New US Strategy Needed in Afghanistan and Pakistan

further the conclusion that should be drawn from what I have said is that the USA has not come win hearts and minds absolute nonsense,if some peanut brain thinks that then he is wasting his time and my time.yes the Russians when it was USSR did set up many industries which went a far away in creating employment.

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Masadi sahib,

So why is USA interested in occupying A'stan and Pakistan whereas its economic interets lie in occupying Iraq and its oil? Can it simply not declare a victory in A'stan and walk out?

Regards

Re: # 32

What you have highlighted in your article makes sense to me. Everyone in the world would want what is best for their part of the world. Unfortunately in the Muslim world, it is not always achievable. We are just too suspiscious and regard everything coming our way as a "conspiracy" by someone. That is the point I was trying to make before before getting side-tracked.

Same with Americans in Iraq; so what if they are there for oil. It is for the Iraqis to form some sort of give and take partnership with them to achieve what is best for THEIR countries. A distraction from that and trying to blame "conspiracy" for every little "difficulty" we might have doesn't get us anywhere.

I think both Afghanistan and Iraq should individually decide (and independent of their "Maamay" in the rest of the muslim world) what is best for their own countries. Unfortunately there has been too much interference from everyone. Too many people just taking the easy route of blaming it on some "conspiracy".

The Palestinians are a living proof of this tragic way of thinking. There are a handful of individuals (in the greater scheme of things) that could have been sorted out long ago; the interference from everywhere has been responsible for the mess they are in; and the muslim world has its own share of blame in this. The Saudis, rather than providing them with useful and positive ways of achieving their political objectives, have both overtly and covertly provided them with "martyr-widow-pensions concept" to carry out suicide bombings. I mean the Pakistanis have not even made any serious attempt to get the few thousand Biharis from Bangladesh! It is astounding when such countries want to be "the nishan-e-manzil" for the rest of the muslim world. These delusions of grandeur have to be kept under control of one's higher senses to have fruitful discussions about anything.

#27 Posted by akcheema,

No I don't want you to go on about your life story ... I just want to know how come you were a murtid and a member of the IJT at the same time ...!

Now don't gimme that about "Just not having belief doesn't stop one wondering and wanting to do something about the injustices around them." If you wanted to be a do-gooder why didn't you join the boy scouts instead of IJT?

#32 Posted by pavocavalry on March 16, 2008 11:22:58 pm


companies from Korea,Lebanon,UAE,USA,all parts of Europe,Central Asia have come to do business in Afghanistan.If the USA could have set up a textile free zone with buy back guarantees and quota free export to USA in Jalalabad,Torkham near Pakistan many hundreds of Indian Pakistani and Chinese industrialists would have rushed to establish units.Textile labour can be trained in a few months.Already many thousands Afghans are working in Pakistan in textile sector and would be glad to work in their own country.There is no shortage of labour.Similar industrial free zones could have been set up in Mazar,Hairatan and Herat near raw material sources of cotton.Already Herat is having a booming industry but no special zone.Electricity is guaranteed in Herat 24 hours.So is the case in Mazar.


you know nothing about business..you should stick to topics that are your forte..

first of all, the margins in the textile business are very thin...think walmart..secondly, a textile unit in afghanistan would have a security premium whether the US backed it or not. thirdly, efficiencies of scale means a "textile free zone" in afghanistan still can't compete with a major player in china or india....then there's the whole business of having to transport the products through pakiland...

and lastly, only a fool would invest money in a country that hasn't been stabilized...

Re: # 37

my only explanation has already been given; perhaps it was the same sense of tribalistic loyalty mentality that all of us possess in Pakistan.

Zee, you are something! I have put many challenges/question for you; you haven't been able to answer a single one satisfactorily; then you have the audacity to turn around arguments and give yourself a sense of victory. If that helps your meglomaniacal self, fine with me. I hold the view that you are a complete idiot but that is just my humble opinion.

