and identification of many images, idols and temples have become to show exactly that they either belong to Buddhists or Hindus but as Buddhism is made to disappear, Brahmins claimed them, in totality as the Hindus. And the history of Hindu vegetarian gods is certainly hidden in such changes and conversions from Buddhism to Hinduism.

The book is divided into four parts, but the main theme is dealt with in the second and third parts. Part first naturally begins with earlier findings and interpretations about the strife between Buddhism and Brahmanism. The mature saintly opinion of Swami Vivekananda that " Buddhism was mainly responsible for stopping or lessening the customs of drinking wine and killing living animals for sacrifice or for food in India" during the dominance and arrogance of the Brahmanical period is given at very appropriate instance. "Buddhism and Vaishnavism are not two different things" as is stated by the Great Swami to make clear that, "During the decline of Buddhism in India, Hinduism tool from her a few cardinal tenets of conduct and made them her own, and these have now come to be known as Vaishnavism". The author, not out of vindictive mood, but purely from academic interest collected sources and evidences, that too again from the Hindu saints and scholars to reveal the truth and truth alone as the proud heritage of this ancient land.

Brahmin's usurpation and imitation of the Buddhist customs, traditions and ideals, so also of forms of architecture , art and sculpture are very common and long back indologists and historians like R. G. Bhandarkar and D. D. Kosambi have brought all those thing to light. The sites at Ter, Aihole, Undavali, Ellora, Badrinatha, Ayodhya, Sringeri, Buddha Gaya and other religious important places have ably been shown as how richly influenced by Buddhist religion and culture and Brahmins have adopted them to their tastes to make the masses feel religiously at home as the Hindus. A fresh touch is given to reascertain for the proved facts by R. G. Bhandarkar, R. C. Dhere and others that the temples of Lord Jagannatha of Puri, Vithalla of Pandharpur, Ayyappa of Kerala, Srisailam of Andhra and many others as they were originally the Buddhist temples.

The real task of discovering Lord Tirupati as the Buddhist Shrine starts in the Second part. The history given of the worship of Vishnu needs to be added by the information of hymns in Rigveda. Max Mueller, Muir and Wilson who have well explained the importance of Vishnu and his Three Strides - Trivikrama. In the Purnsha - Sukta of the Yajurvda (1-31-32) has his description. And to collaborate the original concept of his creation and creating his three different images and the necessities of the Brahmins to convert him in appearance like lord Buddha are not unintentional and without any selfish motive. The author has ably proved that such efforts of the Brahmins have expected good results for them to show their superiority over Buddhism. The chapters- Hindu Shilpa Shastra on Vishnu Images, Nature Image of the Lord of Tirumalai, Is the Image of a Female deity, Is the Lord A Harihara Murthi, and the Account In Venkatechala Itihas Mala, are interesting and thought provoking. They make even commoners to think twice whether he is worshiping Buddhist images or Hindu images and what is his place in such a controversies The reference from a book of Shri. Sitapati P., on Shri. Venkatesvara is of great importance in support of author's theory on Tirupati Balaji. The reference runs -"The image (of Lord Tirumalai) bears some resemblance to the famous Bodhisattva Padmapani painting in cave I of the Ajanta Hills". This statement, is thus, self explanatory to record the attempts.

Part third of the book has debased old challenges of the Hindu claims in South India. How "not only ideals and morals but also temples were taken over by Brahmins" has been aptly shown quoting well known authorities in the field and interpreting the original sources. It is very interesting to know the even Tirtha Yatras are started by the Buddhists and the Brahmins followed them from the Buddhist traditions to forget their earlier Buddhist religion and traditions. The Kalavars and Kalabhras, the names of clans and families quite in resemblance to Kalewar, Kalawad or Kalawade and Kalbhor, Bhor, Kalmegh and even Kale in Maharashtra are not without their historical roots. The Kalabhras mentioned by the author belonged to Chola country and are the Buddhist, but later on converted to Brahmanism.

