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Re: # 346 They always understood and its making wasnot by these Mullahs itwasby educatedsoulsliekIqbal, Jinnah and others , but they were notcalled secualrsand they arenot but yes they were alsonot called Muslimsby Mullahs!

Mullahs are forceof status quo,not of change and perhapsof retrogression in some cases.But MMA did one good thing in NWFP that after death of a person the land share willautomatically transfer to daughters/women instad of forcible delivery to her brothers and male relatives as perthe cases.But it is very rarethat gooddeedslike this weredone.

#342 notice the composition of processions in pakistan:

when it is bs issues (cartoons, rushdie, some slight of islam by someone in the west) it is the mullahs in the lead.

when it is some issue of substance (as in the current struggle against dictatorship) it is those normally derided by mullahs as "secular" (lawyers being among them, plus human rights activists who are a favorite mullah target) who provide the lead.

Thank God the Pakistani awam has shown they understand the difference between bs and substance.

Re: # 343 Agreed on first part, but dear Globalization is exacerbating teh differnces and accentuating the ghetto thinking ,it is a threat to peace adn good only for global giants of rich and powerful.

It is against the human freedoms and ideals and localculturaldiversity,it is a power wiothout any direction.

Re: # 341 Agreed there stress is on rituals and they have taken position of papacy in Islamwhich has noplace here!

#340 what you say is true - but tell that to the hundreds of millions of fools who elevate the prophet and his descendants and acquiantances to the level of gods. fortunately, i think the problem will solve itself as a result of globalisation and the spread of rational thinking (this will sound like an optimist talking - but i think it is quite realistic).

Re: # 339 If he did it washis personal issuebut other I think is proven by the carefulstudy ofthis issue in Pakistan and if you remember there was a huge procession which reached uptoAmerican Embassy and BB government ordered firing and more than two peoplewerekilled and scores injured , but the damage had been done before thsi Salman's bopok wasknown to only a smallaudience afterthis he got a status of celeberity in West and of a Satan in MUslim wolrd. things have very strange bases!

#338 agreed. that is why maulvis are part of the problem, not part of the solution. since they ignore poverty and lack of education while pushing their agenda - rituals. rituals are merely another form of superstition that detract from constructive aspects of religion.

Re: # 337Thereis noplace forgroupsadn church like organizations in Islam. After Holy Prophet peace be upon him there is only one institution to be protected that is of family and allother things comeafetrwards.. but here things are different.

#336 if you tell me kausar niazi was the source of the rushdie fuss, then i believe you. i see know reason for you to make it up. btw, i once heard niazi doing the love talk loudly to a female in UK over the phone from the US. no kidding.

Re: # 335 I think the greatest issues of Muslimsare poverty and ignorance...and now a days another scourgeextremism..May Allah save us from all these!

to add to #335: and people dont need organized religion like the christian church or the various lashkars and religious groups in islam. rogues and thugs (aka priests) do as a way to avoid making living by providing some real value to society.

Re: # 334 My research proves thsi ,ifthere is different perspective ,then let me know!

#333 muslims are more important than islam (God does not need religion, people do). just as pakistanis are more important than pakistan.

Once we get this right, all this whining about some stupid cartoons will give way to what is really important - jobs and education for muslims. As the pakistani awam have also demonstrated through elections.

#332 mahfari: i did not realize that maulana kausar niazi started the fuss over the rushdie book (which ironically made rushdie a rich man due to vastly increased sales on what is actually a stupid and boring book).

as for kausar niazi, it is not for nothing that he was known as "maulana whiskey" - thus shooting down hamidm's theory that a whiskey lover cant be a mullah at the same time.

Re: # 329 Perhaps you are not awareof this issue of complexity and multidimensioanl approach about Holy Prophet peace be upon him.it is not a HAdd and it si Tazier ,that Judge shoulddecideasper the situation and in West there is deleberate attempt to invoke negative feelings and passions about Holy Prophet peace eb upon him and to taunt Muslims ...I think it is excess from both sides in many matters.

But the societies haev right to decideabout theriown goods and bads and no one can decide from outside to determine that howshould localsocietioes develop and live... it is theei own choice.

Why anti-Semitism is a legal offence in West and Europe? If it can be applied on the bases of histroy m,then why other societies can not make theri own laws as to their own identity? In your words why this cherry picking? Is alldiscrimination for mUslims only? is,nt it racism? Is,nt it injustice? have courage and answer these questions aND also think over the answersto your questions and feelfree to ask more !

Re: # 329 You have certain very very deep inferiority complextversus the society where you live ,I mean in an alien culture and what is the purpose in celeberating the New YEar?ForChristians it is a pagan festivaladjusted with Christmas,and in China they ahev theier own NEw Year forMuslismthe most celeberated and happy events are Eids... Do you rememeber them or lost theri memories also?

As to question of Salamn Rushdie is concerned facst are different and perhapsmind boggling also,this issue was stirred by late Kauser Niazi in 1988-89 when PPP came to power afetr death of Zia and Benazir Bhutto many stalwarts of PPP out of power,Kauser Niazi hoped to grab some post in BB regime but tono avail,then he wrote an articlein daily Jang and he first time raised the isseu of Salman Rushdie and he quoted and translated some portions in the article and it was picked upby Mullahs fro personal agendas and also by Iranian clergy and then it was buzz word in Islamic world and further many persons came forward to offer moneyt for this Salman Rushdie .

It was motivated with personal agenda and personal greed and it was a politicalissue where religion was used forpersonal goals. Ever heard this perspective?