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The Deoband Declaration on Terrorism: Why Now?

Dost Mittar March 3, 2008

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#151 Posted by vengatramanan on March 16, 2008 9:43:57 am
Re: # 149

The funny thing was, in addition to pawning his brain to the fertilizer companies, he started advising the farmers to perform yagams and had a numerologist side kick to suggest name changes for them. All this didn't help in good yields.

Let me know if you have time for more Brahmin stories.

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#150 Posted by vengatramanan on March 16, 2008 9:42:39 am
Re: # 149

The funny thing was, in addition to pawning his brain to the fertilizer companies, he started advising the farmers to perform yagams and had a numerologist side kick to suggest name changes for them. All this didn't help in good yields.

Let me know if you have time for more Brahmin stories.

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#149 Posted by vengatramanan on March 16, 2008 9:30:34 am
Re: # 147

Perfectly ok answer from you, considering the years of cramming your people have put in for generations.

Now, you got in deep shit when you tried to set that as the benchmark. I know a Brahmin mongrel, at Tirunelvely who topped the state and became an agri engineer, only to be brain fukced by the peasants on the street. He has no clue about what he has learnt. Let me know if you can provide a helping hand. Fyi He is closely related to Bharathiar.
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#148 Posted by dost_mittar on March 16, 2008 9:07:40 am
Manto#142:

There is a significant number of muslims in what was east punjab. Here are the figures from 2001 census:

Chandigarh 409,615
Haryana 1,222,916
Himachal 119,512
Punjab 382,045

They add up to over two million muslims. New mosques are coming up in all major cities of Punjab - Ludhyana, Chandigarh, Amritsar. However, a qualification is in order, most muslims in punjab, outside Maler Kotla, are not Punjabi speaking but more recent migrants from other states.
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#147 Posted by ISlamIslam on March 16, 2008 9:05:27 am
Ref vengatramanan #143

[IslamIslam,

The other day, when I was asked to recite the DB connection code line by line, over phone, I just went blank. What's your inference?]

My inference is that you are a brain-dead Golt with an education obtained solely on the basis that you fit into some OBC quota.
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#146 Posted by vengatramanan on March 16, 2008 8:50:53 am
Manto,

I am interested to know your pov on the Taslima attack in Hyderabad. The perpetrators were bold enough to come on NDTV/CNN-IBN to proclaim the validity of the fatwa on her.

Where's the terrified minority?

TN CM is bold enough: to be a Hindu aethist,to use stunning epithets against Hindus,
but never misses a ifthaar party and the
skull cap.
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#145 Posted by vengatramanan on March 16, 2008 7:27:52 am
Manto,

You too sound equally simplistic, when trying to say that Muslims are discriminated by the state or the majority of the Indians. Did you ever think, a peaceful India is what the majority of Indians would want? A christian in India do not have to wear a veshti.
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#144 Posted by ajeya on March 16, 2008 7:21:31 am
#142 Posted by MantoLives

In any country with a significant Muslim population, Muslims become the entrenched and implacable enemies of non-Muslims. There are always grudges - Islam khatrey mein hain, non-Muslims are communal etc. In EVERY country. I have spoken to non-Muslims around the world. It's ALWAYS the same.

Urstruly knows the reason for this. Mohammad still lies coiled in the brains of the Mullahs.

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#143 Posted by vengatramanan on March 16, 2008 7:17:58 am
IslamIslam,

The other day, when I was asked to recite the DB connection code line by line, over phone, I just went blank. What's your inference?
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#142 Posted by MantoLives on March 16, 2008 7:02:28 am

ISafe,

Unfortunately people like Vengatraman forget the essential facts. The Muslim Majority areas that formed Pakistan had absolute Muslim majorities... Sindh's Hindu population remains strong and so does that of Bangladesh. Punjab saw a complete exchange of population. So the question of why the Muslim population is ascending is meaningless given that the accurate comparison would be province to province. In Indian Panjab the Muslim population is next to nothing. Infact, you will find a lot more Pakistani Sikhs in Pakistani Punjab than Punjabi Muslims in Indian Punjab.


Unfortunately simplistic arguments like the one Vengatraman put up has blinded our Indian friends from across the border.
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#141 Posted by ajeya on March 16, 2008 6:34:50 am
#134 Eklavya

[ajeya, ISlamIslam, dudes, what's with all this ego-metastisization?! Both of you bring unique and very valuable perspectives. And we can all be wrong once in a while. Give others the same benefit. Bashing each other is so counterproductive.]

Well, maybe I was a little bit too direct in my first post to Harimau. In general, for me, he has been the pick of the posters, with comments that have been both knowledgeable and incisive. I have learnt a lot about Muslims and caste relations in India and in South India in specific, from his posts.

I think he is a very intelligent and well-educated person who thinks before he writes anything. Maybe that's why I was so surprised and upset by his post describing India and China as mere puppets of the US. I expected much better from him.

However, you are wrong about the ego bit. Who cares about ego. This is an anonymous site. And I'm not even looking to make friends.


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#140 Posted by vengatramanan on March 16, 2008 5:58:48 am
IslamIslam,

Many of the forigners could not explain, why Java does not offer multiple inheritance. Does that mean all of them are zilch?
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#139 Posted by vengatramanan on March 16, 2008 5:53:08 am
'The percentage of Hindus and Sikhs who did not cross the border and survived the crimes of partition has remained steady at 3-4%.'

How do you manage it?
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#138 Posted by 1Safe on March 16, 2008 5:27:26 am
re #135

This is a 'question' heard so often, but mostly from the same groups who have their own 'agendas'.

I am not hopeful that this brief description would help, but
anyways:

It is about the two census taken over more than 10 years apart.

First census was taken by the Raj, where in west India the Sikh/Hindu population was 21-23%.

Second census was taken a decade later by the Pak Gov.
where you have 3-4% Hindu/Sikh.

What is missing? The 9 million who crossed the border into India in 47-48. Missing also are the 10s of thousands of the innocent who were killed in 1947.

The percentage of Hindus and Sikhs who did not cross the border and survived the crimes of partition has remained steady at 3-4%. Not included in this are the tribals.

Could you please do us all a favor, and pass this along? Thank you.
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#137 Posted by vengatramanan on March 16, 2008 5:25:37 am
Why would a government release casualty figures, a fraction of the actual?
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#136 Posted by vengatramanan on March 16, 2008 5:11:30 am
Manto,

I was in Coimbatore, doing my engineering, when the blasts happened. Do you know how many Hindus died on that single day?

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