The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now?

Come on, guru ji, you worry too much about daughters. Something has to happen to them, why not marry them off to the majority community?

guru ji, Pakistan has a MUCH better model of dealing with minorities, as evidenced in the relative peace between the majority and minority communities there, and the significantly higher level of minority satisfaction levels in Pakistan. (Before you ask if I have measured their level of satisfaction, I have certainly not heard them complain as much as our minorities.)

We in India need to immediately adopt the Pakistani model. That would be better for everybody and will avoid long-term problems.

Wah Mitter!

Pakistan solved communal problems just as Idi Amin solved problem of human suffering by cooking him and eating. Pakistan solved it by declaring itself utra Islamic state .. making religious minority third class citizens who do not right to protect their own daughters.

Wah Chor machaye Shor!

nkg:

This issue has been thrashed at chowk several times. I may agree with some of the points you make. But don't blame muslims for what Gandhi-Nehru did. As kaalchakra says repeatedly, Paksitan solved its communal problem in 1947 but our karta-dhartas did not. Too late now; we have to follow the constitutions, or else change the constitution.

Dash_Dot:

One wishes that they had at least used "terrorism in the name of jihad/islam", but with 10,000 delegates representing different viewpoints, I guess this kind of diluted statement is all one could expect.

Re: # 17

How does the support for Khilafat movement negate MKG's all other contributions? You would have to take into account the paradigm shifts that have taken place from MKG's khilafat supporting time to the time you have typed. I never knew that you are the mythical Markandeyan.


Did MKG choose to support the Khilafat movement as an act of contriving against a section of populace or his school of thought might not allowed him to see the euphemistic ideas, of the movement, that would morph in the future?

Re: # 17 do also perchance wear kashaaye angavastram!

Nkg,

(It was the institution, which has fought for Khilafat movement. Have ever Congress thought about the dangerous consequence of this?)

Exactly!!! That's why some Pakis (like Yasser) and Hindoos (like me) are staunchly pro-MAJ (pbuh) and anti-MKG.

It may be of some interest to you that Deoband was by and large opposed to partition and Pakistan.

Regards

Re: # 14
I have doubt about the term Hinduism ...
Coming to Deoband...What output India is getting from this? It was the institution, which has fought for Khilafat movement. Have ever Congress thought about the dangerous consequence of this?

Muslims are enjoying more freedom than minorities in muslim countries. They have right to establish their own academic institutions and formulate their sylabus. The fund flow is also not monitored. Furthermore,Govt, sponsors this mediaval middle east stuff in many of the states. Have the state tried to idenify why? Is it our basic culture, which needs to be preserved? No. I feel, Govt. should do that for tribals like Bheel, Kole, Santhals, Garo etc... people. Instead, they are more concerned about moslems. May be large vote bank. When, a separate country is created in the name of this culture, what for we need to keep this useless stuff? Why Govt. has to waste money on Urdoo, when Sanskrit needs more patronage (this language has given us the identity in literature. The first language with grammer. Earliest epic created using the literature. If China, Israel can promote their language, why not us) ? If you are talking about the same rhetoric (moslems are under represented in IAS,IPS, IITs etc...), I have the same answer for this. There is no historic evidence of systemic oppression on moslems. If you are fit for the job, prove it. Every institution is ready to pick the best person for the job. Furthermore, a separate country is created for moslems. Why we need to provide separate privilege as minority to these people? Isn't this sounds rediculous? In fact, Patel was firmly against it. Actual ethnic minorities like Anglo Indians, Persians, Jews never complain about discrimnation or special law to protect their cultural identity.

Dost mittar an interesting article and interesting observations.

What I find interesting (similar to your observation) in the declarations is that the typical islamic/muslim rationalisation for terror has been toned down. But the collective heads have not been removed from the sand - (your para immediately after the quote from the declaration).

The mullahs and the ulema et al are a worried lot in India. They are finding that their flock is slowly flying the coop, and spreading their wings (as jang has put it rather nicely in #5). Also these same mullahs ulema and moolies and maalis are seeing what #1 says and they want to be in the driving seat. That is why they have changed tune, just enuf to keep their home flock happy, and just enuf not to worry their ummahite hommies from arby (that is why no condemnation of the attack on the sovereign parliament).

The sooner these mullahs et al are put in collars and sent to a remote inaccessible hermitage the better it is for all concerned.

nkg#8:

In what sense are the muslims getting more than their share in India? Certainly not a greater share in the army, police, bureaucracy or economic pie in general,

#9,10:
Why should deobandis be banned and not other religious organizations? If you are suggesting that India should have not been a secular country, that would be a separate issue.

I never said that Islam is a peaceful ideology. Would you say that Hinduism is a peaceful ideology?

RiazHaq#7:

Thanks for pointing out to the difference between the Pak and Indian deobandis. In addition to the old deobandi-nationalist muslim relationship, the two outfits are facing two different situations and have therefore to adjust their positions accordingly. At the same conference in Pakistan, I recall that the Indian deobandis prevented the passage of a resolution on kashmir.

izuber$7:

Speculative, yes. But would you call it reasonable speculation?

jang#5

"IMO at this point in time indian non-muslims and indian muslims do not have differing aspirations"

Could agree with you as far as domestic issues are concerned. Not too sure about foreign policy issues.

Whether DM agrees or not, Islam was never a peaceful theology. The history of Persia, Sindh etc...tells different story. Now, the peaceful islam is invention of Nehru and it's followers in post independent India. Noted Bengali authors tells different story (Banking Chatterjee, Rabindranath Tagore). Some people try to brush aside these people, as they have received enough patronage from British rulers, that they may distort history. But, how can you explain the animosity of Gujjus against moslems? Marathis against moslems? Problems in Karnataka? I know large amount of folk stories in Karnataka, which is totally opposite to what History book in India teaches. Most of our books largely concentrate on British period and try to paint that period in negative way. In practice, we follow the rule and institutes created by British people. Furthermore, I can see evidence of islamic barbarism in Hampi, Thirupati etc...

Muslim population increase may not be a planned activity. How a muslim family in Karala related to a muslim family in Bihar? The population increase is largely due to backwardness in mentality. Whatever rise of islam ocurred in India and Bangladesh, started in middle of 80s, largely due to middle east petro dollar. The process had started in Pakistan long back, and so, they are suffering little earlier. Bangladesh and India is the next Pakistan. Crude oil has touched 100US$. Do you think huge profit from the rising price is used to sponsor reserch projects in Stanford, MIT? Nope.

Re: # 1
It is not such. India is now ruled by regional sentiments. Moslems are getting more than what they deserve. But that is viotebank politics, which we call democracy. In states like Orissa, Jharkhand, Uttaranchal, Nagaland, Mijoram etc... moslem presence is very less. Why BJP is not able to hold power there. Key to success is good governance. BJP is good on paper, when comes to administration, they have failed to bring radical changes in cow belt states like Rajasthan, MP, UP. If BJP was not able to consolidate so called Hindutwa vote bank in cow belt, it is due to V P Sing. The OBJ vote, which was with BJP is taken away by parties like Laloo and Mulayam.
Coming back to the topics, Deobands etc...should have been banned in India. Why this mediaval barbarism, in the heart of India? Nehru & Congress fresh from the shock it has received during partition (I think most of the Congress leaders have not expected such level of violence), had tried to pacify remaining part of moslems with this kind of carrot.