The Naval War College Bomb Blasts

#354 nkg

[Re: # 279
Tahmed32...Innocent people of Kashmir has sufferred!!!! Who are innocent?]

nkg,

Islam considers human decency and compassion as a weakness to be exploited in the enemy. So the standard ploy in all islamic (i.e. terrorist) "struggles" is to use the enemy's humanity against him.

The method is time tested:

1) Use the islamic society around you as cover. Shoot at the enemy and disappear under the skirts of the women and hide behind the children. Hamas militants often have children riding along with them in cars for insurance.

2) No matter how careful the enemy is, if they shoot back, there WILL be some collateral damage.

3) Use these collateral deaths as a public propaganda weapon against the enemy - there will be bleeding heart liberals and sanctimonious lefties who then will start ranting and raving all over the media. There will be Islamic fundamentalists (like prophet Tahmed) who will scream the loudest, thus acting as enablers for the terrorist organizations.

4) These people will keep up their moaning, groaning, whining and complaining to keep working on the compassionate side of the enemy so that the enemy is divided - in two minds.

5) Meanwhile, keep up the mass murders of innocent women and children of the enemy (just like Hamas did recently in Israel).

This is the standard mode of operation of these worms. They have perfected it and use it all over the world.

Re: # 339
I get surprised, how come these bi-ped animals in Pakistan deny their glorious past and try to take the identity of looters, barbarians, who have destroyed their civilisation?
The home grown Taxila and Harappa can provide more glory than being a part of a mideaval middle barbaric cult.

Re: # 314
Yes Mr Masadi... The way people believe you, same way people have to believe that Islam is peaceful and Mohammed was great person. The 22% favourable people have to be enligtened. We can not change moslems to reasonable human being; but can atleast inform others there.

Re: # 279
Tahmed32...Innocent people of Kashmir has sufferred!!!! Who are innocent? The jihadis who have already killed 80,000 Kashmiri pandits and looted their properties!!! May be according to Islam/barbarism, it is the definition of "innocence", but you can not sell this definition to civilised world. Indian security forces are very lenient in Kashmir, otherwise, they could have wiped out the root of terrorism/Islam in Kashmir and brought back civilisation there (they way they have handled Khalisthanis in Punjab).

Re: # 334
What about people who have already brought Juguar and landrover will they be compensated for depreciating their driving machines in this take over ?

Ans: What is depreciating? Is the quality of car getting reduced when the company management changes? You are typical moslem/barbarian. Tata is not going to dilute the quality of the products, they want to popularise it. If they dilute quality, they will suffer. When Compaq had taken over Digital Equipment Corporation, lot of people were very apprehaensive in high end computig sector. A company selling PC will take over a technology giant like Digital!!! A lot of engineers (even from India, along with US counterpart) left Digital/Compaq. But Compaq had not diluted quality of products sold by Digital. If Lenovo can take over the PC segment of IBM, so can Tata any automobile company. Tata had not accumulated wealth by digging oil beneath the earth and flaunting that money to aquire JLR. The are in automobile sector quite long period of time and they can handle it.

From Ayesha article

Ayesha Siddiqa gave insight into perks military personnel receive. “Officers get 50-75 acres of land, and soldiers are given roughly 12.5 acres each, but soldiers don’t get other subsidies.” Land without water and accessible roads does not mean much, Ayesha Siddiqa said. Officers get these benefits, but soldiers don’t.

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The source of paki army corruption is the partition, it is the land left behind by the hindus that has fueled the land alocations and the rise to power of the pak military.

here we go again, hindus are responsible for pak problems.

Re: # 342

I agree tahmed; I think even if he was a spy, 35+ years is more than enough punishment (I am against the death penalty, especially in OUR context where injustices are rampent).

As for if he was an enemy soldier "killing" our soldiers, surely if he was caught alive he'd be a prisoner of war and be dealt with as per the Geneva Convention. Even then, 35+ years would have been enough. Same applies to "POWs" from the Pakis side incarcerated in India after the 1971 fiasco.

However, the release was under the pretence of his innocence; that makes everyone feel like a complete d..k; that is the issue. Poor Kashmir has nothing to do with it.

#348/349 Posted by tahmed32

tahmed join the discussion b/w me and hamidm on HP's board. It appears Zardari is preparing to be a turncoat.

zeemax:P i also had the chance to meet some lawyer reps from Pakistan visiting the US a couple of days back - one of them had a large police contingent break his house door at night in november 2007. he asked them if they had a warrant - and the police said they did not need a warrant under the PCO. and they took him away to prison where he was kept in solitary confinement for 15 days - and slept without any bedding in the cold weather.

i hope musharraf is hauled before court and held accountable for this crime, as well as every other crime he has committed.

zeemax #347 actually we both win.

btw, i was just watching zardari give a press conference on geo tv, and he seems to be a chhoopa-rustum. That is, contrary to his image of being a ghoonda, he speaks like a well-read man with very mature outlook on politics.

Of course actions speak louder than words and time will tell..but for now he seems to be doing a great job.

#346 Posted by tahmed32,

I give up! I don't know how to argue with your defense of spies! You win!

zeemax #345 There used to be a joke in 1965 in the military - that the only military secret we should make sure the Indians dont find out is that General Musa is a duffer. :-)

There were no secret bridges and airports in Pakistan.

#344 Posted by tahmed32,

tahmed saheb, spies identify bombing targets and convey these to the war planners. I'm sure they're aware photography of airfields and bridges is prohibited but they don't read the signs saying that. Right?

I can't believe what you're saying!

zeemax #343 absolutely - in the circumstances i mentioned. we take too many things for granted.

