An Unnecessary Interview with History

@#21

Once again, your answer is more of the same "hoodlums". Question is what did we get from rule of Ayub, Zia and Musharraf?

The only thing these dictator has achieved is to project politicians as evil. They feel to achieve to take democracy out of these illiterate people.

If democracy is given a chance, peopler will drive these hoodlums out of this leadership role. We do not want any General to provide us this leadership.

You are trying to say generals or saints and not hoodlums? I would suggest making "Military Inc" as the textbook of country and Kh. Asif budget speech of 2006 as morning prayer in school assemblies.

http://pkpolitics.com/2008/03/15/khawaja-asif-budget-debate-20067 /

@#20 Posted by econfused
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It is worth pondering as to why these career politicians place or accept themselves under the umbrellas of such corrupt leadership of Nawaz Not-So-Sharief, Asif Zardari & entourage and multiple others who have robbed the nation more than once.
Does this reflect a lack of leadership on part of these brilliants worthy of your praise?

-or-

In order to establish their brilliance they must acquire the aid of these hoodlums that are the robbers of Pakistan?
Why is it that such brilliants do not get out from underneath these fake umbrellas and benefit the country & it's people, since they are so loyal and sincere to Pakistan they should face much difficulty in establishing pure democracy.

If they don't send these so-called self imposed robbers back to their palaces in England, KSA & Dubai I am afraid we don't have much time on our hands to establish the mission of founding Pakistan while these robbers have now formed a consortium to go looting again.

Regards.

I am amazed there are still so many "educated" readers (who by the way enjoy democracy) support a dictator. These guys just keep on bad mouthing politicians. For all these so called Musharraf/Army lovers should listen to Kh. Asif budget speech of 2006.

These people are willing to give corrupt generals decades, but aren't ready to give politicians a real chance?

President says there is no leadership in the country and when I see people like:

Javed Hashmi
Aitezaz Ahsan
Kh. Asif
Raza Rabani
Munir A Malik


and countless lawyers, one has to ask what kind of leadership general is looking for. Are we waiting for angels to come down? or we are waiting for Mahmood Ghaznavi? and Ayubi?

Oh well I hear you as to what you describe which is rather tormenting, however me being the grandson of the person who drafted Qaid e Azam into Muslim League.
I have had more than fair share of my ordeals in Pakistan as well but not at the hand of an Army it was under the rulership of the so-called "most popular leader & politician of Pakistan ZAB" without going into details I suffered at the hands of the Pakistani orientation of democracy and found my way to the west and have been dwelling here for the fourth decade.
I am not at all an intellectual of your level but I feel sure that those democratic rulers & their not so democratic cronies were concerned of what I knew as an eyewitness of various events that took place under those rulers in the 70's, further to which I stopped their rings (when & where I could by blocking such opportunities) that were flourishing on bribery in those days.
It doesn't end there when my children and wife visited Pakistan they were tormented by the immigration & customs officials the hand carry luggage of the children was stolen by the workers at the airport at the gateway of a "muslim" state while they were detained for hours at the airport without any valid reason and this took place during the rule of (Late) Gen. Zia Ul Haq, I wrote to him asking is this how we welcome our guests at the gateways of Pakistan and immediately received a response inquiring as to if we know who were the officials and what were their names.
During the same period as I completed an assignment in Saudi Arabia I also intended to taste the waters of Pakistan after a long time, however when I went to the Pakistani embassy in Riyadh, I was refused the visa to enter Pakistan, I inquired of the consular as to whom he reports to, so I can see the higher official and was told it is the ambassador, I walked in the then ambassador's office and saw Retd. Gen Amir Gulistan Janjua in a parrot color kurta shalwar and the colonial scarf, he inquired the purpose of my visit to him and after hearing me he stated "apka to koi taalaq nahin Pakistan say" and refused to grant the visa. I flew the next evening without a visa guaranteeing the carrier that I will bear return expenses if one is not granted at the airport and fortunately they agreed to carry me.
In one way or another the people who claim to own Pakistan continue to unfailingly torment Pakistanis not to mention they now consider Urdu speaking people not to be citizens of Pakistan.
But no matter what, the love for our homeland that lives deep down in our hearts and flows in our blood cannot be removed or decreased by these less than decent acts of some, and I am hopeful that inshaAllah the day will come when we will get rid of each and every politician existing at this time in Pakistan and start from a clean slate.

Re: # 17 No I dont take them personally - In fact I am extremely honoured...

I write fiction - it is all fabricated of course, I am sorry you dont like what I write, I will try to improve and write what you may want to read...! Though I dont promise.

On the personal front, what I write of course does evolve out of my personal experience and I yet again apologize for the same... Though if you are still interested in my personal self, then... I had established and managed the E-Tech Group of companies which included Hi-Tech Business Machines, Hinet Pak Pvt ltd(ISP) and Hilinks Pak Pvt ltd. The portal was called hilinks.com and the e-card was called the e-tech group e-card. The head office was in karachi with branch offices in Lahore and Islamabad.

