How did Hindus Become Vegetarians?

I think, its not true that he is going to kill.
its just he is going to catch and give it to sita so that she can play with and protect deer.

Re: # 343

Iam not sure, iam just guessing that he may be going just to catch the deer.
It might be true that he was going to kill the deer.

Re: # 343

Iam not sure, iam just guessing that he may be going just to catch.
It might be true that he was going to kill the deer.

Are you sure about this below statement,

"It was while Rama went out to kill a deer that Ravan was able to abduct Sita."

Who said Rama went to kill a deer? He is just trying to catch the deer not to kill it i guess.

I came across P.T.Sreenivas Iyengar's book on 'History OF Tamils' and he too corroborates non-veg as the accepted diet of vedic Hindus (includes Brahmins and others). It seems Rhino's meat was the most desired and then came the preference for buffalo and cow. During the vedic period, he says, Hindus invoked several Gods and worshiped fire. Vedic Brahmins offered oblations to the fire and all the tedious mantras were practised during the vedic period. It was, according to P.T.S, during the agamika period Hindus adopted vegetarianism to counter Jainism's appeal, which goaded the youth to adopt a more challenging ascetic life-style. Jainam could have been the original torch-bearer of vegetarian diet. He says that it was during the agamik period where Hindus stopped doing yagams (worship by fire) and started to believe in a single God and temples. Earlier during the vedic period, people used to worship in open.

During the agamik period, God was treated like a human guest. People worshipped by offering food and human accoutrements as oblations. The offerings were eventually used by the worshippers themselves. When he says agamikas worshipped single God, curiously, he doesn't imply monotheism. Probably a single God was treated as the protaganist during the pujas. Saivam and Vaishnavam were the branches of agamika. Brahma lost his prominence during the agamika period.


P.S:- I believe Harimau should be knowing better.

zee (#338),

�… I had asked an avowed murtid how come murtids attack Muslims so much? …I suspect it is because murtids feel threatened by Islam�

It’s the same with the ummah attacking Ahmadis. Ponder over this; therein lies the answer to your query.

Re: # 338

The question is actually very easy Zeemax; maybe nobody thought it was worth answering. I’ll detail it as follows:

1 – It is completely natural to first talk about one’s understanding of the faith system one has left. One obviously has problems with that system, otherwise no reson for dissent.

2 – It is NOT EXCLUSIVE to ex-muslims; In the 20th century, with a hangover of victorian values, it took Bertrand Russell a book “why I am not a christian� to explain his reasons for leaving; several other examples too (Edwina Curry – Judaism, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, your favourite Dr Einstein! and many others – christianity/Judaism). If their was no intellectual conflict then why leave?

3 – It is only “just become possible� for people that left Islam to speak of their reasons; sometimes due to the anonymity of the world wide web, sometimes protection etc in the west.

4 – By and large today, dissent is much better tolerated in any other major faith system than Islam. Until recently, one was automatically “wajib-ul-qatl�. People leave their faiths all the time, especially in the west, they don’t face any major repercussions as a result; surely not a death sentence.

5 – Some of the main reasons for dissent are intellectual and moral (it may surprise you!). Those conditions continue to exist and make lives miserable in the part of the world one belongs; other members of family especially women, lack of intellectual freedom, lack of social justice.....reasons are innumerable.....On, naturally wants those conditions to change for their loved ones, on seeing them go through life with the same baggage, especially after one has seen the freedom it has given them to pursue life fully.

It could go on..... If you had read my first couple of interacts on this site, you wouldn’t have asked this question.

Re: # 338

"..t it is because murtids feel threatened by Islam particularly,"

Not surprising since the consequences of being a murtid is horrible ranging from limb decapitation to death by mob lynching.!!

#334 Posted by dost_mittar

akcheema#330:"I can equally crticise christianity, judaism, hinduism etc but that is not my place"

I had asked an avowed murtid how come murtids attack Muslims so much? If there wasn't a God to them, so be it. Why do they have to run around gathering material to try to prove there isn't one when Muslims don't care a damn whether murtids believe there is one or not?