What would this man have spied on?

weapons? at the time pakistan had sherman and m-48 tanks and some chinese tanks i think - their strengths and weaknesses were well known even at that time.

airports and bridges? (whose photography is prohibited to this day) that would provide virtually no edge.

Troop deployments? peacetime stations are well known. it is only in case of troop movements in wartime that you need to keep them secret until the time you attack - that wasnt the case.

#342 Posted by tahmed32,

Hmm ... spies are harmless. Are you serious Sir?

zeemax #341 If someone is killing someone else, that is a different story. Spying wrt conventional armed forces does not put even a dent in national security. (nuclear weapons and missile deployments need to be secure - but they did not exist when this man was caught).

It is too easy to make harmless people suffer in the name of national security.

#340 Posted by tahmed32

If he was a spy, then Kashmir Singh was merely obeying his stupid orders, and as such did not deserve a single day in prison.

??? What if he was an enemy soldier killing ours ??? No prison too because he would be obeying orders ???

#336 Eklavia: If he was a spy, then Kashmir Singh was merely obeying his stupid orders, and as such did not deserve a single day in prison. The orders would have been stupid because it is stupid to think that his taking a few pictures here or there would make any difference in real life.

On the other hand, if he was not a spy, then he is just another example of how poor people from Pakistan and India have suffered in prison as a result needless political tensions.

Masadi,

If you Show & Not Tell, then there will be some space for the reader's to own intended conclusion. This massaging of ego is necessary for their learning. Your way of breaking the coconuts is not the best. It has taken more than 150 years in making the coconuts. This guy is talking the same thing as you.
http://rajivmalhotra.sulekha.com/blog/post/2002/07/the-axis-of-neocolonialism. htm

Coconuts (brown outside white inside) is according the design of Sir Macaulay. But is there a precedence to such designs? Same is visible when set of people do not care for the land on which they are standing but consider distant desert holy land. If they have done once they will do next time. They realize when their kids grow rootless. But have compassion for these ignorants. There was a good utube infomercial on the origins of Federal Reserve. There is some truth but I wonder is it possible to fool all for all the time. May be it is possible. Did Arabs and Islamic invaders did the same thing to Persia, stans north of it or even south-east. Islam, Communism and to some extent Christianity demands becoming rootless?

Following may interest you.


I lament that we in Pakistan, those of us whose ancestors converted to Islam, insist on denying our pre-conversion history. For us, it simply does not exist. We invent tales of imaginary ancestors having arrived in the subcontinent duly converted to the 'one and only true faith' from some place in Iran or Central Asia. Pride of place of course goes to all those who subscribe to the yarn of their ancestors' heroic overland trek direct from Mecca. I know of families who possess genealogical charts connecting them to prophets of yore and, in one case, even to Adam himself!

Consequently, everything that transpired in this great and wonderful land of the Sindhu River before the arrival of these august (albeit imaginary) personalities was Kafir. To be proud of it is criminal; to acknowledge it negligent of religious duty. Not surprising then that some of us even have a problem mentioning Moen jo Daro and Harappa.

Since all our imaginary Islamic ancestors came from the west, we somehow got it into our heads that all those who came from that direction were also necessarily Muslims. An 'historian' at Taxila once told me that Alexander the Macedonian was one of Islam's greatest heroes. Similarly, on a visit to the village of Mong (Mandi Bahauddin) many years ago, a man floored me by not only commending Alexander as a personality of the Scripture but also for reviling Paurava (Porus in Greek) as a Hindu. But history remembers Raja Paurava as a man of rare character.

The Battle of the Hydaspes (Jhelum River) was fought in the year 326 BCE on a beautiful morning in late May after a night of torrential rain. The crystalline blue sky would have been piled up with cumulus when Paurava's Punjabis advanced to meet their foe the Macedonian, Greek, Scythian, Persian and even a brigade of Punjabi troops from Taxila. From even before day broke, it was a hard fought contest. And before the sun had started to wester, the Punjabis were in disarray. The battle had been lost.

Arrian, the Greek historian, writing four hundred years after this epic battle pays tribute to Raja Paurava thus — and there can be no greater tribute for it comes from a foreigner: 'Throughout the action Porus proved himself a man indeed, not only as a commander but as a solider of the truest courage...his behaviour was very different from that of the Persian King Darius: unlike Darius, he did not lead the scramble to save his own skin ... [but] fought bravely on.'

With all his units dispersed, Paurava, himself grievously wounded in the right shoulder, eventually submitted to an old philosopher friend of his and permitted himself to be led into Alexander's presence. Arrian recalls that encounter: '[Alexander] looked at his adversary with admiration: he was a magnificent figure of a man, five cubits high and of great personal beauty.' The cubit being variable in various parts of Greece, this figure would yet mean that Paurava was no less than seven feet tall! And Alexander of middling stature would have had to look up into those dark eyes and the sweat-streaked face.

It was then that the famous exchange took place that even the most ignorant among us know of. What, asked Alexander, would Paurava wish that the conqueror do with him and Paurava replied that he wished to be treated as a king. This much we all know. But Alexander had a farther query. 'For my part your request shall be granted. But is there not something you would wish for yourself? Ask it.' And Paurava the Punjabi who we are ashamed to claim as our own said that everything was contained in this one request.

Peace was made between the victor and the vanquished and it has been said that this was one battle where both sides emerged victorious. Alexander returned Paurava's kingdom to him and shortly after the death of the king of Taxila asked Paurava to look after the affairs of that kingdom as well. Just three years after this great battle on the Jhelum, Alexander died under mysterious circumstances in Babylon. That was June 323 BCE. Within years, the great Raja Paurava was assassinated and the story seems to have ended. But not quite.