Put my name in google or yahoo search and you will find articles on me by Ziauddin in dawn and Sarmad Bashir in the Nation. You will also find an open letter by me written to the President and the Chairman NAB asking them to make my case public... you may also find several years old interviews in magazines such as pakistan economics etc... and if you are still not sure about my identity... there is hardly anything I can do...

It is of course difficult as you know for a missing person to prove that he is missing and that he has been abducted by the state or for the honest to prove that he is not corrupt or for the nation to prove that they dont want musharraf or for the CJ to prove that he is not corrupt and for the lawyers to prove that the rule of law is being abused etc etc.. for all we know all they say may be hawai fires...

Re: # 16
Mr AmerNazir

As i Have said earlier, you are still doing the "Hawai Fires". I asked you to give me some names of the companies you were running or the websites with your name on it that will prove that you were running those IT industries, but you smartly dodged those questions.

www.teeth.com.pk is another website that is funded by anti-Musharraf camp. You would have to come with something more to prove what you are writing is not fabricated. T

To me what you just wrote is a plethora of lies and you took the same approach while writing this article as well.

Chowk.com should do an independent research before letting these cheap kind of articles published and these articles should also have refernce material attached to it.

I hope you would not take these comments personally and will try to clear the air by providing some solid references.

Thanks

Re: # 13 I have never been in politics. I have studied in an army institution and know the army well. I dont know about you, but I have done my share for the country. I spent eighteen years to form and set-up one of the largest IT and e-commerce organisation in Pakistan that employed 250 personnel and contributed towards bringing Pakistan onto the internet map. And by the way, Musharraf gave me a trophy for my contributions towards IT in Pakistan that included introducing the first international portal from Pakistan, setting up a fibre optic based ISP and conducting the first B2B and B2C transactions in the country with the help of the first ever internet based financial instrument in Pakistan... (Read the NAB Diaries on www.teeth.com.pk)

Five years ago my organisation was taken over by some powerful people with the help of the chairman NAB Munir Hafeez. When I fought for justice, I was harrassed and tortured. My name was put on the Exit Control List for three years. I lost all my business, my money, and finally my country and they only allowed me to leave once they thought I had no heartbeat left...( I was never charged for anything, never taken to a court and everything was done illegally)

Inspite of being married to a British national I never applied for a foreign nationality and instead gave my wife the Pakistani nationality.... and you say that I have an inferiority complex...

When we had no shelter or food inspite of having earned millions, and were being barbarically persecuted by this same army,my wife returned to the UK alongwith our daughters after eighteen years and they were given support by the british government...

I could not meet my wife and daughters for three years due to the restrictions on me but finally when they allowed me to leave - I was then given protection by the British government as well on humanitarian grounds...

Since then all efforts for justice have failed. Read my letter asking for justice addressed to the president or else requesting him to close down NAB which is being used for personal gains(letter asking for the chairman NAB to either make my case public or to resign on teeth.com.pk.)

As far as I am concerned these injustices have to be highlighted to atleast save other people from the same fate - and which is happening on a daily basis...

Alternately, if you think that the generals dont make money, that musharraf has not made money then I dont have much to say to you... and if you think that portraying the facts is wrong - then do me a favour... write to the President and the army about this... if they say I am a liar... then I will surrender to them, willingly go to a jail for discrediting the office of our President... now, is this fair...?

Whether the politicians indulge in corruption or the army is the same for me - in either case the vices have to be brought to notice... The difference between me and people like you is that my first loyality is to the common man and then to the offices of the President. In the same way, I respect the pakistan army... but not a corrupt individual who occupies the office by force and the corrupt generals who prey on the civilians and the army jawans...

I am not an enemy of Pakistan my friend - it is ignorant people like you who do not understand that the ultimate power should be the common man, the free media and the free judiciary... that this is the way...

Your comments are unjustified. Kennedy did not abduct his people, killed them, or ruled like a dictator... he headed a democracy... and please instead of quoting ayats - refrain from telling a proud pakistani who is trying to point out the injustices done to a great nation by mediocre self-serving men. Have the courage to prove that accusations are wrong instead of telling people to accept injustice...

And please spare the nation this nonsense about the people deserving this kind of leadership. Have you any idea about how decent and honest people are surviving in the country run by corrupt leaders who rule with the help of corrupt laws because that is the only way to control and loot the nation....

Do not disrespect a hardworking nation...and dont tell me not to point out wrong... instead prove that I am wrong - that what I write is wrong... this article clearly points out that musharraf has no respect for democracy, judiciary or media as well as other institutions.

