Reinterpretation of Islam in Turkey

#143 Posted by tahmed32,

tahmed lemme tell you another interesting fact about this Ansar Burney. Both he and his father had been arrested by the SAME mutarraf in I think year 2000/2001 for trying to get Pakistan's carpet weaving industry banned for export to EU on grounds of child labor and distributing video documentaries in Europe. Now the SAME mutarraf has made him the Federal Minister for Human Rights !!!

Re: # 144

tahmed,

... those are fighting words! .... you can say whatever you want about musharraf, but sheikh rashid is a sacred icon and just because the people of pindi got mad at him this time doesn't mean that we don't love him .... his loyalty is to his constituency - in pakistan the only way you can do something for your constituents is if you are in the government ......

musharrafs will come and go, sheikh rashid lives for ever

sheik rashid zindabad !

Re: # 145

zeemax,

.... you might be saying the same thing when musharraf appoints aitizaz ahmed as the law minister and the droopy-eyed chief justice as the ambassador to kazakistan ..... the man is amazing ! .... that's why i am not prepared to count him out ... yet

Hamid and Tahmed,

Could you please hold off this discussion until my new article is published? You have been letting out too many secrets and that will diminish my article's value.
Thanks!

#147 Posted by hamidm2,

Yeah I know he is as much of a beysharam. Is he a pig eater too?

Re: # 148

hp sain,

..... you better hurry up ... the cat will be out of the bag in less than a week

Re: # 149

zeemax,

.... it has nothing to do with musharraf being beysharam or me eating a ham sandwich (which i don't really like) ...... if musharraf manages to stick around it is because the opposition is weak, fractured, corrupt and incompetent ...... in the last two weeks i have not heard any one of them give a simple straight forward answer - it is obvious that they agree with me that the unwashed masses are nothing but sheep .......

"you better hurry up"

hamid,
It is already with chowk but it is too early on the left coast and Ginni is still sleeping!

Hamid!
"in the last two weeks i have not heard any one of them give a simple straight forward answer -"

You are right and remember that Zardari never made any big decision in his life prior to this coming down to the wire.
even his marriage was arranged by his father for crying out loud!

Re: # 153


hp mian,

.... i hope i am wrong, but i think zardari can be swayed by musharraf - i don't know if the man has the gonads to stand up to pressure ....... the woman did

#151 Posted by hamidm2,

Look hamidm2, if you stop eating pig you might grow a brain and quit the beysharmi. I'll tell you what mutarraf is doing right now ...

What was the purpose of Ch. Shujaat's visit personally to MQM's headquarters in Muttarwapur yesterday, where he was showered with flower petals? What was the purpose of his seeking a meeting with Pir Pagara of PML-F (who declined saying he wanted to go to the race-course instead) whose main fixer in Punjab named Hamid Nasir Chattha won a N.A. seat?

The purpose was to dissuade MQM and PML-F from seeking to join the Sindh Government in coalition with PPP, and to sit in opposition instead. The aim is to form a strong enough opposition to keep needling and trying to sabotage the new Government, and eventually prepare grounds to get them dismissed through 58-2(b). He wasn't disappointed as far as the treasonous MQM is concerned going by Farooq Sattar's later statements, though Pir Pagara went ahead with his derby. He's obviously looking for more out of the bargain, but he will comply. He likes saying from time to time he's the 'GHQ' man.

Get it brother? These are the nefarious cards your hero is playing ... to sabotage the electorate's mandate through his lackeys.

Hamid,
This is just speculation on my part but if he decided to go with Mush w/o assurance on the CJ, his party in Punjab will go with NS. Sindhi might let him off the hook temporarily but not for long.
He has been sent to dubia for some brainwash and to keep him away from the pressure that is building.
He might need Istakhara as Sh. Rashid said on tv the other day.
But honestly, Rashid has lost his luster and bluster already!

Sounds like Zardari is back in Karachi and at least decided on Sindh. He is talking big, go watch him. He wants ZAB murder investigated too as NS wants Kargil investigated.

Just who is pumping these guys?

Hamidm: Seems like US lawyers dont care that the Chief Justice is droopy-eyed!! Dont they know how great lota rashid is? Dont they understand that it doesnt matter that Pakistanis can be "disappeared" and the Pakistan Constitution is a scrap of paper that the Great Commando can step all over if he wants!!

An Army of Lawyers in Pakistan – Would We Do as Much?
By Michael B. Terry
Article by Atlanta Bar Association Secretary, reprinted in New Hampshire Bar Association website

This week the world has been inspired by the courage of an army of lawyers, fighting for the rule of law. These lawyers are fighting not in the stuffy confines of the courtroom with legal arguments and briefs, but on the streets, with fists and stones, for the restoration of the rule of law.

On November 3, 2007, President Gen. Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan declared a state of emergency...On November 5, 2007, thousands of attorneys took to the streets of several Pakistani cities, protesting these actions by Musharraf and demanding the restoration of the rule of law. .thousands of beaten and bleeding attorneys were literally dragged to police vans and taken away.
..The impact on society from attacks on an impartial and independent judiciary have long been known. Alexander Hamilton wrote that “[t]he independence of the judges once destroyed, the constitution is gone, it is a dead letter; it is a vapor which the breath of faction in a moment may dissipate.” Attacks on the impartiality and independence of the judiciary are evident and increasing in this country and this state. That which is required of our bar to address the current threats to judicial impartiality is far less than what the lawyers of Pakistan have faced so bravely. Yet, Hamilton might have been speaking directly to the lawyers of Pakistan when he wrote that “[t]here is no motive which induced me to put my life at hazard through our revolutionary war, that would not now as powerfully operate on me, to put it again in jeopardy in defence of the independence of the judiciary.”

The actions of these Pakistani lawyers provoke fundamental questions that every American lawyer should ask of himself or herself: What are you doing to support and bolster the rule of law and the freedom and impartiality of the courts against the current assaults? What would you do if the Constitution were suspended and the courts closed in this nation? Do you have the courage of that bloodied band of Pakistani lawyers? Or, with apologies to Edmund Burke, would you choose to do nothing and let evil prevail?

http://www.nhbar.org/publications/PakistanOpEd.asp

Zardari is making huge blunders. Nominating Qaim Ali Shah as CM Sind over Nisar Khuro who made all the sacrifices is inconceivable. Qaim Ali Shah was CM before and with nothing to his credit during his tenure. Not nominating Amin Fahim as P.M will split PPP. Not taking a clear stand over CJ is alienating PPP Punjab middle-cadres who all support the pre-3rd Nov 2007 judiciary and don't want any nonsense about it. Aitzaz Ahsan will go against the party line in his long march if promises are not kept in the Parliament. The Pirs of PPP i.e. the boob fondler Gilani and the gigolo Shah Mehmood Qureshi as P.M nominees have no credibility outside their home constituencies. Ch. Ahmed Mukhtar is a known crook whose brother Ch. Ahmed Saeed looted PIA when he was Chairman through the second-hand 747 purchases from Cathay Pacific which were not even serviceable.

I don't see much of a future for Zardari, if not PPP as a whole, under above circumstances.

hamidm #158 in your case (and the case of every Pakistani who cant tell wheat from chaff), the last sentence below, instead of reading "would you choose to do nothing and let evil prevail?" should read "would you choose to claim that there evil will prevail anyway, and in any case there is no difference between a man who attacks the Constitution to preseve his job and the man who defends the Constitution at the cost of his job and house arrest for himself, his wife and daughters!!"