In 44 CE, Taxila was visited by a Greek philosopher named Apollonius. The philosopher's account (kept by his diarist) tells us of two temples, one outside the city walls and the other by the main street leading to the king's palace. Both temples had large copper plate murals adorning their walls. The murals depicted scenes of battle from the struggle that had taken place on the banks of the Jhelum River three hundred and sixty-seven years earlier.

The account marvels at the finesse of the renditions: the colours and the forms were as though one were watching a real scene frozen in time. The murals in both the temples depicted Raja Paurava in defeat. The account goes on to tell us that these murals were commissioned by Raja Paurava when news of the death of Alexander arrived in Taxila. Consider: Alexander was dead in distant Babylon, his Greek garrisons in the Sindhu Valley had deserted and Paurava was now the unquestioned master of this country. As sole sovereign, he could have ordered the murals to turn history around and depict him in glorious victory and Alexander in abject and shameful defeat.

But the Punjabi king was not just great in physical stature; he possessed also a soaring spirit and largesse of the heart that few of us know. The king ordered the murals, so it is recorded by Apollonius' diarist, in order not only to acknowledge his friendship with Alexander, but also to preserve history as it had actually unfolded. In his wisdom the king knew that the creative passage of time was bound to alter history.

When the murals were put up, Taxila was what we today know as the Bhir mound. Two hundred years later, the Indo-Greeks shifted it to the remains we today call Sirkap. It is evident that the murals were admired to be moved to the new city. In the subsequent two hundred odd years the city was rebuilt several times as the various cultural layers show. Each time the murals were safely removed to a new site or they would not have survived three and a half centuries. Finally, in 25 CE Taxila was levelled by a severe earthquake. And when nineteen years later Apollonius arrived, the city was being rebuilt under a Parthian king and the murals had faithfully been reinstalled at the brand new temples. History was not permitted to be tainted.

We do not celebrate Paurava; we name no roads after him and do not teach our children of his lofty character because he shines in our pre-Islamic darkness. But can we today name even one leader possessed of just a shadow of the integrity and character shown by Raja Paurava?

Salman Rashid is a travel writer and knows Pakistan like the back of his hand

Ansar Burney did a very good thing that GoI is going to release 25 Pakistani prisoners (responding to Kashmir's release).

agree

zee, dm

If this man was really a spy (and it seems he was), then Pakistanis totally messed this up.

Very badly handled. I would NEVER want a Pakistani spy to be released like that...

#333 Posted by dost_mittar,

What makes the entire affair extremely suspicious is that this same 'Minister for Human Rights' Burney has been denying that the CJ is under any kind of detention and instead saying he's refusing to vacate the official residence, and has publicly supported the house-arrest of Aitzaz Ahsan.

Does a convicted Indian spy have more human rights than the referred two gentlemen?

This petition is being addressed to president of which country ? Confused.

I was reading just now Tata company of india about take over Juguar and landrover compnay of UK from Ford company.
They said worker will be treated good etc.

What about people who have already brought Juguar and landrover will they be compensated for depreciating their driving machines in this take over ?
Can people go to courts in Britain ?

zee:

In defence of Ansar, he never said that Kashmir was innocent, he obtained his release on humanitarian grounds only.

I personally think that in all such cases the two govts. should, through diplomatic channels, swap imprisoned spies held in their jails.

#330 Posted by akcheema,

Least these idiots should have done was to release this spy in a prisoner swap ... not unilaterally.

I don't understand what political purpose is served!

MALES, ARISE AND AWAKE!

Females are growing up through generations of pampering, and still expecting to be pampered as a ‘higher caste’ even in this day of empowerment, infidelity, and high divorce rates. This 'Womens Day' rose is not all perfume, but is laced with poison meant for you.

Already, we have draconian laws by which females can get their spouses and their families arrested. This, even though females in fact Prefer living alone and getting divorced - as seen in the 70%-female-initiated divorce in ‘no-fault-divorce US states’ - and inspite of CDC findings that domestic violence is EQUAL among both males and females.

And to top it all, the law requires that the male remain ‘indebted’ to her even after divorce, by paying ‘maintenance’! This, is inspite of a 40% and rising, divorce rate - encouraged by feminists who do not like women in the family being treated ‘equally’. While dowry should ideally not be a form of inheritance, minister Renuka has made ‘anti-dowry’ laws, making males easy prey for feminists wanting divorce. Thus at divorce too, females get ‘revenge’ by getting their males arrested and harassing them with unjust and lopsided laws.

These extremist feminists in the guise of demanding ‘equal’ opportunities, seek to destroy equality. Many males do justify their demands due to negative media male-stereotyping. But this sympathy is misplaced and is being misused by feminists. Complacency and inaction can destroy you, your sons and their sons too.

The government is already thinking of bringing legislation to reserve 33% seats for females. For just being a female! Already, they are preferred in jobs. 80% of all newly created jobs in the EU since 2000 AD, were given to females! And in our country, females have higher tax slabs, and even enjoy discounts for Rail travel, though the employment in BPOs is only 37% for males! Just for being female!

Males need to group together now; otherwise they must expect to be run all over by females. What should you do?

Please sign the petition http://www.petitiononline.com/dowry/petition.html

Join male-rights clubs in your neighbourhood

Raise your voice by writing to the media and your politicians, and talk to your other male friends.

Re: # 328

Hi Zeemax,

For once I do agree with you; decent thing would have been to have kept his mouth shut.

There is no doubt the decision was a political one; now it compromises the chances of someone else, who may actually be innocent, in the future.