Not persuing democracy since the current politicians are corrupt sounds like stupidity to me. A defeatist attitude. Now that we have a civilian government and a much more mature nation - we will hold the politicians accountable as well God willing..

An American president, John F Kennedy said at his inaugural speech: Ask not what your country can do for you, ask, what you can do for your country.
Ones actions/deeds are the reflections of their intentions(Hadith)
Look under your arms before peeping at other's.
You are no American Mr. Amer, yet you are enemy #1 of Pakistan and it's people yourself & all those alike. People like you abide by the pettiest laws when abroad yet they ignore or overcome by paying bribes or on the basis of who they know i.e. connections.
Twice Nawaz not-so-Sharief ruled over Pakistan and did not accomplish anything for common people except for himself and his cronies. Twice BB ruled over Pakistan and ----ditto----.
President Gen. Musharaf did not rob a single penny of Pakistan's treasury as compared to these two and several others earlier in the history. Based on your description filled with attempts to humiliate a sitting head of the state you are no lesser than his character as described by you.
"Mr Amer i feel no difference between you and mr musharaf regarding personal offences. I am not trumpeting the drums of musharaf's policies but at least you have some respect for your president.
What have you given to your country?????
People like you are victim of inferiority complex.
JAISI ROOH WAISAY FRISHTAY
Has musharaf asked us to show no respect for human lives whom we are blowing with the spate of bombs??
Has musharaf persuaded us to rape the innocents , plunder the national asset , violate every law the federation has made and make grafting and corruption our popular tenets.
What are you talking about human rights. Did you ever fulfilled your obligations which state demands from you.
Tell me onething, Pakistan in its history has seen dozen of rulers, why the condition of country is not changed? because we people have put all our eggs in pliticians' basket. We have never tried to do something for the betterment of our fellow except leg pulling.
I hope it will be in your consideration:
"WASHINGTON, March 7: A key foreign policy adviser to Barack Obama resigned on Friday, after calling his White House foe Hillary Clinton a “monster” " (Dawn 08 march)
A person has resigned as she made some aggressive remarks. Such a spirit leads the nation to prosperity. If you cant behave like american people then you have no right to clamour for american-styled democarcy in Pakistan. Musharaf rightly says (the only point with which i am agree) that we are different kind of nation so must be herded differently.
People like you have turned Pakistan's problem into quicksand by making the people dispair about the future. When there is complete loss of hope in society, it would not be able to build country on concrete basis.
I request "people like you", instead of criticizing and preaching the messages of hostility , take some bold initiatives to reform the era of progress."

Re: # 13 Friend, the job may yet not be finished... it is perhaps just a step in the right direction. The ultimate power must reside in the people one day and there should be public accountability... the hope is that this is a new world and a new nation - the people resistance has asserted itself... if the institutions develop... the judiciary, the media etc... it will be difficult for anyone to misbehave with utter disregard to decency...

Today, the army officers, the politicins, the state machinery including the ISI and FIA even are subdued and have started worrying about the common man...

There may not be any quick fixes - and our expectations of immediate miracles and turn arounds although the players are yet unchanged is also a bit unrealistic... nonetheless it is a new road, a new process of evolution - and our only hope is that this time it is built on the correct premises and which is of course better than to nourish an army dictatorship...

Haha .. you write well.
However, I don't really see how any of the other folks are going to be any better than Prez. Mush. Especially when you have Sharif's previous track record.

I felt that this article is below the belt. I personally have issues with Musharraf's governance style and the happenings of our country- but i will respect the office of President. Lets not become the laughing stock of the world.

I was even surprised by Nawaz Shareef's political incorrectness in the recent press conference that was held in Bhurban.

Re: # 10 No comments

Mr Amer i feel no difference between you and mr musharaf regarding personal offences.I am not trumpeting the drums of musharaf's policies but at least you have some respect for your president.
What have you given to your country?????
People like you are victim of inferiority complex.
JAISI ROOH WAISAY FRISHTAY
Has musharaf asked us to show no respect for human lives whom we are blowing with the spate of bombs??
Has musharaf persuaded us to rape the innocents , plunder the national asset , violate every law the federation has made and make grafting and corruption our popular tenets.
What are you talking about human rights. Did you ever fulfilled your obligations which state demands from you.
Tell me onething, Pakistan in its history has seen dozen of rulers, why the condition of country is not changed? because we people have put all our eggs in pliticians' basket. We have never tried to do something for the betterment of our fellow except leg pulling.
I hope it will be in your consideration:
"WASHINGTON, March 7: A key foreign policy adviser to Barack Obama resigned on Friday, after calling his White House foe Hillary Clinton a “monster” " (Dawn 08 march)
A person has resigned as she made some aggressive remarks. Such a spirit leads the nation to prosperity. If you cant behave like american people then you have no right to clamour for american-styled democarcy in Pakistan. Musharaf rightly says (the only point with which i am agree) that we are different kind of nation so must be herded differently.
People like you have turned Pakistan's problem into quicksand by making the people dispair about the future. When there is complete loss of hope in society, it would not be able to build country on concrete basis.
I request "people like you", instead of criticizing and preaching the messages of hostility , take some bold initiatives to reform the era of progress.