Its all word games with you isn't it?; "pride without substance" as I keep saying.

Thank you and now the coast is clear for you to make any personal remarks about my "Irtad" or anything else of your choosing. I really have to do some work.

#36 Posted by akcheema on March 16, 2008 11:45:22 pm


I think both Afghanistan and Iraq should individually decide (and independent of their "Maamay" in the rest of the muslim world) what is best for their own countries. Unfortunately there has been too much interference from everyone. Too many people just taking the easy route of blaming it on some "conspiracy".


nau sau chuhe kha ke billi haj ko gayi...

why didn't this wisdom dawn on you when you created the taliban and supported their takeover of afghanistan for your sstrategic depth wet dreams..remember...some of us were around before 9/11 and have memories like elephants..we remember the days before 9/11 when geographically challenged pakis had delusions of their geostrategic importance and thought they were the bees knees because they were the gateway to central asia..hardly any paki was against the paki interference in afghanistan...

after 9/11 you all are suddenly live-and-let-live types now? maybe this has something to do with the predators and the civil war that's raging in the land of the pure..a civil war brought about by the bomb-ya-to-stone-age phone call tht made you voluntarily give up your support for the jihad..

#30 Posted by majumdar re Cheema sahib,

Whatever your beliefs you have an absolute right upon them. And you shud be free to change them if you are convinced that you need to change your belief.

look, this is how the discussion went:

Zeemax: You're a murtid.

Cheema: No I'm not!

Zeemax: How come you're not?

Cheema: Because one's a murtid if one stops believing, but I've never been believer in the first place and have been non-believer since I was 12/14 years old etc.

Interval...

Cheema: I know more than you because I was a Jihadi and a member of Islami Jamiat Tulba.

Zeemax: Huh? How can you be both a murtid and a jihadi/IJT member?

Cheema: Because other student Unions had a bad reputation and joining them was a no-no ... and I wanted to fight injustice. But don't want to talk about the past ... etc etc.

Zeemax: Huh? Huh? Why not boy scouts instead of IJT?


********Zeemax rolling on the floor******

maybe the great geostrategic thinkers(yup..zeemax) should help the pakistani government with their thinking...

I posted this last year..talks don't seem to have worked, judging by the number of hellfires..

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/july-2007/23/index14.php

Pak top brass talks with US to avert attacks

Shaiq Hussain
ISLAMABAD - In the backdrop of fierce clashes between the army, paramilitary forces and militants in North Waziristan, Pakistan’s top security brass is engaged in intense negotiations with senior officials in Washington to avert possible US attacks on the restive tribal belt.
Strong indications from the US capital suggest growing restlessness among the security cadres over the surge in violence in Pakistan’s tribal belt and the alleged regrouping of Al-Qaeda and Taliban there.
The diplomatic circles here believe that the Bush administration was under increased pressure to mount assaults against the Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants in Waziristan from Afghanistan.
They said that in such a worrisome scenario, Pakistan was all out in its contacts with the top officials in Bush administration to avert possible military action from the US led allied forces on its soil fearing it would lead to catastrophic repercussions.

Zee sahib,

Re: 41

I dont know Cheema sahib's beliefs but I can explain the paradox in two ways.

1.

Cheema sahib was never a believer but he joined the IJT just to infiltrate it for outside agencies sake or his own curiosity or becuase he wanted to use IJT's network for his own cause. Later he came out of the IJT. So he was both an IJT member and never being a beleiver not be a murtid either.

2.

Cheema sahib may have joined the IJT before he was 12-14 years of age. And then left IJT and has never been a believer since then.

Regards

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#44 Zeemax

Palestine, Iraq, A’stan…. You talk about persieved injustices done to muslims by non-muslims…. Have you ever thought about the injustices done by islam to non –arabs… and non-mislims ? … then you will know why non- muslims have issues with islam / arabs?

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