A spy who was arrested, cout martialled and whose appeals were rejected with a death sentence is forgiven whimsically.
A judiciary that stands up to the constitution is removed and put in habeus corpes.
Alas!! What Justice?
Did it have something to do with our diplomat to Afghanistan?

Kashmir Singh admits to spying!

NEW DELHI, March 7: An Indian who insisted he was not a spy during more than three decades on Pakistan’s death row has admitted he was a secret agent after his return to his home country, a report said on Friday.

Kashmir Singh, 61, was freed by Pakistan after 35 years at the urging of its human rights minister and crossed the border to India on Tuesday, where he was given a hero’s welcome and showered with rose petals.

“I was a spy and did my duty,” admitted Mr Singh, the Press Trust of India news agency reported, adding he was paid about 400 rupees a month for his work.

“I went to serve the country,” he told reporters in Chandigarh.

“Even Pakistan authorities failed to get this information from me,” he said. He criticised the Indian government for failing to help him after he was caught in 1973, the report said.—AFP

This is the thanks the beyghairat gives for getting his sorry ass back ...

Why in the world did they let the B'tard go? He should have been duly hanged for spying!

It's fun anyway to see the shamed face of this dramey baaz Ansar Burney after this stupid excuse of a spy let him down after rejoining his 'love' in bhindiland.

Re: # 325

jayp mian,

.... you are really clutching at straws if you think mad masadi can help you in your jihad against jihadis ....... in his pink mills and boon book there is only one culprit - us elite ... in fact he thinks the us elite is more powerful than al-lah mian and the cow that just peed on your shoes ......

masadi,

Chow is a lot more than tahmed, hamidm and a few like him. We the silent majority need you, here on chowk.

masadi zindabad

hamidm and tahmed moordabad

Re: # 313 masadi saab,

Thank you for stating that so succinctly. I alaway felt that the ilks of tahmed who states that " islam does not allow the killing of innocents" when ever there is a suicide attack is actually supporting the jihadis. He never states that in the islamic tradition kafirs are not innocents and hence genuine jihadi targets.

hamidm: This is not madness. This is dionysian frenzy!! You can only turn green with envy as you watch him rise to greater heights than a loose balloon!!

Re: # 321

venga mian,

..... i really am ashamed of my rather cruel and childish reponse to mad masadi, but i just can't help it - there is something about this moron that brings out the worse in me ....... may the gods forgive me if masadi drowns himelf in the ravi (since the horrible hindoos stole our water only a fool like him can manage to do it)

A few *chowkies'

A few chowkies hatred towards Masadi is pathetic. I see so much glee in the eyes of the tag team.

GT,

Jayalalitha would be drooling over Mayawati. I am awstruck at her gumption. Charlatan bitch, she even speaks about budget.

Re: # 317

Massaddi Mian:

"...I am going places with my ideas, .... "


Of course RehDiwalas go places, while practising capitalism. You can start as a running-dog for a RehDiwala in Gujranwala. Please have rehDiwala post your pictures at Chowk, as you grow or decay - depending upon the path you take.

#317 masadi: What high places are you going with your ideas? the table-top? or even higher all the way to the mantlepiece? or right to the very top of the roof where you will replace the weather-cock with the weather-masadi?

Masadi miaN,

I recommend a break from chowk. These peons can be incredibly enervating!

GT thanks for the support, I am going places with my ideas, and hamid can be dragged along like a mop to pick up the distractive crap his kind put out as propaganda....

g'night

#313 Posted by masadi:

Masadi, Welcome back! Hamid needs to be checked. While you were away he threatened to invade Kashmir.

mohar writes "So who are these 22% people in US who are still "favorable" to pakiland?... "

The ones who have been exposed to my writings, the rest, thanks to censorship of chowk editors and the mainstream press and publishers have an "unfavorable" opinion, but I am working on fixing that.....

hamid writes " next time he pops up his head i am going for a ritual beheading ! "

As I have maintained all along, strip away the propaganda the dollars, and the deodrant and there is little difference between the Taliban and the peons of the West. How can there be when both are less than nothing without their masters, the US elite

#311 Posted by mohar11:

They still don't beat BJP women.

Re: # 310

Nah, that don't make sense... have you seen islamists and pakis with full beard and ankle pajamas, marching down the road yelling "death to satan" ? Nobody is uglier and smellier than these pakis...

#309 Posted by mohar11:

Abe Mohar:

"So who are these 22% people in US who are still "favorable" to pakiland?"

These are the ones who have actually seen, and smelt, a Hinud :)

Re: # 306

So who are these 22% people in US who are still "favorable" to pakiland?...

I mean, we know Stuka is one... DM is another, but he lives in Canuckistan, so that makes sense... :)

Re: # 278 dada
[...Hindoos and honour ???...]

Exactly... but in this case, unfortunately, we did err a bit on the side of the "honor"... see - we sent the army and won the land fair and sqaure, we should have gone in full scale and "integrated" the place, send in all refugees we got from pakiland... to heck with "agreement" or whatever... just like the chinese did in tibet...

instead we disthered, felt guilty about "honor" and stuff and kept the whole thing in limbo for decades... we drank too much kool-aid...

And people like DM are still drinking the same old stale kool-aid... And For some reason, even Stuka dude has started that practice... :)

Once again, all interactors are requested to follow chowk guidelines and show the same courtesy and considerations due to a published chowk author as also to miaN Masadi.

Anything else would make the chowk staff look complete ulloo - for being negligent in punishing those interactors!