The claim put forth by the author on Lord Tirupati Balaji as a Buddhist Shrine is based on sound theory and the evidences approved and accepted by the academicians. The fundamental questions which needs to be correctly answered to prove Tirupati Balaji as a Buddhist Shrine have the following points and which are well taken into account--

1. Yet why the attributes of Murthi are not allowed to be discussed openly and publicly?

2. Tirupati has no parivar devatas, his family members as gods. why?

3. And as to why it is the only ek-devata temple in whole of India.?

4. There was no regular worship of this Tirupati till 966 A. D, Why was it?

5.Why the various murthis are not recognized in this temple by their Agamic names?

The term "self manifested" applied to Tirumalai means that the Murthi or idol is existed earlier and it is at that place only. It is found by one Shudra Rangadasa. Then it is resurrected and worshiping it began. Before the Muslims came, Buddhists are the only people who opposed the Brahmins. But no Buddhist King nor Buddhist people are intolerant towards the Brahmins and no evidence is yet produced by any scholar proving that the Buddhists or any Buddhist King made efforts for destroying Brahmanical images, idols or places of worship. In fact the Brahmins have done hundreds of such things and they are in reality the enemies of the Buddhists. Hence allowing the Murthi or idol of Tirumalai uncared, then the quarrel over its possession in between the Vaishnavism and Shaivism, all such matter never happens in case of the original idols of Hindu or Brahmanical gods. Fortunately till this day this Lord is mistaken and misunderstood as Siva or Vishnu and as the Vaishnavaites and Shavaites claim him as if he belongs to one of the two, he grows in eminence. In reality the place and the idol are the Buddhist one, which eternally convey the message of well being to all people.

Temple institution is the creation of the Buddhist people and to grab that glory the Brahmins have usurped the Buddhists Temples for their selfish purpose and to attract the masses and then have converted those temples into Hindu forms making necessary changes and alterations. A good number of authorities have proved long ago and many of the authorities on the subject like R. G. Bhandarkar, Percy Brown, G. S. Ghurey, L. M. Joshi, D. D. Kosambi, K. A. N. Sastri, K. R. Vaidyanthan and others have been taken into consideration in the spirit and letters they presented numerous sources and evidences.

So far the story of Lord of Tirumalai stands historically and on the basis of the available sources it is a Buddhist Shrine. Right from its name, fashions and styles, so also customs like the Tonsure, offering of hair and Rathyatra it is all in one - the Buddhist way. Rathayatra is not originated in the Brahmanical life due to caste system and observance of untouchability and touch no one those who even from your kin and kith if they are unbathed and the women of their blood also. Under the circumstances Rathayatra tradition is certainly of the Buddhist origin and where ever it is carried on, the places and gods are the Buddhists, without any doubt. The author K. Jamanadas has maintained throughout his work a very high standard of argument and at all instances he placed either the authorities or the evidence in support of his argument and statements.

Although in the socio-cultural life of this country, it introverts all of those who have their origin in this land, to positively come up for better understanding as if it is vicissitude as the times and culture demand. A good lesson will also be derived out of the reading of this thesis for making this land as if of one people with an appeal to both the Hindus and the Muslims to know their best of heritage and noble humane way of life in Buddhism as one people, blessed and guided eternally by that Great, Supreme Lord, Bhagwan Buddha, the Great.

Re: # 15

Yeh saaley Bihari Samajwadi Janta. Oops Samajwadi Janta wale are in UP. Problem is not with the avg Bihari but with the student wings of Biharis and Purabiyas.

Also if Muslais can take part inthings like Ganesh Chaturthi why cant Biharis.

Sanatani

You hyad Punjab, Haryana and Himachal. Now J'khand, C'garh and Uttaranchal apart from uttaranchal and now Arunachal nobody celebrates Sthapna Divas. Also Goa celebrates Police Action but AP does not. Sops to Muslais.

Sanatani

Re: # 16

Very true. No fking Goolt of the younger generation even knows who Potti Srimalu is.

Goolts are very good at spreading hatred against Brahmins in TN.

Madarzaats.

