Monday Morning Blast in Rawalpindi ... An eyewitness account

Re: # 310 Your thinking is right.
The most adverse effect of colonial rule was mental depression for natives and mental slavery. Like burning heat of Punjab a "peon" will suffocate himself with coat , pants and tie and his cap. Mr Gandhi became popular with masses one reason was he was not shy of his dark body and go without "suit boot" even when he went see english emperor , no question of inferiority. Just like a lion is not worried about his body Gandhi destroyed "sahibs" superficial dressing superiority by useing dhoti and little loin cloth as natives do from time immorial times suitaed to climate of hindustan.

Amin is misfortunate to be born where pigmyis are appreciated. and excellence and intelluctual exercised is avoided and discouraged and mediocrity is prefered. Its hard for intelligent to be living and discussing with mental slaves of racism, untruth, hypocracy. religious nuts and outright stupidity taken to higher heights by profanity and abuses. All truth is slaughtered on alter of "isms" and nationalism.
It is sad to see many calling A.Amin does not know nothing including about army affairs. Discussion if done at intelluctual level and understanding and knowing fallability of everybody can lead to mental liberation and sublimation at least with age. Profanity leads to opposite effect.
Amin has done well for he intelluctual capacity and courage goes aginst current to find source and most just give up as its hard intelluctually to examine existing beliefs under light and discard wrong things. We all should learn from him. We have brains and we have mental capacity like eagle to go high and look at things and draw conclusions based on truth and logical thinking than religious or nationalistic blinders. Just as eagle sours in sky he has no hevenly guidence but his understanding of his sky. So all should try to go up and as said in book truth will set you free.

Pakistan is on the road to Balkanization
by A. H. Amin
(Monday, December 5, 2005)

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"Musharraf's policies and his petty opportunism are a grave danger for the region. It is possible that in the end his policies may prove to be seriously counterproductive for world peace."


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When war is expensive beyond acceptance a Trojan Horse is the best option. A Trojan Horse is economical, easier to manipulate and the strategic course less subject to the friction of war.

Lately, the USA has successfully applied this strategy in the Islamic world. The first Trojan Horse of note was Sadaat an ambitious man from a humble background who delivered the most fatal stab wound in the back of the Muslim world. This Trojan horse was delivered the coup de grace by a fearless Egyptian subaltern Islambouli. Another deadly Trojan Horse was the Shah of Iran.

The post 9/11 era is an era of Trojan Horses in the Muslim world. They rule in the name of sanity. In reality they are anesthetists employed to administer a strategic anesthesia to the core convictions of the Muslim masses. Usually men with little political clout, a minority ethnic status, avaricious, conceited, sons settled in the USA, and with little connection with Islam or the real aspirations of a Muslim.

Pakistan was created in 1947 and soon the Pakistani generals in league with British trained civil servants and feudal lords started a joint Jihad to destroy Pakistan's democracy which finally succeeded in 1958. Since 1958 Pakistani military junta has ruled the country and used the Kashmir Dispute as a reason for gobbling up Pakistan's 70 % budget. In the process Pakistani military miserably failed in 1965 war despite significant superiority over Indians in number and quality of equipment. The matter is discussed in great detail in my book The Pakistan Army till 1965 held at US Army Staff College and War College Libraries and also at Air War College Karachi Library. The Staff College Quetta had refused to accept it in their library.

All along Pakistani military junta used various pretexts to solicit Western military and financial aid, the ulterior motive being to consolidate its own position in the Pakistani power politics. First it used the Soviet threat to get US aid. Later it used Afghan war as an excuse for getting aid and now it is using the Islamist Threat as an excuse for getting aid. Even this earthquake is a golden opportunity for this avaricious and corrupt military junta.

When I was research aide with Ikram Sehgal in 2002 one day he told me to prepare draft of a presentation that he had been asked to deliver at the army's National Defence College. The highlight of the topic given to him by the National Defense College (NDC) was that "Ideology is no longer fashionable"!. At that time the NDC had a commandant who in his book had made the Mogul Emperor fight at Panipat after he had died in his book India - A Study in Profile!. Ironically, the same general was the architect of the Kargil blunder as the divisional commander of Northern Areas. Interestingly, before Kargil he was in DC as Defense Attaché!

