The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now?

If true, it just means that these are meaningless comparisons but I am hardly the one bringing them up :).

Yasser,

I am not sure the migrant population in Punjab is accurately acocunted for but I will try to get back with more details. By the way what do you make of the fact that Fascist Modiland has a higher Muslim % than Hindoos of Sindh- the birthplace of MAJ (pbuh) and the (allegedly) secular PPP.

Regards

Re: # 162

What is the problem there at Chidambaram?

Majumdar,

Dostmittar answered your post:

"However, a qualification is in order, most muslims in punjab, outside Maler Kotla, are not Punjabi speaking but more recent migrants from other states. "

Hence the number is any event irrelevant to any discussion of partition.

Dostmittar, Majumdar,

Even if we assume that Pakistani census figures are accurate (which are contested universally), if you were to add those areas that were subject of partition Punjab and Bengal... there are more Non-muslims on the erstwhile Pakistani partitioned provinces of 1947 (West Punjab and East Bengal) than there are Muslims in their counterparts.

So I am not sure what anyone wants to prove through this discussion.

NKG,

I am afraid I cannot accept your claim as it based on propaganda and nothing else.

In any event, Pakistan's census tragically underplays minorities and a more reasonable estimate is that there are about 8-12% Non-Muslims (I am not counting the Ahmaddiya community- the number jumps if we add them)... Reliable Christian sources put Pakistani Christians alone at around 10-15 Million. Pakistani Hindus number between 2.5-4 million.

Ref Golt #161

[Do you need that for the Kumbakonam dikshithars?]

The Dikshithars are in Chidambaram, not Kumbakonam.

Just keep going to Tirupathi and get your head shaved.

Re: # 160


Do you need that for the Kumbakonam dikshithars?

Ref Golt #151

[...he started advising the farmers to perform yagams and had a numerologist side kick to suggest name changes for them. All this didn't help in good yields.]

What were the new names?

Were they along the lines of Tamil Selvan or Tamil Kudimagan? Or, more like Sudalaikkannan and Mannankatti?

Re: # 146
As per my experience in Mumbai and Kolkata, there are couple of muslims ghettoes ( sometimes called mini-Pakistan), which people even dare to enter at day time ( sometimes even police). This is example of terrified moslems!!!!

Re: # 146
Terrified Minority?
Moslems dominate the criminal space in India. Remember the haydays of Dawood Ibrahim, Chhota Shakil, Anis Ibrahim... these dons with Dubai as head office...

Yasser,

(In Indian Panjab the Muslim population is next to nothing. Infact, you will find a lot more Pakistani Sikhs in Pakistani Punjab than Punjabi Muslims in Indian Punjab.)

Haryana, HP and Punjab constituted the erstwhile Indian Punjab. The proportion of Muslims is 5.8%, 2.0% and 1.6% respectively.

(source: Census of India)

Proportion of Hindus in Pak Punjab 1.85 (incl SCs), Others (0.7%) which I suppose wud include Sikhs as well.

(Source: http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/statistics/other_tables/pop_by_religion.pdf)

But I suppose 1.6% wud be next to nothing while 1.92% wud be a plurality!!!

Coming to Sindh the birthplace of the secular PPP and homeland of MAJ (pbuh)- the % of Hindus and SCs- 7.5%. By contrast the pop of Muslims in Hindoo fanatic Modiland -9.1%.

Regards

Re: # 132
If Ahmadis and Sikhs are more educated, then it may be their better social culture and value system. In India, Parsis and Anglo Indians are most advanced group. Does that imply, GOI takes special steps to promote them? Moslems are backward than upper caste hindus everywhere (UK and USA is nice example of it). So, backwardness of muslims in India is quite natural. Pakistan was created out of that fear (muslims can not compete with hindus in jobs. Job reservation in 1909 and 1919 by Lord Curzon had not solved the problem). Rather, the way Govt. of India pampers muslims (initially it was on the garb of minority. Now directly, 1000 crores for muslims alone!!!!).

Re: # 142
Overall non-moslem population is decreasing in Pakistan. Can you explain the decrease of overall numbers (not merely %)? In contrary, overall percentage of muslims are increasing in India. May be it is your islamic value system to lie. Just drift away litte from Islam, and be honest.

Re: # 131
In HDI index , Cuba was far ahead of China during 1970s. China may be permanent member of security council, but only member without it's own defence technology. They solely depend upon technology transfer from Russia. So, Cuba should have been preferred than China, if Cuba have deserted Russian block. The reason was geopolitical closeness. China and Pakistan is plced in between India and Russa. So, USA needed these two countries and tried to infuse some power in it.

Re: # 83
Oh, Pakistan will threaten USA for what? Couple of suicide bombs? If Pakistan is surviving, it is due to Arab Oil. When USA does not need that, they don't need to pamper Pakistan. After 9/11, they have shown that. Pakistan is no Vietnam (disciplined and hard working society).
Can you please elaborate Pakistan's strength? Taxi cab drivers in Europe, USA or Indian Restaurant owners/workers in Europe and USA, does not make it strong in the respective country. Only in one field, you are ahead of rest is breeding. That does not make any community strong.

#133 MantoLives

[So let me get this straight. You are saying that any Muslim who follows the Quran or believes in Islam is a terrorist? In other words anyone who believes in Islam is automatically a terrorist?]

No. He/she is automatically an enabler of terrorism, and responsible for supporting a movement that is MUCH more insidious and harmful for humanity than Communism, Fascism and Nazism combined.

Just like the party members of the Nazi party were not all evil people, but were all enablers of evil.