New US Strategy Needed in Afghanistan and Pakistan

Re: # 11
Through independent analysis of some 'soiled' sons-of-the-soil, I am arriving at the same conclusion...

Peace.

Re: # 12

Majumdar, exactly WHO are you? Are you muslim, hindu, Indian or Pakistani? You seem to pretend to be one or the other, depending on what suits the moment; if I am not mistaken, very similar to someone called Eklavya the Chakerbaaz here!

I don't have time for a detailed answer but here is the Pakistani perspective. Have you ever lived there? All this has been happening for a long time before the gwot etc. The caretaker of Khana Farhang Iran in Lahore (Sadiq Ganji) was killed, I think in early 1990s, by Sipaah-e-sihaaba; there was no direct american presence at the time, although the conspiracist on this panel will have you believe otherwise. In Lahore we used to here about "bum dhamakas" all over the place; that seems to be the only argument the jihadists have ever had! Rather than blaming "RAW/MOSSAD/CIA" or whoever, has anyone ever looked in OUR OWN midst?

I was one of these Jihadis myself, it may surprise you. Despite having very little "belief" in anything, my family have been deeply involved with the Jamaat-e-Islami, my father being a "Rukan". I was a "Rafique" of Islami Jamiat-e-talaba and this close from Afghanistan during the fight against the Soviets. Many a trips to Mansoora, with teachings of the great Maududi of Ichhra and his Egyptian mates Syed Qutb/Hasan-ul-Banna discussed day and night; many audiences with the likes of Khurram Murad, Professor Khurshid (from Leicester, UK), Mian Tufail and subsequently Qazi Hussain Ahmed. So please don't tell me I know nothing on the subject; same for you Zeemax.

The teachings of these guys has always been to make Islam the "Deen-e-Ghalib" in the world. The current affairs, if anything, are a distraction off the main theme.

I know exactly what the Jihadi mentality is because I was one myself!

Re: # 16

Is that all you can say?! Clearly nothing with substance like all your other mates here.

I will one day read your article but what offended me was an embedded advertisement that displays a woman with her right hand over her left breast claiming, 'Live and work in the U.S.'

If we all did THAT, who will deal with things over HERE? The billions in foreign investment have ruined, but never saved nations.

Peace.

Re: # 19
Yes that is ALL I can say because THIS is what I must say. One day you will see the substance in the capital 'M'. Alas, the teachers let you spell away muslim as you pleased...

What other mates? Have you ever heard of a lion hunting with a pack of wolves?

Over and out.

Cheema sahib,

(Majumdar, exactly WHO are you? )

I am a Bengali, Hindoo, an Indian citizen and resident of India if that is of any interest to you. I have never pretended to be otherwise.

(very similar to someone called Eklavya)

I am certainly very flattered to be compared to Kaal bhai, although whether he will be similarly pleased I dunno.

I am sure you know more about the history of Pakistan and its evolution than I do. But what you have missed is the fact that the jihadisation of Pak soceity was brought about by the feudal elite themselves (people like Mamdot and later ZAB) and the military rulers. And from 1970s connived at by USA which had its own use for jihad in A'stan. Surely you wud remember that Reagan had called Jalaluddin Haqqani as A'stan's equivalent of their Founding Father.

The current mess wud never have happened had the founders of Pak post MAJ (pbuh) run Pakistan as a proper democracy. Thus the mess is of military/feudal elites misdeeds not those of people like Zee sahib.

Regards

Re: # 18
For this profile I must thank you!

What's ruinous in trying to enforce 'deen-e-ghalib' globally is that the required work has not been done and which may appear pleasingly visible to the rest of the world. It's like doing an autopsy on a body that does not exist!

Peace.
PS: forget the sermons, do what needs to be done, read a decent translation, and treat the patients well.

#22 Posted by majumdar,

Reagan had called Jalaluddin Haqqani as A'stan's equivalent of their Founding Father.

Correction, Majumdar Saheb. Reagan had called Jalaluddin Haqqani (and others in that delegation) "The moral equivalent of our founding fathers". The 'our' meaning the 'Americans', not Afghans!

#18 Posted by akcheema

I was a "Rafique" of Islami Jamiat-e-talaba ... I was one of these Jihadis myself ...

akcheema Saheb, you are curiously either a schizophrenic or simply in the habit of fibbing a lot. It's got to be one of the two.

Not too long ago, in fact just a few days ago (when you had promised to leave till May but then didn't), you had said you have been a non-believer since you were 12 or 14 years old or something like that. Now how come you were a "Rafique" of Islami Jamiat-e-talaba while being a murtid at the same time?

Re: # 24

Thanks for the clarification. I suppose that's allright then. If Reagan said something, it must be true.

I am just having a flashback here, may be somewhere I saw video footages of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussain; must be some "maslihat"; why do we insist on picking and choosing the past "statements" of gora leaders (esp Americans) to justify OUR OWN arguments, I wonder. Or do we now believe in everything else Reagan said and did as well?

Re: # 25

I am away from home, not dead Zeemax. Amir-ul-momineen made sure there were no platforms (such as Student's Union etc) available for student politics. DSF/NSF etc alongwith PSF were classed as "Surkhas" and a big no no for most.

Just not having belief doesn't stop one wondering and wanting to do something about the injustices around them.

If you don't believe what I said, please feel free to check the record. Zubair Khan Babar was our Nazim at King Edward Medical College who was killed in a cross fire with the party belonging to someone else, who is still alive. A bunch of people, in my group, had to leave for, shall we say, overseas for various reasons at the time..... do you really want me to go on?.......

Zee sahib,

Oops, I meant American when I said "their". I wonder if Mr. Reagan remembers that any more!!!

Btw why can't a person be a rafique and a murtid at the same time???

Regards

Re: # 27

P.S.: I don't think I'd be discussing this anymore unless someone specifically wants to....water under the bridge eh...

Re: 28 Majumdar):

When one is young, we all make mistakes. All my family, as I said, are "Jamaatis"; my brother and father both active and no less vocal than a lot of people here. It was almost like continuing the tradition to a point....but no more....
btw, Zee has every right to question the validity of such statement.... I was expecting this question...that should suffice for now I reckon...

Cheema sahib,

Re: 28

Whatever your beliefs you have an absolute right upon them. And you shud be free to change them if you are convinced that you need to change your belief.

Regards

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as a rule I am not interested in interacting with some people who are just trying to pull everyone's leg.

companies from Korea,Lebanon,UAE,USA,all parts of Europe,Central Asia have come to do business in Afghanistan.If the USA could have set up a textile free zone with buy back guarantees and quota free export to USA in Jalalabad,Torkham near Pakistan many hundreds of Indian Pakistani and Chinese industrialists would have rushed to establish units.Textile labour can be trained in a few months.Already many thousands Afghans are working in Pakistan in textile sector and would be glad to work in their own country.There is no shortage of labour.Similar industrial free zones could have been set up in Mazar,Hairatan and Herat near raw material sources of cotton.Already Herat is having a booming industry but no special zone.Electricity is guaranteed in Herat 24 hours.So is the case in Mazar.

About strategy I expect to interact with some one who has burnt his midnight oil and knows what he is talking about.