Recently, General Musharraf has started another jugglery show claiming that he is the man of peace. A good move since Kashmir and USSR are no longer in vogue. Musharraf states that he wants friendship with India and Israel. We do not question his good intentions but taken in depth this signals Musharraf's acceptance that 1947 partition of India was a faux pas. If so many Muslims were killed in 1947, 1965 and 1971 then what was the use of the whole exercise in futility. If Israel is now being engaged by Pakistan's military junta - why it was not done earlier? Why this whole game? Seen in depth, Pakistan's military junta has an institutional interest in peace now. It wanted war when it suited its institutional interests and it wants peace when it suits Musharraf. Seen in this context, Pakistani military junta may be initiating a process similar to the one initiated by Gorbachev that led to disintegration of USSR.

Surely, if India is not a threat, why have such a large army? Why not undo the federal structure and let Balochistan and Sindh and NWFP be states as initially hinted in the Pakistan Resolution of 1940. Why should Pakistan Army be building cantonments in Balochistan?

What Musharraf is indirectly signaling is that partition was a blunder? That war is good when it is good for Pakistani military junta and bad when it does not suit the Pakistani military junta? This is an indirect attack on Pakistan's ideology. Who says that the last Mir Jafar was produced in 1757?

If Musharraf is to be believed then Three wars were fought for no reason. Afghanistan destroyed by pursuing an adventuresome and a genocidal foreign policy by all starting from Ayub, Zia down to Naseerullah Babar and even Musharraf as he stood before 9/11.

The West must not forget that Musharraf may prove to be a liability rather than an asset for the world in the long run. What must be understood is the fact that Musharraf's appeasement of the West will lead to a massive Islamist backlash. Musharraf is far more fragile now than anyone can imagine. Cheap adventure-ism as well as cheap appeasement is equally dangerous. The Pakistan Army was a laughing-stock when they bogged down at Khem Karan. Now Musharraf has proved that all was a grand strategic fraud. If peace with India was good why did not the Pakistani generals did it earlier. Why, so that they could gobble 70 to 80 % of Pakistan's budget every year since 1958? These are serious questions, which no Pakistani politician is asking. Why at least 50,000 Baloch killed since 1947? Why this aimless genocide? Why were 1 million Afghans killed from 1978 till to date just because the military usurper Zia wanted US money and Stingers to sell in the black market? Why is everyone silent?

Musharraf's short-term theatrics need to be reviewed seriously. If all that he states is right then Pakistan will have to re-think its ideology. If Pakistan leaves its ideology then it is a state comprising nationalities, a multi-ethnic state. The Pakistani military junta must not forget that since 1958 Pakistan was an army with a state rather than a state with an army. If now Pakistani military junta makes grand claims of peace in order to please USA, Pakistan is on the road to Balkanization.

What Musharraf has initiated is a dangerous game. Paying in the short run - but - self-destructive for the Pakistani military junta in the long run. Possibly good for the region if a self-serving military machine is reduced to size. Possibly dangerous for the region if a backlash starts and Islamic extremism is the main beneficiary. Musharaff's policies need to be questioned not only by the Pakistani people but also by the whole world.

In the Pakistani context following may be the implications:

Pakistan's smaller provinces may question the rationale for Pakistan. If India is not a threat and Afghanistan is a friend why not have an independent Baloch, Pashtun or Sindhi state. Why have a large army which has been involved in a dangerous foreign policy and in aggression against Pakistan's neighbors. The Durand Line may have significance for the Pakistani junta but for the Baloch and Pashtun it is a Berlin Wall, which will become meaningless one day.
Why should Pakistan have a nuclear program and a large standing army. Why should not the US insist that Pakistan reduce its army and dismantle its nuclear warheads.
Conversely if the Pakistan Army is reduced - why should the smaller provinces stay with the Pakistani Federal State. It is only the coercive force of the army that has kept the Pakistani confederation together.
Why should not Pakistan's neighbors demand a redrawing of boundaries.
Musharraf's policies and his petty opportunism are a grave danger for the region. It is possible that in the end his policies may prove to be seriously counter-productive for world peace. The Pakistani military junta needs to stop playing games, which it has been playing since 1954 when it entered Pakistani politics as a subversive force and since 1982 when it entered regional politics as a subversive adventurous force. The USA must understand that they are not dealing with rational good-natured men but with crafty opportunists who may prove to be a serious strategic liability.