Re: # 8 I agree with what you say - but we can only hope... hope that the politicians have somewhat learnt their lessons and that the nation has matured - and then after all, the world has also changed a bit in the last eight years - it is now a new scenario...which requires another effort... at least now, we have some semblence of a nation asserting itself by standing beside a free judiciary and a free media - institutions that can hopefully put in place some public accountability...

And you may agree that it is a step in the right direction as against an expedient way out and which is to settle for a wrong road map which may never leed in the right direction...

I assume that you live in the states - and you know that institutions are more important than individuals - that institutions should not revolve around individuals and that it should be the other way around...

During my ordeal which has been going around for years - it was by default that I had to have a close look at my environment and about things that I had not earlier bothered about... and I begged and pleaded for justice with at least 15 generals and scores of high level army officers... some of them had been friends earlier... and what I discovered was amazing...there are only personal interests and financial gains that they are after, accompanied by a common characteristic of arrogance and even cruelty and which of course is based on a self-righteous stand - a stand which has a kosher cover, namely: Patriotism...

They believe that they are indispensible for the international community because of our geo-political position but what is alarming is their outright contempt for civilians - and this is a thinking by default which has taken so much root that it cannot be erased easily...

However, and this was the second most important conclusion for me, that they are so unaware of the world developments and so entrenched in their last century SOP's that they do not have the vision or even the desire to build up systems that can control corruption - they only hope to do so by force,torture and imprisionment and that too only if it serves their purpose... but of course they can only do even this after the fact since they do not have the capability to introduce systems that can deter before the fact... and this is why they have never been able to introduce civilized controls and checks in the shape of laws and systems... in other words they do not have the capability of putting in place civilian institutions since their knowledge is confined to army set-ups only... and consequently, they do not have any concept of human rights, free judiciary and media, a free economy etc... and this is where the greatest threat lies...

Additionally, you see an independent judiciary can one day even bring the army officers under its jurisdiction and they may lose their immunity vis a vis the common man - human rights of the common man can also perhaps one day initiate a challenge to the disbursement of 70% of the national wealth with the help of the judiciary and the media... and the human rights of a common soldier who is so inhumanly treated and given pittance as compensation can maybe throw even the army into chaos and so on and so forth...

No matter how you see it - the army losses if civilied institutions are put in place...it is a zero sum game. Henceforth, although they do not deny the importance of such institutions - they cannot commit suicide by implementing them...

In fact, the above institutions are exactly what this decadent set-up is taught to supress under the guise of sincerity, patriotism, corruption or whatever - and which is incidently also a good slogan to make huge personal money... and then after all, the alternate of the corrupt politicians aside, the rhetoric of progress that cannot be substantiated aside - what has this regime actually done for the common man...

Now tell me friend... how can there ever be any nation building without institution building... the only correct thing for us to do is to work for a system of public accountability - even if our politicians are corrupt - this does not mean we should forsake the correct path...and settle for what is outrightly wrong...

Re: # 7

But perhaps you are presuming that Ameer-ulMomeneen(NawazSharif) or Mr.10%(Zardari) can solve your problems?

Unfortunately, we dont have much choice in the upper brass and we have to choose the less evil person at this time rather than an ideal candidate.

I am not saying that Musharraf is a Saint. What I am saying that in present situation, he is far better candidate as a Head of State than the above two.

I am not denying that Musharraf may have done bad to you, but we will have to prepare for worst after NS and Zardari come to power.

we as a nation are very sentimental and we have short memory, and now we have forgotten all the sins of these corrupt political leaders who were doing worse than Musharraf at the time when there was only PTV and almost zero press media. I dont think, they will be able to ride this ship now.

Re: # 6 Well,you have caught me in the act... no more hawai fires by me I assure you... how did you find out so quickly and so decisively... you are amazing...

I have been trying to get away with this for so long - but you have caught on at once... I guess it had to come to an end...

However, do find some time to read The NAB Diaries on www.teeth.com.pk and several other bloggs including the PPP,TI, and peoples resistance sites, alongwith an open letter to the chairman NAB to either refute the accusation or resign and also articles on this in Dawn and the Nation covered by independent senior journalists...( you will have to put my name in a search engine)

All of the above were also sent to and received by the President, the Chairman NAB, the CJ of Pakistan and the High Commissioner in the UK.

I respect your sentiments - but your realities and my realities are perhaps different - you and your familly did not go through the illegal persecution personally...and mine is but only a small example... tell the families of the missing and the murdered how good Mush is...tell them your opinion...