Do try to abide by those ever-elusive chowk guidelines! I know - those guidelines are rather fluid and difficult to grasp and as chowk staff has shown by example many, many times - almost impossible to enforce!

prophet tahmed: what's up with this? turns out americans have a favorable view of the hateful indians and an unfavorable view of the "moderate" pakis(who never supported terrorism..never)

Americans’ Most and Least Favored Nations

Altogether, 10 countries rated in the Feb. 11-14, 2008, poll are viewed favorably by a majority of Americans. Following the top four, Israel receives a 71% favorable rating, similar to the 69% for both India and France. About 6 in 10 Americans have a favorable view of Egypt, South Korea, and Mexico.

India:
Favorable: 69%
unfavorable: 22%

Pakistan:
Favorable: 22%
unfavorable: 72%

bjkumar: but not as honorable as Fighter Against the Darth Vader's InterGalactic Empire!!

Re: # 302

How about Jamadar, in Massaddi Mian's personal army?

and Major Hamidm (ISI, Masssadi Section): You had strict orders to NAB Masssadi and send him to the special facility in the North Pole (the one between Superman's Lair and Santa's Toy Shop)!! You have failed your Emperor Musharraf!!

And do not forget...

Being a peon - like being a janitor - is an honorable job!

Re: # 275

Hamidm Sahib:

"...we might press our claim on hyderabad and the red fort too ...... "

I was worried that your first clasims will on Bollywood. I am so disappointed now.

Massssssssssssssadi is back? oh my goodness gracious! oh my!! oh my!! What will we do? Where will we hide?

PS: In my anguish, I betrayed my true identity. I can only hope that masssssadi does not notice the s's. :-(

Hamidm2 and others,

Before you trash miaN Masadi too much, need I remind you that - like HP, he is a published author on this site.

What is your point?

That the chowk editors do not know their job - or are they merely incompetent?

oh no! .... just when you thought it was safe to let the children cruise the internet, mad masadi is back ......

.... chowk staff, i would like you extend his banishment for another forty weeks .... life was good for the last couple of days when we didn't have to listen to crackpot theories about the us elite abducting men from mars and paris hilton being a zionist agent .....

.... i am getting a little tired of playing whack-a-mole .... next time he pops up his head i am going for a ritual beheading !

Re: # 293

Massaddi Mian:

You do not deverve another tile / nick from me.

Please concentrate on your Theory of Nonsense and Elites. One day you might make some sense to yourself. Till then you a lot to understand and increase your knowledge on "reality", basic laws of economics, scientific stdy, communication, grand theory of unification, and absurdity of "self-reference" to apply Godel to Quran.

Puttin pretty pictures from somewhere, putting quotes from some people and your book, does not make your murder of a beautiful mind any less culpable than anyother murder.

Whats wrong in my nic?

Is it wrong to name someone Allah?

I like the name and I think I am as smart as Allah.

Get it people!

#293

And if I were you, miaN Masadi, I won't be too quick to leave HamidM and Tahmed off the list of suspects! Their fascination (perhaps mixed with jealousy) with your interacts is jagat vigyat!

Even that rat, Manto, makes a plausible suspect!

#293 Masadi

Masadi miaN, how do you know that others have not noticed the same fact - that distinctive way to (mis)spell your name - and not tried to mislead you by sending you down the wrong path by copying that style?!

You can never tell. Chowk people are a wily lot, as you are perhaps well aware! These folks rarely miss an opportunity to rile you up - as you know.

shaitan writes "And yeah don't forget to take Massadi with you. Its a long walk..... "

There is one person on this site who spells my nick as Massadi and that is anil. The new nick that he has picked speaks volumes for his alma mater, Harvard Business School...

#289 Posted by GT:

con't ....

Hamid,
And another thing .... the resident general, startegist, business-man of chowk will state .... "I told you so." Now, can you let that happen?

Restpectfully submited.

And yeah don't forget to take Massadi with you. Its a long walk.....

Hamidm:

"however, if the horrible hindoos hold a referendum and the kashmiris want to become part of uzbekistan or poland they will have my support ..... "

There is one more solution to the Kashmir problem. It was initiate by Shriman Arjunm. It is called the Mecca Solution. The way it goes is. All the Kashmiris/non-Kashmiris who are not happy with the "status-quo" can pick their lota and start walking in the direction of Mecca. They are free to settle any place between the Indian border and Mecca and call it Azad Kashmir. I guess it won't work for you as Detroit falls beyond that unless you plan to walk eastwards from Srinagar.

Dear Hamid,

If everything else were to remain the same (ceteris paribus) and if I, GT, could decide on the fate of Kashmir, I would be more than happy to let Kasmiris be free or join Uzbekistan and take their real estate with them.

But things won't remain the same. The Biharis would start killing Muslim Biharis (who I agree wash more often than the Hindu Biharis do, as stated not only by Raj but also by the great Bal - you do not need to know who these guys are). Arjun tip-top, and his types, will let loose his four and five star generals on Hinglish newspapers in India to accurately translate the term "akhand-bharat". Jayalalitha (again you need not know who she or it is) will design the nookhleer sthrategy which will get rid of all Aryans and keep the Dravidians safe, in the process she will get her lover Some-wati elected as the next PM of India. Mayawati will join the Naxals in buying prime property in Srinagar so that they can jointly come to power in Kashmir, no matter what its affiliation is. So you see there are a lot of things that will change.

None of the above changes bother me. What bothers me is that Mohar will disentangle all this chaos, (i) speculate correctly in the Bombay stock exchange; (ii) become a millionaire; (iii) buy chowk from Ginni; and (iv) ban Masadi. This bothers me and I shall never let that happen. So I am willing to kill as many Kashmiris as need be and rape as many as I can given the bhindi (you need not know what this is).

HamidM sahib,

You are putting too much responsibility in the hands of the brave officers of the Pakistani army.