Who has given the Pakistani military junta to decide what is good and what is bad for Pakistan, if their claims are to be believed as now Musharraf states Pakistan was a faux pas?

Now in order to divert the mass' attention Musharraf has come up with a new diversionary scheme that he would build reservoirs. What he wants is to woo the Punjabis, emotional people that they are, but more fatally pitch Punjab against Sindh, NWFP and Balochistan. As an ex army officer, I am surprised where are the fabled corps commanders? Where is the ideology of Pakistan? Who has given a general dismissed by this country's elected Prime Minister the right to do whatever he pleases to do? Musharraf's strategic decisions are taken as if Pakistan is a Paan to be chewed. Sometimes a sweet one and sometimes a sour one. May Allah help Pakistan. Ranjit Singh imported Tejh Singh from Meerut with the hope that a non-Jat army chief would be a blessing. Tejh Singh destroyed the Khalsa at Mudki and Feroz shah in 1845. British historian Malleson recognized that had Tejh Singh not been treacherous the Sikhs would have been won. Alas! it is the tragedy of the Indus Valley that it never trusted its sons.

Some day Kargil and the post 9/11 Pakistani policy may be examined and more Tejh Singhs discovered.

Americans don't trust Trojan Horses for they are really exciting the desire to atone and vindicate the lost honor in the whole Muslim World.

Or is it possible that Musharraf is USA's Trojan Horse to deal with the "Final Solution" of the Pakistani WMDs. This is a matter which historians will decide.

we have been stating this for many years.its on record at various sites and in print . but u see NYT is a Jewish publication and they have their own agenda.

please ban arjun for profane language

Re: # 306 It is ironic wonder mr. S S Salisbury have given short synopsis of what our major Aga Amin had written amy be years ago.
Probably mr. Salisbury must have charged few hundred dollars for this extract from Major Amins article. Great immitation by this mr. salisbury. Now our brit brainwashed browns brits should not feel to say Amin knows more than the white british man.

Re: # 300

urstruly,

..... you left michigan without telling me ! .... what happened ? ..... did you move to canada as a protest against the us elite ?........too bad ..... i would have taken you down to eight mile road and bought you some lap dances to send you off in style ...... maybe we can meet in toronto have that drink after ll this time ........ i will miss you .......... now don't go and do something stupid like signing up as a suicide bomber - that job doesn't have much of a future ......

This is a "cut" that I just had to "paste"... Islamabad seems to be going the way of Belgrade.

What's it like living in a "Punjabi rump state?"

