New US Strategy Needed in Afghanistan and Pakistan

that is Masadi the Proven Liar and Resident Hypocrite. (I like to be precise).

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masadi the hypcorite: buzz off. i am not going to waste my time reading your post.

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#536 Posted by treetop,

What is going on with these DALL EATING spineless hindooos? have they turned into white man all of a sudden?

There's an illustrious interactor on this venerable forum currently of the nom de' guerre 'slyder', but more popularly known as the terror-striking title of Ali_1. I believe he has an answer to your question which, at his last gratefully acknowledged elaboration of his hypotheses tested through his observation, had something to do with with H-1b visas and the urinals at JFK.

Tree:
"Give me the food of a country i will give you their history........What is going on with these DALL EATING spineless hindooos? have they turned into white man all of a sudden? .... where do these hindooos fit in?
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many of the CEOs of multinationals and carl Lewis like athletes are vegetarian some even vigans. adrenaline and apphrodesiacs comes in the way of understanding.

".... where do these hindooos fit in?"

Right on top of Rakshaas corpses. Hindian and Chinese will rule the world not by marauding and pillaging but by being of higher consciousnesss.

Personally I am nonveg because we are Kshrtriya.

Re: # 494: masadi
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It is not the same yardstick, you need to talk to people who know something about demography. The population boom in developing countries in the post colonial world has causes other than "kindness", it has more to do with socio-structural reasons and medical science- no such boom was taking place when Muslim conquests occurred, if populations survived and prospered and grew to outdo the conquerors it means two things i) the conquerors did not eliminate them through genocide ii) The conquerors gave them enough autonomy so that they did blend into the culture of the conquerors in other words no cultural imperialism or conversion by the sword was taking place...
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european colonization has been "Asuric" and Muslim one is Rakshashi at the best but in the long run Pishachya. Asuric is much more subtle, devious and hard to overcome. But Rakshasi is direct and devastating. It uproots and brutalizing....your survival is at stake. Asuric were more concerned about institutionalizing economic exploitation. for that they will do coconatization of indians but your survival as a people is not at stake.

But asuric are much higher in consciousness than rakshas and pishachya. if islamization had not happened to india, it could have faced european colonization. but islamic rule created almost anarchy within india. fatalism, young people taking sanyas (basicaly running away from responsibility started happening. Islam was brutal. our scriptures, books, scientific achievements had to go in hiding. A weird hukka-Pani & Kotha culture took hold.
Shivaji and Shikhs strengthened India's Hindu roots. iF not them India would have become somalia. Indians would have lost their hindoo roots. today india is open to new ideas, science, technology and even social engineering (reservations in education and jobs) and most importantly democracy because of Hindu civilizational roots.

Today we see Asurs are ready evolve into devas. This is what shining/rising India should aspire -leading the world civilization. It's going to happen as even powerful Asuras are feeling threat of these Rakshas & Pishachya.

Note Asura etc terms i am using dont denote race/religion/nationality. They denote marking on the column of consciousness column. Devas are the highest in consciousnes followed by asuras, followed by rakshasas and at the bottom pishachya.

Bottom line Indians survived because of Shivaji, Shikhs, Gurus and Swamis. As a people they were higher in consciouness. They adapted very quickly to new science, management and even warfare of asuras because they were of higher consciouness level.

Ask why jews have more nobel laurates found and run MITs, Fidelity Investments, NYTs compared to palestanans or any other Arabs. Why is it hard for arab to move to large industries? they are stuck at trading.

A better analogy would be a teacher teaches to 50 kids the same thing in a class room. why there are A+s and Fs in the result sheet? each student had his own consciousness level to begin with which put a limit on their understanding.

dharmic eligions had much more spirituality and its followers were of higher consciousness to begin with. compare how Dharma/Dhamma spread all over asia ..bali, java, china or mongolia with how Islam spread even within mideast.

#537

Sanatana dharma aka “hinduism” is a continuos learning process, unlike the “created” type of religions.

#515 ferozk: I was not questioning the merits of Fisk's ideas, merely pointing out that his restatement of what is by now conventional wisdom makes it less than brilliant.
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I think there are two facets to US-Pakistan relations that you need to consider, as follows:

I. Appropriateness of the US response to 9/11

No doubt Bush has been a disastrous presidency. This is true for virtually every front - iraq war, environment, education policy, fiscal policy, pakistan policy, russia policy, israel-palestine policy.

While all of the above is true - it is also true that the US had every legal and moral right to break the terrorist nest in Afghanistan that killed 3000 innocent people in the US. It is human nature to discount the value of human life if it is some distant people involved. However, the sons and daughters and wives and husbands of those so brutally killed were as much victims of Osama ben Laden as anyone else.

Another thing that goes unnoticed in Pakistan is Bush's strong show of support for the muslim community within the US after 9/11 (when he visited mosques to allay fears of a backlash against muslim). And people across the US demonstrated the same.

II. Relevance to Issues facing Pakistan

This narrow focus on US alone detracts from the serious problems facing Pakistan. There are even a few nutcases (of the urstruly and masadi variety) in Pakistan who will see a US conspiracy behind every issue. However, the fact is that in terms of relevance to Pakistan - far more important than the relative diminishment of the US is the impact of increasing "prosperity" in other parts of the world.

Thus: the rise in food and oil prices (the major immediate issue in Pakistan facing the new government) is a direct result not of the decline of the US but of increased world wide demand for foodstuffs. The energy crisis is a result not of the decline of the US but of mismanagement by the Musharraf government (which did not invest in power capacity). Water scarcity is looming as another problem that has nothing to do with US decline.

Thus, we need to view things from the broader global perspective - which admittedly is more complex than painting a single nation as the villain. To not do that is to put the welfare and future of Pakistan in jeopardy.

#536 treetop

Angus Maddison has studied the comparative GDPs of different nations. In 1500 CE , .India was contributing roughly 25% of the world GDP as compared to 20% from present day EU.

It started declining under the Islamic colonial rule…
“middle east” at best is a single commodity “economic power”

Re: # 536
Tree top:

Irrespective of religion,there was always a strugle for world domanition between the west and middle east. Both had their moments of glory and shame,this struggle is ongoing where do these hindooos fit in?

Ans: What glory- How much killing... Jihad/Crusade... the same old Mideaval barbarism....Domination in which field? Art-No, Literature-No, Science-No. Europe have recovered from babarism and prospered...you people are still in dark age....

Re: # 530
Ananth et al....
What is Hinduism? I have seen no such reference in Geeta, Ramayana etc...Who is THE last Prophet in Hinduism? Who son/messanger of God?
Anyhow, Islam is evil cult (24 Carat barbarism). There is no point comparing this mediaval barbarism/mental darkness with Indian civilisation. Islam has created a mess everywhere including in India. I hope, Indians get out of this mess as early as possible. I can not even hope for other countries in this region.

Give me the food of a country i will give you their history........What is going on with these DALL EATING spineless hindooos? have they turned into white man all of a sudden? Irrespective of religion,there was always a strugle for world domanition between the west and middle east. Both had their moments of glory and shame,this struggle is ongoing where do these hindooos fit in?