The ANP Challenge

Re: # 653

Amazing. Spoken like a true professional distorter.

Forget about giving me a candid camera tape, I asked if anyone from Jinnah's worst opponents accused Jinnah of violence ... say a statement from Gandhi, Nehru, Azad or Patel accusing Jinnah of violence. You couldn't produce even that.

Now putting words in my mouth will impress a simpleton like Salman, but to me it proves that you are a devious character without any sense of shame. On the other hand... what Zeemax is claiming was something that was proven in a court of law.

Zeemax,

What makes you think that Indians understimate Pakistanis?
I still consider myself fortunate enough to have watched the DD interview of Imran Khan, along with Sunil Gavaskar, in the late 80s and started admiring the clarity of his intellect. I remember him saying how the sub-continent masses are exploited with jingoism and how much they are common in their poverty? That was the first time I have seen somebody questioning the futility of being overly patriotic.

No, don't insult our intellect by saying that we underestimate Pakistanis...Perhaps, it could be the other way...

Zeemax,

Why should anyone ascribe genuineness to your claims? You just claim to know something because some body told you something and that is because you have all the big connections. All along Manto asked everybody for the candid camera's tape that incrminates Jinnah.

#647 Posted by majumdar,

Aap ke mooh mein ghee shakkar

Aap ko bhi.

There's one request I have of the Indian interactors here (not you of-course).

That is: Never underestimate the Pakistani Nation.

Regards.

One thing is certain: I was wrong when I put my faith in ANP as liberal democratic party. The more I learn about them, the more I get disgusted by them. I used to have a much higher opinion of these fellows but they are a bunch of hate-mongerers who would stab Pakistan in the back the first chance they get. They are neither liberal nor democratic. As Pavo said- and I quote- they are opportunists first class and third rate buggers.

#648 Posted by MantoLives,

I believe you have met Pavo, so I don't think anyone would doubt his credibility.

Pavo is a solid man - period.

#643 Posted by MantoLives,

In addition to a denunciation of Bhutto hanging, I think the people's government should set up a commission to investigate and answer all the questions about mystery deaths in Pakistan ... as well as investigating why Jinnah's ambulance was without petrol on 11th September, who killed LAK, Dr. Khan Saheb, Fatima Jinnah, ofcourse Hayat Khan Sherpao and finally Benazir Bhutto.

Manto, these are the questions which the entire nation, including you and me, demands - and has been demanding for a long time. This time around, someone will have to provide answers, or fall by the wayside.

Despite the doubters and the ill-wishers, and the enemies of Pakistan, I am thoroughly convinced that a quiet revolution has taken place, and Pakistan is a different country now.

The 'people' have spoken ... through sacrifices and bloodied heads of your professional community. All credit goes to the Lawyer's movement, and they will make sure Pakistan remains firmly on the track on which they have placed it the hard way. Political parties will all fall in line along with what the Lawyers say.

zeemax,

Pavo also told me that he was 100% sure it was NAP.

Zee sahib,

(an enquiry into May 12, Jamia Hafsa, Waziristan/Swat operations, impeachment of musharraf if he doesn't leave right now)

Aap ke mooh mein ghee shakkar

Regards

#642 Posted by majumdar,

Majumdar Saheb, ANP is a minor partner (as is now MQM) in the attempt at national reconciliation - a much needed and noble attempt. It will work. The real force behind this reconciliation, is not PPP but PML-N which is calling all the shots. PML-N is committed to the truth, which it has demonstrated yesterday through immediate release of the judges (no one should think that the PPP Prime Minister announced it the first thing after vote count so it was PPP's decision - it was not even on their agenda). This same PML-N will force the Government to either have an enquiry into May 12, Jamia Hafsa, Waziristan/Swat operations, impeachment of musharraf if he doesn't leave right now, and all the old questions such as who killed Hayat Sherpao, or fall. If PPP refuses to comply, they will be ousted by snap elections.

The credit for release of judges yesterday is only the first part of PML-N's agenda. There's much more to come. And, all of it is right in keeping with the Pakistani nation's long pent-up aspirations. PML-N will get credit for each as these are fulfilled one by one.

I think the Muazam Shah lead given by Zeemax is an important clue to Hayat Khan Sherpao's murder.

(investigating why Jinnah's ambulance was without petrol on 11th September, who killed LAK, Dr. Khan Saheb, Fatima Jinnah, ofcourse Hayat Khan Sherpao )

That wud require both Hercule Poirot and Miss Marple working together.

You guys may be able to solve BB's murder though.

Regards

Re: # 640

Thanks for that enlightening post.

In addition to a denunciation of Bhutto hanging, I think the people's government should set up a commission to investigate and answer all the questions about mystery deaths in Pakistan ... as well as investigating why Jinnah's ambulance was without petrol on 11th September, who killed LAK, Dr. Khan Saheb, Fatima Jinnah, ofcourse Hayat Khan Sherpao and finally Benazir Bhutto.


Re: # 641

That would certainly suggest that Lord-M was being controlled by Nehru and not the other way around.

However, another theory says that Lord-M was so taken aback by Jinnah's refusal to make him the governor general that he had become whole-sale anti-Pakistan and anti-Jinnah.

Zee sahib,

Thanks for #640. Btw even if they were really non-violent that cud be explained as arising out of Verkottey Vilayetiness.

(as it will be who killed Hayat Sherpao.)

With ANP poised to have powerful friends and an importnat position in govt do you think that ANP leadership wud be charged, assuming of course that they are guilty to begin with.

Regards

(it was Mountbatten controlling Nehru through his wife and not the other way around. )

Agreed. But then why did Lord M hand over the G-spot and the K-spot to India and not Pakistan?

Regards

VRV, Harish_hyd,

Bhayo ... I have been watching this debate with interest. It appears your arguments are that 'Bacha Khan' philosophy was Gandhian, and that in turn makes it 'non-violent'. Nothing is farther from the truth. I don't know much about Gandhi (because I was never interested in him nor his antics), but I sure as hell was interested in the 'Bacha Khan' antics with that fabulous region of Pakistan called the NWFP. I know NWFP like the back of my hand, even if I say so myself. It's in my blood.

The Sherpao bomb, was to preempt the PPP hold on NWFP, and it succeeded. There was no one after Hayat Muhammad Khan Sherpao, who could carry the candle he lit, except his brother (the ex-army major Aftab Sherpao who knew nothing about PPP), and PPP was stymied. That's why NAP killed Hayat Muhammad Khan.

If you ask me re evidence to support what I'm saying, I've already mentioned a name in a previous post. If you want more, I could provide that too. But of-course you understand such evidence is unverifiable on the web or in books. I know it from the people I knew (at the time), and still do.

My father was a very powerful Government functionary in NWFP at the time, with access to anyone who was anyone in NWFP - many of them were regular dinner guests at our humble abode.

Some say (like blame the victim) that ZAB himself got him killed. Nothing could be more absurd. ZAB had three brilliant people in the three most important provinces whom he trusted the most. Mumtaz Bhutto in Sind, Mustafa Khar in Punjab, and Hayat Muhammad Khan Sherpao in NWFP.

This tactic of blame the victim is a tried and tested one to create confusion and ambiguity.

Nevertheless, it is in the news today that the new Government is going to issue an official apology for the judicial murder of ZAB. As we know, history is written by the victors, and the truth seldom comes out. This step by the Pakistan Government will call ZAB's murder a murder, and history will be re-written - as it will be who killed Hayat Sherpao.