Sanatani

Hari,

I admit that goltis are the useless ppl. No contest.

Ref Sanatani #11

[Also I have heard only of 3 states celebrating their stahpna divas with Gutso Karnatak, Andhra and Gujarat. Pls ask the average Bihari or UPite when did he last celebrate UP divas in UP or Bihar Divas in Bihar.]

That is because those were the only states to be separated from the erstwhile British-Indian Presidencies and Provinces to form new states in the early days of independent India. UP (United Province), CP (Central Province), Bihar, Punjab, Assam and Orissa already existed along with the Presidencies of Madras, Bombay and Bengal.

Andhra Pradesh was formed by separating the Telugu-speaking areas of Madras Presidency and joining it with Nizam's Hyderabad state. Same thing for Karnataka whch was formed with Kannada-speaking areas of Bombay and Madras being nerged with the kingdom of Mysore. Gujarat had to wait till 1960 to be carved out of Greater Maharashtra though Andhra, Kerala and Karnataka were formed in 1956.

But don't blame just the UP and Bihari bhaiyyas. Where the heck is the self-respect of Goltis? Instead of naming the new international airport at Hyderabad after Potti Sriramulu who fasted unto death demanding a separate Telugu-speaking state (yes, it took a Gandhian fast unto death before that idiot from UP Jwahirullah Nehru would concede the demand), the Congresswallahs of Goltland have declared that the airport would be named for Rajiv G@ndu.

I agree with Sanatani. Yeh saaley Bihari Samajwadi Janta walley have been trying to be aggresive in Mumbai for some time. Bihar itself is screwed by Biharis and they are going to other states to spread their idiotic caste based policies.

Jang Bahadur,

Then Mr. Sanatani's point is valid.

VRV i think santana is talking about Azmi and Mulayamsingh making trouble.

Sanatani Mahoday,

How can they play both cards (i.e.regional chauvunism and Indian patriotism at the same time)?

I disagree that north Indians are creating havoc in Bombay. They are economic migrants who want to work hard and make a living. Anybody working for a living is contributing to the economy of Maharastra (if u r aware of indirect taxes u'd understand what I am saying). They create demand for goods and services in Maharastra. Is that creating havoc there?
Btw, they dont beg there. They work hard.

If u go to any industrial estate in Gujarat u'll find none but UP+Biharis working in those factories. There's no such havoc in Gujarat but they had in Bombay? Take Calcutta. I hardly came across a Bengali-speaking cabbie in Calcutta. They are all Biharis. There's no havoc there! All the mosambi juice vendors in Hyd are Biharis. Nobody complains!

We have to accept that India is not Punjab, Rajahstan and Dehli. India also includes Manipur, Mizorm and other NE states. Calling them Chinks is very insulting, 2 say the least.

Re: # 9

VRV ji,

Where MNS erred was abusing Chath Puja and attacks on North Indians and stopping Bhojpuri films, thetare, music etc.

BUT the fundamental issue does not change.

North Indians are creating havoc in Mumbai esp Muslais from UP and Hindus from Bihar. There is no denying this fact. Also understand one fact if you are outsiders (and this happens all over India) do not mess with the locals on issues like getting together as toughs and terrorising those locals, because when the reverse happens it is very very dangerous, violent and because of that heart rending.

It has happened amongst the student community to Chinks in Delhi, Muslims in Bangalore and Sikhs in Bidar. It may happen to Biharis and UPites in Mumbai if they do not behave and remember karte kuch hai bharte sab hain.

Please see films made 20 yrs ago do you remember any body callen Naik, Sawant or Deshpande in a movie that time. Too long have the Marathas tolerated NI and Muslai non sense in Mumbai. The Muslais got a taste of what the sons of the Chatrapati can do when aroused (remeber Marathas are incredibly placid and calm normally, think of this as meekness at your own peril) to a fury. If the NI's wish to experience the same then the best of Bhartiya luck to them, though I would not count on it.

Also I have heard only of 3 states celebrating their stahpna divas with Gutso Karnatak, Andhra and Gujarat. Pls ask the average Bihari or UPite when did he last celebrate UP divas in UP or Bihar Divas in Bihar.

