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Cheema Shaib (#262),

Your observation is on the mark … and highlights ummah’s double-standards.

History of Islam is replete with fatwas of kuffr and inter-sectarian violence; shias and sunnis have been killing each other as far as I can remember … and more. Bhatti Sahib remains oblivious to all this and takes issue with Ahamdi-Muslims - all on basis of quotes from an obscure website. Go figure ...

CA, the faithful need no explanation, faithless ones do.

For the faithful, 'flying prophets' is a minor detail. Anything is possible in God's domain.

For you, Mirzais, and me, that becomes a barrier impossible to cross.

Not that you (Hindus and Mirzais) would agree, but that is how it is.

Believers, of course, may correct me if I misunderstand.

yaar kaal, eik baat bataa, how come you always go back to the refrain of faith needs no explanation yet start out with explaining what faith is? On one hand you ask folks not to question zee or bhatti or urstruly's faith...(as you think it is the right one) on the other hand, you question those who are ahmedis' faith..(as you think it is the wrong one). I think you should take a break from chowk for a few weeks and clear up your logic. perhaps a visit to an ashram or some sufi shrine for meditation or something. you are more confused now than ever before.

Feel free to come back with a lot of words without actually saying much...we all expect it.

Re: # 246
"Actually ahmadism is nothing but a sect or cult based on identity theft. If you take out the name of islam out of it, the whole building of mirzaism will come down, which is kind of a funny thing. Just imagine a cult or sect having nothing new in it except introduction of a new prophet for the sake of nothing and want the name of a already existing religion appropriated to itself and the current followers ex-communicated".


Isn't Islam a similar cult build around Mohammed?

Re: #252
Arrey Bhatti sahib. Don't get too worked up about missionary tactics. If there is any misrepresentation going on it will eventually backfire. Truth will eventually prevail. There is no need for coercive methods. That will only undermine your own case.

sattar bhai, aisa nahi hai.

Believers like zee, urstruly, or even bhatti ji, fully understand that their faith NEEDS no explanation. Explanation is the extra gravy, only for those who need it. At the most, one needs to satisfy oneself. (if there is ONE message you should have gotten by now from your many interactions with tahmedji, that must be it.)

Anyways, we should leave Islam to Muslims. It is not for me or for you - people who make their 'faith' contingent upon dozens of preconditions, preconceptions, prejudices.

Chalo, some day we will discuss our own silly human religion - Hinduism. Then you can make whatever god you want, subject it to whatever conditions catch your fancy, and worship that god in whatever fashion you care. Or not worship it at all.

As our co-religionist anil ji likes to say: then your god will become your best imagination.

Until then, let Muslims in peace, please; and live in peace yourself.

I think we are probably done, but if not, please, the last word is yours. :)

Best regards, and goodnite for now.

Kaal bhai (re #180), … to wrap things up …

You started with a bang and a thunder, but did not say much worthwhile. One may be tempted to conclude you are full of it …

Perhaps you felt betrayed when zee finally turned his back on Islam (#220). Urstruly made matters worse by trying to explain flying prophets (#200); it was painful for me even. I understand you are merely trying to make the best of a hopeless situation … even as these miserable foot-soldiers continue to shoot at their own.

So it all turned out to be much ado about nothing. I hope Bhatti bhai is not holding his breath waiting for some earth-shattering analysis from you. There is none; it’s all fluff with neither meaning nor relevance.

But you’re not alone in your petty obsessions. The world is full of fools; each looking for a cause, trying to be a martyr. But it can get somewhat annoying after a while, you know :-)

Bhatti (#228),

You may claim that your Islam supports imprisoning others over religious differences … and it would be a valid answer.

And that would be a good time for you to retract support for the Golden Principle. I am sure you did not mean it when you quoted it; it was all a misunderstanding.

#229: And unless you have copyrighted “Quran”, I fail to see your point.

Urstruly (#244);

Why bother with discussion when your Islam should simply be accepted? I mean, why? … why now??

Try to sort out the meaning of “last” (refer to #195). Unless you do that, it would be futile to burden you with more stuff you are in denial of.

In the mean time, please come up with more theories about flying rocks and fire-breathing donkeys - it is all very impressive. No, seriously …

"predominantly Christian south africa, an Act of Parliament has declared them non-Muslims...."

Urstruly, non-Muslims generally don't get Islam's internal issues, so that would be hard to believe!!

But if true, that would constitute a GREAT victory for Muslims.

Re: # 254

i give you reference from a Quadini website, read all parts:

http://www.muslim.org/sa-case2/part2.htm

Re: # 253

Now thats a news for me. Can you give me some reference like some news item or law site for south african act......

Re: # 252
I don't think that we should be complaining for their efforts elsewhere. The non-Muslim world is God's open territory inviting us to take the message of Monotheism there. But in Africa the situation is not all that hopeless. There are Muslim missionaries active too who have effectively countered the Quadiani prolesytization efforst there. In this regard, Moulana Shah Ahmad Noorani Sahib and his father has an enormous role. becuase of their efforts in almost all African Muslim countries Quadianis are regarded as non-Muslims, at some places by law. In a predominantly Christian south africa, an Act of Parliament has declared them non-Muslims. May Allah bless the souls of Noorani elders who made enormous efforts to make it a reality.

Re: # 250

Yaar Khurran mian. Hold your horses. I am not judgig them. It all started when they start to judge me and my comunity. I don't have even problem with that.

My problem starts when they go to central aisa or africa and start preaching ahmadism in the garb of islam, and the person on the receiving end does not have any clue as to ahmadism's status in Islamic world. Don't you think they should be more forthcoming by telling whom they preach what they are preaching and where they stand in the eyes of other muslims.....

Isn't it below the level of integrity and fairplay......

Re: # 250

I think we should rather be making their lives comfortable and safe as a minority. They are protected people by Islamic law and by constitution (or whatever is left of it), and thus their lives have more value than Muslim subalterns.

Re; #249,
I am glad that you realize that if you were placed under similar restrictions you would consider them illegitimate and fight against them.

Don't judge your Ahmadi friends too harshly. It is easy to make brave declarations from the comfort of a majority position. Living under overwhelming domination is another matter.