They are a busy folk. In addition to taking care of all those non-military jobs that you mention, they have tonnes of other responsibilities.

For one thing, they are probably busy finding one place after another to hide that Dawood guy! Gone are the days when that mardood could roam freely and breathe the air of freedom in any city of Pakistan, now he probably has to have a burqa on when he comes out of hiding.

Plus, I am also reasonably sure that the best khaki minds are extremely busy trying to figure out how to cut a deal with the civilian leaders and work things out to pull victory out of the jaws of defeat.

Not to mention the immense hours of manual labor those folks must be putting in - trying to hide all that hoarded money - after all, who deserves their just rewards more than those watan-ki-shaans?

And everybody knows, trying to keep hiding the past links and some still active links with those beardos is not an easy job. Just when those hard-working khakis think they are done - out pops some new story - it is like a rerun of the Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction - except it is self-repeating!

So, with all those duties to attend to, indeed it may be a while before they get around to saving the honor of lady-a-Kashmir from the khoosat Hindustani shauhar!

The only problem is....by that time...

Tab tak to Laila ek-dum boodhi ho jayegi!

And somehow, the image of a boodha Majnoo trying to salvage a boodhi Laila just does not excite the same passion!

Kashmir is a highly overrated place!

The amount of money India has spent on that land would have made even a state like Bihar a better place.

But does that mean India will give away it to Pakistan? Hell no. We won't even give them Bhendi Bazaar in Central Mumbai.

But I sympathize with Pakistanis too. Poor souls, they have been crying, fighting, moaning, bemaoning, begging, for a long time now. They even radicalised their population thinking that they would be able to bleed India through a thousand cuts. Hence the recent bombings in Pakistan though tragic are the consequences of its own policies.

So where does Pakistan go from here on its unfulfilled quest to get Kashmir?

Militarily, it is not possible.
Jihad is still a viable option but how will it be able to justify it in Kashmir whereas kill them by dozens in Lal Masjids?
But the "grass eating" Pakistani seems to be a very determined fella. India should not underestimate its zeal and lower its guard.

sri allah: yes, you are very clever.

hamidm #283 You have heard of the Kashmir Line of Control. But you havent heard of the Kashmir Demarcation Line - the one that separates the face of the kashmiri who has just washed his face from the neck (which is left much darker than the face as a result).

PS: just trying to be funny here, btw. no offense meant to any kashmiri folks here.

In continuation of post 282,

Gabbar Hindu: "Bahut zoor hai in haatho mein"
Gabbar Hindu: "Thakur err.. Mullah32 ye haath mujhe day day"

Choudary Mullah32: "Nahin Nahin..."

Gabbar Hindu: HE HA HA....

Re: # 281

tahmed,

.... it is in my blood! .... even though i don't like to talk about kashmir because there is not a whole lot we can do about it (yet), i have not changed my position since day one ..... however, if the horrible hindoos hold a referendum and the kashmiris want to become part of uzbekistan or poland they will have my support .....

.... and you are wrong about kashmiris - they wash much more frequently than biharis and pathans ..... i feel sorry for the poor bastards ...... for years we derided them for being a bunch of lazy louts who put their guns in the sun and waited for them to heat up and go off (tupsi tey thuss karsi!), but then when they finally woke up and decided to do something in '87 we let them down ... it is not fair

tahmed32,

I agree with you. Thanks to Jinnah muslims are "safe" in Pakistan.
Hey but there is no Jinnah in America! Hence the hindus are gonna "get you" here. So run mullah, run.
As fast as possible. The hindus are coming after your ass. ha ha ha

hamidm: need i remind you that because of the cold weather there, the average kashmiri washes even less than the "unwashed masses" (your phrase) of Pakistan. So, why this resentment over kashmir? :-)

anil sahib #192 You wrote I have been lectured by hindutvadis. They lack ability to debate, much like Massaddi Mian...They have been able to roam in India, only because it has not threatened the world as other terror has...There are lot of similarity in their thinking with other fundamentalists. ..I politely asked him (the hindutvadi talking to you) politely if he were born muslim, what would he be like. Believe it or not his answer was Osama Bin Ladin.

This reflects exactly my experience as well, particularly on chowk. The real distinction is not between hindus and muslims or various ethnicities or anything else - but between rational and irrational individuals. The latter try to make up for their inability to debate by using strong language and refusing to acknowledge their own irrational thinking even when it is pointed out to them.

Stuka #240 Thanks for the explanation on what triggered Stage I. Armed with this knowledge, I did a quick google check, and saw this article which corroborates what you said, although it doesnt say mention this Muslim Front specifically.

So, in summary, the Indian government tried to pull Kashmir closer to India, Pakistan tried to pull it closer to Pakistan - and innocent people in Kashmir suffered in the ensuing confusion and violence.

TERRORISM IN JAMMU & KASHMIR
B.RAMAN

Isolated incidents of terrorism related to Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) used to take place even before 1989. However, there was no widespread insurgency till 1989. Allegations of rigging in the elections to the State Assembly held in 1987 and grievances over the alleged gradual erosion of the status granted to the State by Jawaharlal Nehru, India’s first Prime Minister, in the 1950s triggered the widespread insurgency. The preparations for this insurgency started in secret immediately after the elections of 1987. Large groups of Kashmiri youth, which were critical of the Government of India, started clandestinely going to Pakistan for being trained in camps in Pakistani-occupied Kashmir (POK) set up by Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence(ISI)...Initially, the JKLF, which demands independence for the entire J&K, including those parts which are under Pakistani and Chinese occupation, was in the forefront of the insurgency. Alarmed by this, Pakistan, which claims that the entire state should have come to it at the time of the partition of India by the British in 1947, encouraged the Jamaat-e-Islami (JEI) of J&K to form its own militant organization called the Hizbul Mujahideen (HM) to advocate the merger of the State with Pakistan.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:5q8ySvwxKc0J:www.claudearpi.net/mai ntenance/uploaded_pics/TerrrorisminJandK.pdf+muslim+Front+Kashmir+1987&hl=en &ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

DM sahib,

(Both India and Nehru have not proved to be honourable in that regard.)

