Pervez Musharraf and India Pakistan Rapproachment

Ref Kamath #133

[Dosti Mittar:

I think you write sensible posts. It seems you are not addicted to religion to start with. I wonder if it is due to Canadian mindset, fresh snow and sleepy Canadian Parliamentary culture, rule of law and peace and finally an opprtunity to think without those fiery nationalist inspiration!

I hope you would travel to Pakistan and live there for few months and get a taste of what life there.]

He doesn't need to go to the Land of the Pure.

He can travel to Toronto and find women in burqas.

And Pakistanis tell us no woman even in Peshawar wears a burqa and expect me to believe it.

Ref anil #92

[Re: # 91

Sadna:

", would we ever have had an article from you saying 'Modi must be given credit for not having any riots after 2002'."


Don't you think you are making a case for electing gundaas?]

That is rich, coming from a brain-dead bhaiyya who voted to elect Rajiv G@ndu.

Remember "When a great tree falls, the earth shakes"?

That was a quote justifying the killing of 3,000 Sikhs after Indira Gandhi's death.

You have got three guesses as to who said that.

Dosti Mittar:

I think you write sensible posts. It seems you are not addicted to religion to start with. I wonder if it is due to Canadian mindset, fresh snow and sleepy Canadian Parliamentary culture, rule of law and peace and finally an opprtunity to think without those fiery nationalist inspiration!

I hope you would travel to Pakistan and live there for few months and get a taste of what life there.

Kamath
Rome AJ-22

#127 pea-brain pandit arjun: is this your latest finding? ha! ha! you are more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

Re: # 130 Arjun_5

I should have put additional qualifiers. Namely, 'it is highly unlikely that a freely elected parliament with no pressure from the Army/ISI on its foreign policy and relations with Indiain Pakistan will support a Kashmiri Jehad when it know that the consequence will be unremitting hostility with India. '

It is unlikely that Benazir's government had no pressure from the Army/ISI towards its India policy. My point: put the Army in its proper role (i.e. take orders from elected parliament) and relations with neighbors will improve.

#129 Posted by Pew_Research on February 27, 2008 4:30:36


I'll be more specific - it is highly unlikely that a freely elected parliament in Pakistan will support a Kashmiri Jehad when it know that the consequence will be unremitting hostility with India.


YOu're completely wrong there....remember benazir's jag-jag-mo-mo-han-han? the pakis will support the "jihadi option" if they think it doesn't hurt them...support for suicide bombing only went down a little in pureland because the jihadis started whacking pakis..

don't forget, when pakis thought they were winning in kargil, they were completely supportive of that war...

Re: # 109

"...I am not sure that the erosion of the Pakistani institutions had a negative effect on neighbourly relations..."

I'll be more specific - it is highly unlikely that a freely elected parliament in Pakistan will support a Kashmiri Jehad when it know that the consequence will be unremitting hostility with India. Such a parliament has never existed for long in Pakistan because of the Army's interference. Musharraf did nothing to cultivate one either.

#93 Posted by dost_mittar on February 26, 2008 9:13:49 pm


What's wrong with resolving a problem that has been a festering wound for both countries?


are bhai..resolve, HOW?..

the pakis want indian kashmir...india - the new india, not the kuldip nayyar generation - won't give up an inch of what they have...neither are they interested in Pakistan occupied Kashmir...

so where's the resolution? you people keep saying resolution resolution but never say what a possible resolution could be...all I see in your post is a bunch of platitudes and wishful thinking...

#113 Posted by tahmed32 on February 26, 2008 10:07:45 pm


This scoundrel could have caused a nuclear holocaust in South Asia!!


prophetboy: when the paki junta thought the mujahideen was winning, they were completely supportive of the kargil war..

it's only when the reality of the ass whooping and the abandoned dead bodies came to light that some pakis thought different...a majority of pakis still think mushy sneaking his army up abandoned mountains was tactically brilliant..

Are there no common things between Pakistanis and Indians ??..... There must be a lot of things if we look for it..... It is better to look for these things scale them up….