February 1, 2008
NY Times Op-Ed Contributor

DRAWN and QUARTERED

By SELIG S. HARRISON
Washington

WHATEVER the outcome of the Pakistani elections, now scheduled for Feb. 18, the existing multiethnic Pakistani state is not likely to survive for long unless it is radically restructured.
Given enough American pressure, a loosely united, confederated Pakistan could still be preserved by reinstating and liberalizing the defunct 1973 Constitution, which has been shelved by successive military rulers. But as matters stand, the Punjabi-dominated regime of Pervez Musharraf is headed for a bloody confrontation with the country's Pashtun, Baluch and Sindhi minorities that could well lead to the breakup of Pakistan into three sovereign entities.
In that event, the Pashtuns, concentrated in the northwestern tribal areas, would join with their ethnic brethren across the Afghan border (some 40 million of them combined) to form an independent "Pashtunistan." The Sindhis in the southeast, numbering 23 million, would unite with the six million Baluch tribesmen in the southwest to establish a federation along the Arabian Sea from India to Iran. "Pakistan" would then be a nuclear-armed Punjabi rump state.
In historical context, such a breakup would not be surprising. There had never been a national entity encompassing the areas now constituting Pakistan, an ethnic mélange thrown together hastily by the British for strategic reasons when they partitioned the subcontinent in 1947.
For those of Pashtun, Sindhi and Baluch ethnicity, independence from colonial rule created a bitter paradox. After resisting Punjabi domination for centuries, they found themselves subjected to Punjabi-dominated military regimes that have appropriated many of the natural resources in the minority provinces — particularly the natural gas deposits in the Baluch areas — and siphoned off much of the Indus River's waters as they flow through the Punjab.
The resulting Punjabi-Pashtun animosity helps explain why the United States is failing to get effective Pakistani cooperation in fighting terrorists. The Pashtuns living along the Afghan border are happy to give sanctuary from Punjabi forces to the Taliban, which is composed primarily of fellow Pashtuns, and to its Qaeda friends.
Pashtun civilian casualties resulting from Pakistani and American air strikes on both sides of the border are breeding a potent underground Pashtun nationalist movement. Its initial objective is to unite all Pashtuns in Pakistan, now divided among political jurisdictions, into a unified province. In time, however, its leaders envisage full nationhood. After all, before the British came, the Pashtuns had been politically united under the banner of an Afghan empire that stretched eastward into the Punjabi heartland.
The Baluch people, for their part, have been waging intermittent insurgencies since their forced incorporation into Pakistan in 1947. In the current warfare Pakistani forces are widely reported to be deploying American-supplied aircraft and intelligence equipment that was intended for use in Afghan border areas. Their victims are forging military links with Sindhi nationalist groups that have been galvanized into action by the death of Benazir Bhutto, a Sindhi hero as was her father, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.
The breakup of Pakistan would be a costly and destabilizing development that can still be avoided, but only if the United States and other foreign donors use their enormous aid leverage to convince Islamabad that it should not only put the 1973 Constitution back into effect, but amend it to go beyond the limited degree of autonomy it envisaged. Eventually, the minorities want a central government that would retain control only over defense, foreign affairs, international trade, communications and currency. It would no longer have the power to oust an elected provincial government, and would have to renegotiate royalties on resources with the provinces.
In the shorter term, the Bush administration should scrap plans to send Special Forces into border areas in pursuit of Al Qaeda, which would only strengthen Islamist links with Pashtun nationalists. It should help secular Pashtun forces to compete with the Islamists by pushing for fair representation of Pashtun areas now barred from political participation.
It is often argued that the United States must stand by Mr. Musharraf and a unitary Pakistani state to safeguard Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. But the nuclear safeguards depend on the Pakistani Army as an institution, not on the president. They would not be affected by a break-up, since the nuclear weapons would remain under the control of the Punjabi rump state and its army.
The Army has built up a far-flung empire of economic enterprises in all parts of Pakistan with assets in the tens of billions, and can best protect its interests by defusing the escalating conflict with the minorities. Similarly, the minorities would profit from cooperative economic relations with the Punjab, and for this reason prefer confederal autonomy to secession. All concerned, including the United States, have a profound stake in stopping the present slide to Balkanization.

Selig S. Harrison is the director of the Asia program at the Center for International Policy and the author of "In Afghanistan's Shadow," a study of Baluch nationalism.

Pew Research..That thread is like a DVR'ed train wreck..heck, even the islamist puddy cat zeemax has more credibility that capt clueless...


Musharraf has killed four birds with one stone. 1) He has emerged on the worldwide stage as a good guy, and thus strengthened his own position and rule. 2) He has called the bluff of the extremist and not so extremist religious parties in Pakistan. 3) He has greatly strengthened Pakistan`s stance on Kashmir (even Senator Joseph ``the parrot`` Biden is keeping his mouth shut now). 4) He will getting a big economic deal for Pakistan. Following are some good news:

#300 Posted by Urstruly on February 9, 2008 4:35:39 pm

You were fine with the invasion of afghanistan as long as you got a price...

you're like a hooker who got gypped..if the john had given you the full amount, you'd be fine with it...

Here's the whole thread...It's got everything...including the t-shirt with paki flag thing..

At first I thought he was deluded..

then I thought he was just rubbing it into the hindoos about how the pakis were now uncle sam's chosen people..

then I realized he's just clueless...

http://www.chowk.com/interacts/5131/1/0/a

p.s. and urstruly was fine with the invasion of afghanistan as long as pureland got what it wanted with the kashmir cherry on top..