Hindoos and honour ???

Regards

... where is imran khan waldo ? ......

#242 Posted by harish_hyd on March 6, 2008 8:58:05 pm

Col koolaid has a different standard for muslims...

it doesn't really matter..the kuldip nayyar generation will be kicking the bucket soon..

bjkumar and my other unreverted cousins,

....... i don't want to talk about kashmir because right now we have more immediate (i didn't say bigger) problems ..... but as soon as they are resolved we are coming after it - i almost said inshallah, but i don't think al-lah or amrika can help us, it will have to be done by the army all by itself ....... right now, as we all know, it is occupied with running cement and cereal mills, but as soon as it is freed up we will ask it to do the job it is paid to do - recover our legitimate share of grandpa gopinath's property that has been illegly occupied by greedy relatives ....... and if you guys are not carefulm we might press our claim on hyderabad and the red fort too ......

bjkumar#273:

I might agree with your pov but India made a commitment and honourable men and countries honour their commitment. Both India and Nehru have not proved to be honourable in that regard.

I do not agree that India was weak at that time. Please do some reading of the first hand players at that time, such as Mehar Chand Mahajan, the Dewan of Kashmir or of VP Menon. There was no outside pressure for article 370. It was your "karnadhaar" PM who wanted to have both "punn and phulliyaan" as we say in my native punjabi. He coveted kashmir but also wanted to be known as a democrat in the international arena.

DM-jee,

From my POV, the only wrong done to Kashmir was to leave it alone and not integrating it within the body of India like the rest of India.

It was kept segregated.

Segregation is the root of all evils. It insulates and strengthens racism.

Article 370 should have an expiration date. When it was negotiated, India was a weaker country. That is no more the case. Article 370 is an outdated relic of the past - a noose around Kashmir's neck.

Take it away!

HP miaN,

Stop talking about the Kashmiri bibi - woh to kab ki parayee ho chukee.

You have other headaches. You are already on record that a lot of love-making is going on with the Sindhi bibi now.

And you got a Mullah in the house who yearns for ALL your bibis! And (believe it or not) some of your "women" actually go for that bearded brute!

They go big time! They can not seem to wait for a big bang!

Try to keep your remaining household intact, if you can!

Drooling is futile!

There is also every possibility that pakis do not have a missile deliverable nuclear weapon. Any one can make a bomb to explode in a hole, but to make a weapon that is small enough and can withstand the vibration and g forces of a missile is far more difficult. It needs several tests without the triggers and pakistan which tests the missiles over populated areas has not done so.

The presence of the US forces in pakistan can ensure that when the paki facilities are bombed in a surprise attack they will not know from where it came. further the indian missile defence with the israelis are in an advanced stage.

Ten to 15 years is my time frame, simply unavoidable, seeing teh way pakistan is going. There is absolutely no interest for the pak population in economic progress, it is only islam they are interested in. The latest is from LUMS, the equivalent of the IIMs of india, where they had a taliban stall and the students were in praise of taliban. The jihadic mindset has permeated the core of paki psyche.

It will be an indo US operation, with some risks, which will have to be taken, when compared to a jihadi govt with an islamic bomb.

Jayp,

(do the iraquisation of pakistan )

How? If we invade them ala US invasion of Iraq they will use nukes and both of us wud be roasted.

???

Regards

Defining iraquisation.

Iraquisation is the process of liberation of people held together by a military. An external military power goes in, demolishes the military and with draws. The ethnic groups fight to a finish for dominance. Then the external agents go again and finish of the one taht emerged as dominant.

The americans did not do a good job because of ther belief in democrazy and all that crap. Iraquisation, in its true form can happen in pakistan, with its fragmentation to sindh, punjab and nwfp. Punjab will inherit the name pakistan.

do the iraquisation of pakistan

Jayp,

(India will have to do it)

Do what?

Regards

laddu 258,

There is absolutely no move to change the education system, in fact more madrassas are coming up, and more jihadic strains are mutating.

There is no end in sight, the sequence is jihadic take over, followed by iraquisation. India will have to do it, much to the anger of paki lovers like dost mitter

majumdar

Power breakdown hits millions in Karachi: Unpaid bills make Pepco cut supply.

The outage was not due to any power generation short fall, but disconnection of entire karachi due to some payment dispute between comnpanies.



By Shamim-ur-Rahman and Ahmad Fraz Khan


KARACHI/LAHORE, March 6: Karachi suffered a major power breakdown on Thursday after the National Transmission and Dispatch Company disconnected supplies to the privatised Karachi Electric Supply Corporation over outstanding dues.

The following is from dawn, a letter by Alvi of rawalpindi. The poor chappie should be on the chowk, along with tahmed and YLH telling that ialm is a religion of peace. But unlike the YLH, this man recognises that the verses hhe quotes are never mentioned by the mullah.

Take it from me alavi, the mullahs have spent a life time learning koran, and they know better, they know which is teh essence of islam and you are picking and choosing, often misquoting. That is why you look stupid and no muslim listens to you.

Alvi, be a true muslim, listen to the mullah, and you tahmed, teh advice is for you as well.

