New US Strategy Needed in Afghanistan and Pakistan

Re: # 637; rf786

No worries mate!

Re: # 635 Zeemax bhai,

I took the story out of a book called "645 outback jokes" written by an Aussie; clearly someone plagiarised and if it is my Aussie friend, I apologise. The moral is not completely lost though!

I have replied on Darrymple's board on mythological characters that might interest you and Eklavya.

This "Atheist-Muslim" thing has a ring to it don't you think? Thanks for being considerate, it is much appreciated!

Major had put constructive thing. May be usa, saudi arabia, Iran these wealthy nations give money to establish some business under international agencies in A.stan. With cheap Afghan manpower and pakistani management and Indian engineering skills and it expertise can become powerhouse for exports to Muslim countries. Just like pakistan it can become transit country for goods and oil products and transmit electric power. It can be even more suitably located as it will have three harbours Chahbahar, Karachi and Big G. ( first wheat carrying ship anchored 15 miles from big G canadaian soft white wheat and then transferred to other ship ). It can become great chemical industry processing center by tapping in oil pipelines oing to big G and Chahbahar.

Re: # 643
Mr. Arjun can you admit people may be getting tired of you your hatred against and jalousy with respect to Romair and this tea Shirt thing too old . Start looking for new stuff.
Go in peace. Good luck

#640 Posted by ferozk on March 21, 2008 7:33:31 am


That is like saying wearing a T-shirt with a Pakistani flag will improve Pakistan's standing in the American public opinion! :)


You must have missed the original quote...I'm sure what you meant was That is like saying wearing a T-shirt with a Pakistani flag will indians, arabs and sri lankans safe in the US..

Re: # 640 Madness for sure but there is vicious lining to madness where pakistani nationals are evaporating in flying guided bombs by pilotless airmachines. Bush is mad and has gone beserk and like angry mad elephant. And western elite from europe encouraging or condoneing missile bombs.

the ilog system, or whatever bugs are in it, have been there before the Emergency, masadi, and have nothing to do with censoring your writings. There have been a lot of problems since the switch to beta. Feroz's ilogs have not appeared here and I do not see him crying about a conspiracy. Even columnists like Nadeem Paracha have had a long wait before some of their articles get published.

I do not know if the previous "managers/editors" of this site are still the editors, but if they are, I know that they encourage all viewpoints -- have you tried sending them a polite inquiry on why your articles are being rejected. It does not hurt to try.

bottom line: this is not about you.

re: tahmed32

Thanks for clarifying your comments, Sirji. :)

Sirji, the appropriateness of the United States' post-September 11 policy is not the issue; what may have been a good policy choice in 2001 does not necessarily mean that it will remain as such in 2008 or even beyond.

I do not see a policy rethink in the United States or the need to reevaluate the results of their policy choices since 2001. The United States is simply reinforcing failure by thinking that it can tinker tailor changes and it will see a different result. What is needed is a complete overhaul of the United States' regional policy for Middle East, Afghanistan and Pakistan and for that, the United States needs to address the political dimension of question.

A policy success for the United States will only happen if the United States knows what it wants in the region, but if it has no policy other than to kill Muslims and keep occupying their lands, then it is headed into one of the most sigificant disasters of its modern political history.

Bush going to a mosque is of an immaterial consequence in the larger scheme of things. :)

That is like saying wearing a T-shirt with a Pakistani flag will improve Pakistan's standing in the American public opinion! :)

Gimmicks! Gimmicks do not make sound policies and policies made on the basis of gimmicks are simply a subsitute for a lack of a viable policy! :)

One of my favorite definations of madness is that you keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

Presently, the United States policy for the region is a defination of madness, as explained above and unless the United States alters its policy, it will not see a different result.

If the result is to win this GWOT, then there needs to be a better, more thought-out approach to the problem. :)

Ciao

re: zeemaz

As to your question, I do see the "connection". My disagreement with Fisk is that though there is a linkage between western influence/occupation of Muslim lands and the Muslim resistence to it, I do not agree with Fisk that western powers vacating Muslim lands will end the "terror".

The problem is one of compatibility. The Muslim world has to exist within the existing international system and it cannot exist outside of it. The Muslim world view is not the dominant view in the present international system and this view has a niche in the system, but will not be allowed to dominate the system. The Muslim political opinion, as manifested by the actions of groups normally associated with the ideology of Al Qaeda - Islamic militancy - wish to create a parallel system and as things are, the present domiant international system will not tolerate that eventuality.

In a sense, the present international sytem is based on the Brettonwoods agreement and though it has been modified since the late 1940s, the it still retains its core characteristics, which is basically the monoploy of the global financial institutions by the United States. The United States had replaced the European colonial powers as the global hegemon after the Second World War and since then, even thoughout the Cold War, its policies have been designed to make sure that the status quo of the post-1945 world it inheirated from the European powers continues unchanged in the favor of the United States.