Dost,

Here is the final divergence proof from india. In pakistan a woman was killed in the office of a human rights activist, no one was charged with murder, because it was a honour killing, completely legal in pakistan. And here is a report from india. No two neihbours can be as far apart as pakistan and india in terms of social values, what people expect from the legal system, in terms of value of human life. The jihadification of the pak society has devalued the life, where people are being killed for a mobil;e phone, and routinely more than a hundred dead unclamied bodies are collected from karachi alone every week, one thing is certain, there is nothing in common between india and pakistan at the aggregate level. Individual levels are something very different, and that does not count at teh aggregate level.


Boss faces call-centre death case
Som Mittal
Mr Mittal faces a 1,000 rupee fine if he is found guilty
The boss of a call-centre worker who was raped and murdered on her way home from work in India is to be prosecuted for providing insufficient security.

Som Mittal was managing director of Hewlett-Packard GlobalSoft in 2005 when Pratibha Srikanth Murthy was killed.

Dost,

Here is the final divergence proof from india. In pakistan a woman was killed in the office of a human rights activist, no one was charged with murder, because it was a honour killing, completely legal in pakistan. And here is a report from india. No two neihbours can be as far apart as pakistan and india in terms of social values, what people expect from the legal system, in terms of value of human life. The jihadification of the pak society has devalued the life, where people are being killed for a mobil;e phone, and routinely more than a hundred dead unclamied bodies are collected from karachi alone every week, one thing is certain, there is nothing in common between india and pakistan at the aggregate level. Individual levels are something very different, and that does not count at teh aggregate level.


Boss faces call-centre death case
Som Mittal
Mr Mittal faces a 1,000 rupee fine if he is found guilty
The boss of a call-centre worker who was raped and murdered on her way home from work in India is to be prosecuted for providing insufficient security.

Som Mittal was managing director of Hewlett-Packard GlobalSoft in 2005 when Pratibha Srikanth Murthy was killed.

Iraquisation

There is one thing certain, pakistan will be iraquised, and indian troops will be in the forefront. Within a decade, mullahs will take over pakistan and the world is not going to tolerate an jihadi bomb.

Knock out the paki troops, the country will get divided as in iraq, and they will fight one another while the rest of the world can have some rest.

Mush was forced to toe with NS line by USA. After 1998, both India and Pakistan was economically weaker for the burden of sanction. Pokhran test was mainly aiming China. When two people fight, they try to keep the pet dog aside. India is also trying to keep Pakistan aside for the larger struggle.

Re: # 119
Karunanidhi has not killed as many as Modi managed to.
Ans: How you know Modi is responsible for killing of more people than Karunanidhi?
Modi has improved law and order situation in Gujrat. Please provide with evidence and statistics to prove your point.
Narendra Modi is in politics for long time. He had the opportunity to amass wealth for long time. He has not opted that path. Neither he has allowed any of his family members to exploit his power. Karunanidhi has kept all his family members in politics and even ensures one of them will be minister to loot public money. Even Mr. Thackarey is better than Karunanidhi. At least, he speaks for Marathis in Mumbai.

Dost

Peace between two countries is an outcome of similarities in values, hope and expectations. There is hardly anything in common between india and pakistan. Pakistan is an islamic country, the legal system is governed by islamic values, exemplified by hoodood ordinance and blasphemy laws.

Indians value education, always ready to claim nobel laurette, chandrashekhar as an india, while he is a long lost indian, an american citizen. Abdus salaam a pak citizen is never honoured in pakistan. For a long time I wrote on chowk arguing that an article be published on his birthday to honour him. No pakistani, has ever supported any notion of some sort of honouring of abdus salaam because he is an ahmadia. India, for hindus and muslims, abdul kalam is considered as the next gandhi.

What I have cited are reflections of the core values of the two societies and they are poles apart.

You will know that in india, bride burnings and now even femeale foetus killings are criminal offences. It was only a few years ago that pakistan changed the laws regarding rape and honour killings in an in-human way. India and pakistan are diverging in terms of social values, and all what you have identified are mere superficial changes that can be reversed in a day.

The divergence of teh central social values are on the increase as india embraces more of teh so called western values, whether they are good or bad. The mosr recent is the living together, equating it to marriage. In pakistan it is death to the female.

I recall that you visited pakistan, but denying the fundamentals do not help pakistan or india.