New US Strategy Needed in Afghanistan and Pakistan

Re: # 693
Masadi:
British force of couple of hundreds have defeated Indians with their discipline and better military organisation. British had come to India for trade. It was not entire British army/navy attacked India. So, comparing the military strength of EIC to that of Indian states, is not proper.
Regarding unity, it was the main reason, barbaric moslems entered India. India had at least better technology than that of moslems. The dirty tricks used by the moslems (fighting at night, after being defeated several times, poisoning kings horses,elephants...).Prithviraj had to face the worst type of sabotage from his uncle.
Regarding Tipu, he was a foot soldier to Royals of Mysore and captured power due to internal problem of Royals ( Woodyars). He was kind of bandit fighting with small segment of British traders-cum-soldiers. There is nothing glorifying about it. Throughout India, there was administrative crisis; so was civilisational ( no notable throughput in any area of civilisation -art,science,literature...). On the contrary Europe, particluarly Britain was deveoping in very fast pace in almost all fields (Newton, Shakespeare, James Watt...). They were ahead of India in alomst all segments (Ruling 1/3 of the world is not mean task). The qualitative boost India have received in the field of Education, Health Care, Public Works..., is still the benchmark of any civil society.
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Indians and Chinese were not poor. Indian history have never says anything called famine (food shortage),poverty etc... That is the reason, Indians never invaded any country or looted. So are chinese people.
Like any civilised society , Indian society was very much fragmented based on their profession (caste).This is called specialisation. So, Kshatriyas were only trained to defend a kingdom. Others (goldsmiths, blacksmiths, potters...) had stayed away from the political/administrative/military affair of the state. Sivaji was the first person in Indian society to break that barrier (It is like Israel. Everybody have to serve military).
Enlightement!!!
More than 2000 years ago, people of this land used to perform cataract surgery,treat internal haemorriage, used the concept of local anathesia (not the level of modern medicine) for surgery and were aware of human physioloy with knowledge of role of blood and nerves in human body.

More than 1000 years ago, people of this land invented quadratic equation and other non-linear equation...

More that 2000 years ago, people of this land invented language theory and a balanced language like Sanskrit (you don't need any meta character or numeric symbols to study mathematics)...
The list is almost endless...After 13th/14th century, with advent of Islam in India, mediaval darkness spread....

To Mr. AKCHEEMA...
Ans: Whatever you specifed are basically collection from other countries. Before the discovery of sea route between India/China and Europe, Middle East was used as trading junction. They have immensely benifitted from this people to people contact with India/China and were able to learn couple of stuffs.

wrong masadi..Indians weren't at par..tipu sultan was. Indians and chinese weren't rich before the british...the rulers were. Indians still shat by the streams, railroad tracks of yore. Indians were much much poor than a cave dweller in the west a the advent of enlightenment.

venga... writes " With the newly found technology they could have easily out manufactured us."

What would have been is a matter of speculation. The Indians were at par with the British in the major "industry" of the time, in warfare technology as I have pointed out earlier, in rockets the army of haider ali and tipu ransacked the British. What they were lacking in was unity and common solidarity due to the autonomous nature of the rule- if cave dwellers who couldn't handle their sewage could give birth to the industrial revolution so could much more enlightend folk from India and China- they did not because the British played dirty using the peons of the West because they considered you like cockroaches regardless of how much you worship them.....

Re: # 691 Lala 'nkg' ji,

try this link to youtube; I promise you'd enjoy it.

"Naheen to paisay waapus"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn5QNAwAySg

Re: # 688
Knowledge doesn't flow unidirectionally...I give up...

Ans: May not be always, but sometimes....The way knowledge nows flows from West to East....

Re: # 683
The state of education was totally in samblance (in India) during islamic rule. Whatever Mr. A K Cheema is claiming, Indians have not learned from moslems...

Re: # 683
The state of education was totally in samblance (in India) during islamic rule. Whatever Mr. A K Cheema is claiming, Indians have not learned from moslems...

Re: # 686

nkg,

Knowledge doesn't flow unidirectionally...I give up...

Re: # 686; nkg

Lalaji! have you ever seen the British TV programme "Goodness Gracious Me"?

There is a "Indian father" character in it; you have to watch this to appreciate what I am talking about!

You sound just like that character!

may be you can find it on youtube or something.

(don't worry it is not offensive; well not to me anyway)

Re: # 685
Basic tenet of all these is from India. Beejaganit ( Alzebra), evolution ( meen, kurma, baraha, nrisingha....)...are from India....

P.S. to No 684:

Approximately 1,000 years before the British naturalist Charles Darwin published his theory of evolution, a scientist working in Baghdad was thinking along similar lines.

For 700 years, the international language of science was Arabic

In the Book of Animals, abu Uthman al-Jahith (781-869), an intellectual of East African descent, was the first to speculate on the influence of the environment on species. He wrote: “Animals engage in a struggle for existence; for resources, to avoid being eaten and to breed. Environmental factors influence organisms to develop new characteristics to ensure survival, thus transforming into new species. Animals that survive to breed can pass on their successful characteristics to offspring.”

There is no doubt that it qualifies as a theory of natural selection!

Re: # 682

There has been significant contribution to the sciences (including the theory of evolution itself!), arts, philosophy etc by Muslims in earlier times. I, for one, am very proud of that part of my heritage.

That was a time when Greek philosophies were not just incorporated into Muslim thought but also found to be quite compatible.

Some examples are:

Incoherence of the Philosophers (Ghazzali)
Incoherence of Incoherence (Ibn Rushd; known in Latin as Averroes)
Canon of Medicine (Al-Qanun fit-Tib) by Abu Ali Sina (Avecenna) which was the official textbook of medicine in western Europe (Italy and England and others) well into the 17th century.
Several books by Al-Razi (Rhazes to the Latins)
Jabir bin Hayan (Algebra, Alchemy - Chemistry)
Al-Khwarizimi (Algorithm)

The list is too long to mention here.

Re: # 682

nkg,

Its only a google click away.

Re: # 681
What section of science we have learned from moslems? Please be specific...

Re: # 680
nkg...you know Muslims' contribution to art and science...then why do you want to deny that?

Ans: This is fact....
The pathetic state of cow belt is proof of it. Ujjain is birthplace of mathematics. They have enhanced mathematics upto the level of concept of infinity,quadratic equation, all type of geometry, what is available today...Suddenly that dried up after 13/14th century...So, is the state of literature (sanskrit)...So, is the state of Ayurveda (skin grafting, treatment of internal haemorrage, operation of cataract and harnea...how the knowledge vanished? Most of the web-sites of Ayurveda points finger to islamic invastion...What have India gained? Architecture? Indian temple's are structurally more complicated than any architecture available today...See the temple of Puri, Konark, Madurai...I don't see any value addition in the copies of Hagia Sophia (most of the mosques are built as replica of it)...

Re: # 679

"Our GDP was not bigger, share was bigger."

True...I thought why expend energy on completing that :).


"Muslims were undeveloped/inferior to Indians."

Its a sweeping statement. Thats not true. Are you equating Indians to the Total Population - Muslims?

nkg...you know Muslims' contribution to art and science...then why do you want to deny that?