Therefore, even if the United States and the western powers leave Muslim lands, there is no gurantee that the Muslims will wish to exist within the Brettonwood system. Now, we are presently engaged in a global power struggle to redraw the global balance of power, which was in fact made necessary with the demise of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War and the emergence of China and India as the two main contenders for influence in the new global balance of power in the post Pax Americana period.

The United States, according to many analysts, has reached a stage of "imperial over-reach" and is now in decline, both politically and militarily. The American imperialism is made possible courtsey of a deficit economy but how long that economy is supported by external powers, remains to be seen. The present financial crisis is a herald of this and the most likely beneficaries will be India and China, followed by Japan and Russia and the European Union and between them, they will adjudicate a new balance of power.

The United States, will be accomodated in this new balance of power, which will see the revivial of multipolarity in the affairs of the world and the United States, given its debt obligations to its external creditors, will be forced to accept a diminished role.

In any case, should such a new international balance of power emerge, it will not be willing to accomodate the Islamic view point. Simply, because the Islamic view point in the international affairs seeks the end of the present system and its replacement by a sharia inspired system, which is not acceptable to the non-Muslim states of the world.

Hence, non-Muslim powers leaving Muslim lands is no longer an option and even if they, there is no gurantee that it will end the terror as Fisk hopes and which is why, I disagreed with Robert Fisk.

Ciao

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Re: # 634

akcheema

Please accept my gratitude for such a beautiful story. May the force be with you.

#626 Posted by pavocavalry on March 20, 2008 11:17:58 pm

well..if that's the case, then things are going swimmingly...

then why does the US need a new strategy when, as you point out, business is quite booming..

p.s. the fact that you're in afghanistan doesn't change the fact that your idea of the textile zone thing is completely unrealistic and unworkable.

#634 Posted by akcheema,

Dear murtid bhai ... oops ... Dear aesthetic-atheistic-Muslim bhai, this joke was making the round a week ago (with some other animals substituted of-course) and I even made and one of my own variations substituting murtids for your dingos and the hindoos for your monkey!

But, how did you come to think of dingos and monkeys from Iqbal's sheyr of Qalandar and the raging river narrated in # 628 which you refer to in this response?

Re: # 628; Zee Bhai

Since you are so intrigued by the outback dingo, here is something I thought you might enjoy:

A wealthy Australian man decided to go on a safari in Africa. He took his faithful pet Dingo along for company.

One day, the Dingo starts chasing butterflies and before long he discovers that he is lost.

Wandering about, he notices a leopard heading rapidly in his direction with the obvious intention of having lunch. The dingo thinks, "Geez, I'm in deep poop now!" Then he noticed some bones on the ground close by, and immediately settles down to chew on the bones with his back to the approaching cat.

Just as the leopard is about to leap, the dingo exclaims loudly, "Bugger me dead, that was one delicious leopard. I wonder if there are any more around here?"

Hearing this, the leopard halts his attack in mid stride, as a look of terror comes over him, and slinks away into the trees. "Whew," says the leopard. "That was close. That dingo nearly had me."

Meanwhile, a monkey who had been watching the whole scene from a nearby tree figures he can put this knowledge to good use and trade it for protection from the leopard. So, off he goes. But the dingo sees him heading after the leopard with great speed, and figures that something must be up.

The monkey soon catches up with the leopard, spills the beans and strikes a deal for himself with the leopard. The leopard is furious at being made a fool of and says, "Here monkey, hop on my back and see what's going to happen to that conniving Aussie canine."

Now the dingo sees the leopard coming with the monkey on his back, and thinks, " Struth, what am I going to do now?" But instead of running, the dog sits down with his back to his attackers, pretending he hasn't seen them yet.. and just when they get close enough to hear, the dingo says, "Where the bloody hell's that monkey? I sent him off half an hour ago to bring me another leopard."

MORAL: SOMETIMES IF YOU CANT DAZZLE THEM WITH BRILLIANCE THEN BAFFLE THEM WITH BULLSHIT!

Massaddi Mian:

One simple question, is this your lecture to your students?

Re: # 623

Massaddi Mian:

My post on entrepreneurial energy and what is primary product and non-primary product is beyond you. Your recent gibberish includes:

entrepreneurial skills,
primary product sector,
price fluctuations,
bribe or consumption or runaway population,
primary product producing country gets an entrepreneur, (as if entrepreneur is some God)
some idea to develop some indigenous industry,
you damn fool,
unless protection is applied,
off the ground,
cheap imports,
more than brains,
skills at manipulation (as is skills are in the brain),
skills that will convince the elite,
nothing too evolutionary about it,
big dogs easting the small dogs BS,
get off my goddammed case,
you retard.

Honestly, Massaddi Mian, are sure you were summa cum laude donkey among the donkeys?

Please confess. All the above in the name of entrepreneurial energy and primary product.

Poor students of yours.

I thought your ignorance was bigger than your ego. It seems like your ignorance and ego compete in your mind to become bigger than the other. You mind can blow up.