As expected, I never received a reply. But I suspect it is because murtids feel threatened by Islam particularly, and not the concept of religion in general.

beej bhrata, despite my best efforts to corrupt your mind for the longest time, you don't accept the simple truth: 'ordinary' people of different religious groups are NOT the same.

You are just too impressed by the fact that everyone gets up in the morning, and takes a crap (hopefully). :)

Re: # 330

"I'd also like to say to Laddu (just like Hamidm did before); if us muslims desire for our prophet (and his camel) to be insulted, we should be the ones organising it!"

Cheema ji,

I would accept this as a politically correct statement for an insider to make. But for an outsider who bears the maximum brunt of Mohammad inspired violence I would beg to differ. Unless and kafirs and idolators start making noises and stop paying lip service to Mohammadeans and acting like dhimmis I do not see GENUINE moderate voices like your getting any importance.
Genuine moderates needs vociferous and noisy responses from kafirs and idolators if they have to succeed in obtaining a consensus on ultimately discarding the Medina verses from Quran !!

Re: # 331

Sindhu Sharma ji,

Since you are a brave person , you must attempt the sadhana I have prescribed.

May the Leader of Ganas lead the Gana to the path of peace and lightness.,.

Just remember the attitude when you do the Japa after Avahanam of Ganapati in the muladhara-

" What is outside is inside as well".

This statement is the crux of all Hindu Sadhanas!

akcheema#330:
"I can equally crticise christianity, judaism, hinduism etc but that is not my place"

...but you should (criticise other religions, too); if you do not respect your own religion, why should you be expected to respect someone else's?

As for characters on chowk, some are real (and also known p;ersonally to other chowkies) and others are phony); after you spend some time, you will undoubtedly come to know them better and form your own opinions about them. Chowk also has an option of getting in touch with individual chowkis if they want to be "your friends".

Akcheema, since you are taking input from non-believers, here is mine:

1) Islam is a religion – like many other religions of the world.

2) It has its good stuff and it has its bad stuff, too!

3) Most Muslims are ordinary folks who – like most other people of the world, are not too concerned with the detailed stuff inside (good or bad) and are in that religion because of – like followers of most other faiths – the accident of birth.

4) Unlike most contemporary religions (but like many other religions when those were relatively new), it does not tolerate dissidence well. And those who get DEEP into it – tolerate even less – unlike its ordinary folks most of who do not get deep into it. The deeper one gets – the more difficult it becomes to dig out. Those who try to bring in “flexible interpretations� are immediately shouted down and threatened (be they from inside or outside) and they shut up. (The way some individuals are denouncing the Mirzaees on this board is a current example!) Those who do not shut up get fatwas issued against them and then assaulted or killed for apostasy.

5) Those who issue such fatwas and otherwise keep control have no incentive to let go because they like the power! They instead work to further consolidate this power. There are many among the rest who are too chicken to challenge the setup and instead find it more convenient to deny the problems.

6) That sort of setup keeps the population at large back in other parts of life – education, women’s emancipation, and everything else that follows from those two – including progress in the Arts and Sciences.

Note: This is how I see it, mostly based on the (wishy-washy) Pakistanis on this website. I am not an authority on that religion and am unlikely to become one in the foreseeable future – perhaps not in (this) lifetime!

I must admit it is kind of fun to watch this HP make an ass out of himself again!

And, as the icing - he also has to say "sorry"!

A sorry ass, indeed!

#330 Posted by akcheema

A decent comeback! I am sorry I used some indecent words there. You are new and possibly couldn't get the motives behind that serial offender and the RSS member's posts.

Most of the Indians on this site are of RSS and Hindutva bend and that includes the ones who would deny even being hindu.
People like dost_mittat and anil can't hide their affiliations despite the lip service to some lofty desires.
Keep posting. You write good stuff and ask the right questions.