Suicide attacks and ulema’s role


ONE wonders why ulema in Pakistan are particularly silent over suicide blasts across the country. No one speaks against it. No one dare say that suicide bombing is ‘haraam’ in Islam, it is against the text of Quran and teachings of the Holy Prophet.

The ulema have in their access the most effective medium of communication – the mosque. They can tell the people that:

(1) Surah Al Maeda, Ayah No. 32, says: “He who kills a human being (whether Muslim or non-Muslim), has killed the whole humanity. He who saves one life, it is but equal to saving the whole humanity.”

(2) In Surah Al Nisaa, Ayah 29, it is clearly said that suicide is ‘haraam’: “Don’t kill yourself, there is no doubt that Allah is Merciful to you.” Committing suicide is equal to interfering in the functions of Allah. It is equal to rejecting the blessings of Allah the man is bestowed with.

/////////////////////////////.

ALYA ALVI
Rawalpindi

What did these generals do which cuased the breakdown?

Regards

259, majumdar,

If you cannot see the absurdity of it, that it is caused by two retired generals because of their stupidity, then so be it. Not even a single report talked about teh stupidity of two men, in fact one CEO stated that if any one can find a better CEO, he will resign.

Re: # 258
Hey, Jay ji,

Jehadism is part of mullah gsardi that is endemic in Pakistan. The K for Kafir and the evil-scheming-hindus are indeed the favourite stereo-types of Paki psyche. These guys are taught through the state sponsored and approved Jehadic courses to hate hindus, jews and other kafirs. I have already splashed one baord with these hate mongering that they do with their young ones from the early school days.
The Pakistanis of the General Zia Generation are now enacting the script that was laid down in their young impressionable age.
This would continue for atleast another 20 years till this generation is wiped out.

Jayp,

Re: 257

So what is the big deal?

There was a similar breakdown in Mumbai for 2-3 days a few years back (grid breakdown). Many parts of India still go without power for 12 hours or more. But we still say India Shining. Why? Becuase of the Hindu, racist, casteist, fascist, misogynist bigoted freak???

Regards

KARACHI: Rs8 million meant for bank looted in Shershah

Pakis are fond of classifying the jihadis, kashmir jihadis, taliban jihadis etc. Here is a new type of jihadis, bank robber jihadis, Pathtic, jihadis are are general purpose killers, and they are simply de-sensitised human through jihadic teachings, and now they are killing for money.

By Tahir Siddiqui


KARACHI, March 6: In yet another daredevil robbery, four armed men looted Rs8 million meant for a bank in Shershah and injured a security guard on Thursday, police and witnesses said.

The robbers struck a day after a gang of 10 criminals walked off with Rs4.5 million from a UBL branch in Defence. Earlier on Feb 8, four masked gunmen stormed into a commercial bank, killed a security guard, and robbed the bank in Ranchore Lane of over Rs1 million. Al Qaeda-linked militant Qasim Toori, who was arrested in February, has been charged with having been involved in a Saudabad bank robbery that left three men, including a police constable, dead.

It is pathetic to see the pakis spending so much time debating the kashmir issue, on a day when the entire karachi was in darkness because WAPDA shut down the supply because karachi electric company did not pay the bills. Then the govt ordered the re-supply and wapda did just that.

No body wants to talk about teh stupidity of the actions. I recall that zeemax telling that military generals are the best managers. The karachi guy is paid 1.2 million rupees a month, a retited general and wapda is also headed by a retired general at 3 million a month.

No paki wants top talk about it, because it is no mentioned by jinnah.

Jinnah only said that kashmir is the jugular vein of pakistan and it cannot be in an enemy country. Every pakistani has imbibed this idea, the yLH to hamdm through the k for kafir education.

It is time that the pakis talk about real issues and simply follow the TNT and its corollary of TNT_islam

Re: # 253

Kaale Khan ji,

I took time from my schedule to atleast pay a visit to see whether the mullah and their arse lickers are back to their evi., ways or not.
Please , do not forget to recite the reverse-kalima atleast 5 times a day when the heads are being banged by your brothers-in-faith.

In #254 read "moronin BS " as "moronic BS"

hamid writes "then i picked a fight with mad masadi and i have him on the ropes - it is only a matter of time before he is completely vanquished ....."

You've never even come close to challenging me on any issue with any substance whatsoever sage (of the sewers). Don't take advantage of my decency to protest Chowk staff hypocrisy of censoring me, using a self imposed ban to lie. We post in two completely different leagues, your posts are fit for the gutter or the brains of monkeys like GWB, mine takes part in the big discourse that will determine the future of our world....hopefully a future without moronin BS like yours. Now let me pass the two days left of my protest in peace...

laddu, welcome back. As hateful as ever? :)

Re: # 234

"Muslims are going through a tough time; for the first time we are being openly questioned about a lot of things we took for granted as "faith". "

The first thing to be questioned is whether muslims can actually believe in Mohammad as a person worth emulating or not?
If muslims start questioning that , then they can safetly turn into human beings than mindless robotic clones of that criminal and rapist.

#249 Posted by harish_hyd

"why should you bother if Indians talk about a part of India?"

I just show my solidarity with Hamidm on this issue :)

Harishbhai,

(there have been at least a few instances when rigging helped overturn the peoples' verdict.)

West Bengal 1972 readily comes to my mind. Then again, post-poll rigging ie defections in Haryana 1983. Defection and forcible dismissal of NTR in AP in 1984. Nothing else that I can readily think of.

But in JK it has been a part and parcel of life since 1953.

Regards

#246 by HP

Why so much unease about an area that is part of India for the last 60 years?

And if you agree that much, why should you bother if Indians talk about a