#34 Posted by Urstruly on September 16, 2001 11:23:18 pm
THE COMING DAYS

Pakistan must brace for a wave of ethnic violence and a series of terrorist bombings all across its bazars, railway lines, and densely populated areas. The GOP must anticipate this in advance because CIA and RAW will work in unison to unleash such terror on Pakistani nation. THe Western media will of course be used to spin doctor the whole thing and blame this violence on to Talibans. The purpose of such camapagin would be to change the general public opinion about Talibans in Pakistan. The sympathizers of Talibans in Pakistan will thus also be neutralized.

In this scenario Pakistan has two choices:

1. Expedite the handing over of OBL to a neutral Europeon nation.

If that is not possible

2. Provide US army the camp sites to launch ground operations into Afghanistan. The war of course will take years to end in Afghanistan because Iran, Russia, and China will be more than happy to help Afghans with weapons and supply line because each has some scores to settle. If Russia doesnt do that the Russian mafia definitely will. Afghanistan is definitely a Vietnam in the making.

Meanwhile:

1. Pakistan must raise the case for its 40 F-16s which are already been paid for but US government has hold them for years now, shamelessly and arrogantly.

2. Paksitan should have all its debts paid off by Americans.

3. The issue of plebicite in Indian Oppressed Kashmir must be put on the priority in the United Nations agenda.

Pew Research...You can google up the complete post of the complete thread..



Black Tuesday: The View From Islamabad on September 17, 2001

I do know the PAF is on alert. I think the US C-141s are going to start rolling in soon. I have a feeling the Pakistani pilots and army will assist and guide the US into Afghanistan, if it decides to carry out an invasion (even though the Pakistani govt. won`t admit it openly). There is no way the US soldiers can carry it out on their own.

Man, this is getting interesting. Information Technology suc/ */s as a profession. No glory. I wanna go back and put on the uniform.

Yaar urstruly, you had me at pacifist. You a murtid or sommat?

The lesson that we learn from the past 200 posts is that, I can set everybody's tails on fire who pose as holier than thou p of S on this website. This I can accomplish without even remotly mentioning anything related to "R" word. So imagine what can I accomplish if one day one of my screw gets lose and I stat talking about your "Rs". That goes for all murtid p of Ss as well.

But this is not about me because:

1. I am a pacifist.

2. I do not live in US and left it many many years ago.

3. I do not hate US but only their elite who have turned rest of Americans into monkeys. And they committ horrible crimes against humanity day in and day out.

4. I do not hate hindutva-vadis, I just pitty them. Don't ask me why because I do not want another 200 posts from kicking, screaming, pulling-their-hair numbskulls.

5. I hate violence and want it to stop. Violence can only stop if dadageeree stops. I just read aloud what is written on the wall. I see nothing but guilotines, hunger, and disease. Its not me, its happening right in front of you. I just read it.

6. A friendly advice to Romair: While in India, sleep with both eyes open. You don't want to wake up one day in your hotel room, missing a kidney (or both).

The lesson that we learn from the past 200 posts is that, I can set everybody's tails on fire who pose as holier than thou p of S on this website. This I can accomplish without even remotly mentioning anything related to "R" word. So imagine what can I accomplish if one day one of my screw gets lose and I stat talking about your "Rs". That goes for all murtid p of Ss as well.

But this is not about me because:

1. I am a pacifist.

2. I do not live in US and left it many many years ago.

3. I do not hate US but only their elite who have turned rest of Americans into monkeys. And they committ horrible crimes against humanity day in and day out.

4. I do not hate hindutva-vadis, I just pitty them. Don't ask me why because I do not want another 200 posts from kicking, screaming, pulling-their-hair numbskulls.

5. I hate violence and want it to stop. Violence can only stop if dadageeree stops. I just read aloud what is written on the wall. I see nothing but guilotines, hunger, and disease. Its not me, its happening right in front of you. I just read it.

Re: # 295
Arjun:

Don't forget that Bulleya's 'good looks' are critical to the success of his new Indian venture! It will be very timely if you could pull up his post where he was 'completely gung-ho about the afghan war during the t-shirt with paki flag delusion days...' :)

Re: # 295
Arjun:

Don't forget that Bulleya's 'good looks' are critical to the success of his new Indian venture! It will be very timely if you could pull up his post where he was 'completely gung-ho about the afghan war during the t-shirt with paki flag delusion days...' :)