Sanatani

Afsand Mahoday,

India Chalo is yet another example of extremely high Indian patriotism. Very true Indians are a strange breed of extremely high patriotism one end end and completely none at another (They cannot vote in a Lok Sabha election on national issues unless something emotive like Indira raandee's assasanation when they actually started believing what they were sniffing or injecting namely the foreign hand. Indians are the only people with a consistent vote who caanot diffrentiate between a national and panchayat election. Even banglas and neps are better)

When Indians talk about India, they forget or somehow overlook ground realities. They actually do not. The ground realities are too painful to contemplate so they have again started believing what they they are sniffing or injecting. To quote Masadi these type are truly peons of the west and they are delirous with joy when they se good press a la Darlymple or Friedman.

A great nation needs to have several qualities, one of which is establishing Justice. I do not see Justice in India, Yes the courts are independent (unlike Pakland). Independent courts do not help with out a proper investigation or prosection mechanism even if we accept your comment as true.

but is there Justice? The plain and simple answer is a big fat NO (very much like Pakland). There is justice but you get it when you do not expect it. The conviction of a large number of Hindus in decades old riot cases where the victims were muslais, but truly I am yet to see the reverse.

Harry potter is poor quality fiction read John Grisham and you may like to migrate to US and spend time eating shrimp gumbo in Biloxi.

Sanatani

Asfand,

U r damn right.

This week we had this jerk called Raj Thakre whose goons attacked some hard-working migrants for no reason but the police of that state is feting him with extra security for his life.

It's like the aggressors are getting secutity but not the aggrieved. There's no respect for law and order in India.
Central govt washes off its hands by saying that law and order is a state subject.

No matter what we achieve economiclly would remain lipstick on our piggy lips.

Greetings Nadeem

I have not read the India Chalo nor have the intention of ever reading India Chalo, however I can say this without any hesitation:

India Chalo is yet another example of extremely high Indian patriotism. When Indians talk about India, they forget or somehow overlook ground realities. A great nation needs to have several qualities, one of which is establishing Justice. I do not see Justice in India, Yes the courts are independent (unlike Pakland) but is there Justice? The plain and simple answer is a big fat NO (very much like Pakland).

So India Chalo might be a good fictional novel but this is the extent of it. The true sign of India becoming great is when all Indians in USA and Canada start to go back to India for better future.

Till Then, I would rather watch Harry Potter for fiction than reading India Chalo.

Asfand Siddiqui

India is a classic case of very inefficient governance and some very efficient business corporations; so if I were to invest in a country, I would choose China but if I were to invest in individual companies, I would pick Indian companies.

Naddeem:

What I meant to say was, "..few hundred MILLION unfortunate souls.." and not hundred.....

You see Many Indians usually mostly prone to boasting and forget that there are serious problems related to good governance, rule of law , communal harmony or say hygiene in public space, and makeing good water and health care available to hundreds of millions. Then they play with these stupid number game. Pretty disgusting. Agree with me.

Kamath

The clarion call of 1857 i.e 'Dehli Chalo' is rehashed as India Chalo...well, India is far from being called a hot destination on par with China.

India as many said b4 is a whale or elaphant i.e big beast who takes its own sweet time to go its destination.

Is this a novel?????????????

I think the author is a finance/economics/investment guy, and out of customary ignorance about literature viz very usual among finance/economics/investment guys, he is calling it novel.........

is this the new slogan...a new variation of dilli chalo

Dear Kamath,

I agree. i spoke about this to the author. His opinions are that it would be wise to look at the positives of the economy now as being a democracy we wil have our share of issues, which even a developed nation like US has. But at the end of the day a GDP growth of around 9% is a beautiful indicator of where we are heading

Nadeem:

India Chalo!! Not so fast, Not so fast- my friend! India has also to carry the economic and cultural baggage of few hundred unfortunate souls hanging on to its body too. So it will slow down. So seperate myth from reality.

Kamath