New US Strategy Needed in Afghanistan and Pakistan

Re: # 77

But Zeemax Mian,

Before you start another chutyapa, answer my question viz is plain and simple, and thats is how have you taken decision on my behalf whether I beleive in 2-3 or not, and in turn labelled me murtid.

Now second question is related to first one and is that how come right or wrong assessment of a regional problem can make anyone murtid or muslims. Is your islam hanging on the thread of how you assess the situation in Afghanistan?

#80 Posted by tahmed32,

I referred to the quote of a Christian, and a leper. I'm waiting for your answer and not counter-questions in your quest for obfuscation.

#81 Posted by krbhatti,

Afghanistan is vital to the overall interests of Muslims everywhere. Hope that answers your question.

Why should US leave? If financially war is supported by the Chinese and Indian surplus, they only have to print more greenback. Pakis are willing to do in the name of Allah on both sides. By being in Afghanistan Pakis are on toes and are not developing more WMDs. By being in the neigborhood you keep a watch on existing WMDs and when time comes grab them.

Paki fools are not aware that Ameriki policeman is sent by Chinese and Indians. Europeans are also in it by keeping token presence. Moreover who are us soldiers? many are illigal hispanic workinfg for getting greencard and citizenship. Americans have nothing to loose. They have won the war before entering in it. Paki darbai gandus also want this not ending because then they can subcontracts to bomb their own people. For these people no one is their people? They will sell there own mothers. People of very low consciousness level.

Bottom line whole world wants World's sole policeman to be in Afghanistan to save world from its eastern neighbor PakiTerroristan. You need to be punished for what you have been doing since 78, first in Punjab, then in Kashmir and finally Kargil. Hope jihadis and amerikis focus on the Punjabi elite and not innocent abduls.

Now most of the Pashtuns or Afghans have no experience of building institution. For last thirty years the big institutions they saw were private armies of warlords. Historically all the ealth they could generate was by looting and plundering. Whatever craftsman you see among them are probably progeny of slaves they brought from India.
Islam has destroyed cultures wherever it went, so Afghanistan was destroyed when Islam reached to its shore.

Afghans should not fall to Paki propaganda and let India help them develop. Let there be reservations for them in IITs and IIMs or better special coaching to get in. At least India should do that much in the memory of Ahmad Shah Masood.

I see parallels between the Afghan war and the war in Indochina which began in Vietnam but grew to engulf the entire region including Cambodia and Laos. In Indochina, the US became frustrated with the lack of progress against the Viet Cong and blamed the existence of Viet Cong sanctuaries in the neighboring countries. This was followed by the US invasion of both Laos and Cambodia, resulting in more than a million deaths in carpet bombings that followed. A similar situation is developing in Afghanistan, if you substitute the Viet Cong by the Taleban. The growing US frustration against the Taleban is creating a dangerous escalation with the US mounting more and more cross-border attacks into the tribal region of Pakistan.
Please see my blog for more on this: http://www.riazhaq.com/2008/03/afghan-war-is-it-dangerously-escalating.html
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

zeemax #82 there is a thin line between being clever and being stupid and hypocritical. dont try to be too clever with me. you accused me holding opinions i wont be able to answer to - and are unable to present any such opinion that i presented from the thousands of posts i have written!!

majumdar writes "should things get hot, USA wud not think much before decamping."

Where are you reading that, things are supposed to get "hot", the US is not in this area to cool things down that is not in their long term interest, heating things up is the motive behind the US in this area, that said "green zones" are relatively safe especially when on the job training is being provided to the indigeneous fodder with an apparently inexhaustible supply...

Re: # 83

Zeemax Mian,

I raised a simple question as to the objectives in my original post without taking any position. You came out to answer it out of your EGO, though it was not addressed to you. Further, you labelled me MURTID on the assumption that I don't subscribe to your position. Now I don't have any problem if you call me murtid because now when I have come to realize your peanut size brain, i don't have any issue.

BTW In my opinion, yes US presence in Afghanistan is due to all the factors that I mentioned. Remember, before 9/11 US was desperate to get a foothold in Afghanistan, and at the time of 9/11 US state department was entertaining taliban officials....

Zee writes "Bush is on record saying why he doesn't sign the Kyoto protocol because the american lifestyle is not up for negotiation.."

It is not the lifestyle of the common American that the US elite are worried about, it is their own lifestyle, power and profits. Everytime an American manufacturing concern shuts on the homefront to open up in China or India or some other "Third World" country, the lifestyle of the common American comes "up for negotiation", yet their elite do not worry as long as they make the profits in this transaction. Why war is sought by the US elite is for the same reason, it is not to maintain the standard of living of the common American which has been going down decade after decade as they lose wealth and get buried in debt, it is their profits and their hold on to power that these elite are worried about, and for that purpose they scapegoat the American people. The sooner the Pakistanis and other folk from the developing nations understand this the better, if I had a dollar for everytime someone from our parts of the world said, "The Americans do it for their own nation and people", I'd be a rich man, such an assessment is based on ignorance. The US elite is not the same as the US public, not in wealth, not in power and certainly not in their higher immorality...

krbhatti writes "BTW In my opinion, yes US presence in Afghanistan is due to all the factors that I mentioned. Remember, before 9/11 US was desperate to get a foothold in Afghanistan, and at the time of 9/11 US state department was entertaining taliban officials...."

One phone call to Islamabad would have taken care of all "desperations". There was no desperation on the part of the Americans to get a "foothold" in Afghanistan. Pakistan would have backed off the moment the US told them to, as they did after 9/11, a little supply to Masud's forces and the Taliban would have collapsed like a house of cards, the Americans had everything working for them, the Taliban had nothing- there was no desperation whatsoever, that is just popular mythology fit for Michael Moore's documentary...

#85 Posted by RiazHaq,

I agree. This is indeed where it's going.

#90

you are right masadi, but something has to be played for US audience also.

g'night

Nawaz Sharif has said today cross-border attacks are unacceptable, and US must cease and desist. Combine that with the Pakistani Taliban offer to negotiate with the elected Government, and there you go. It's clear where the Pakistani public's interest lies, and how it will be achieved.

In the meantime, there will be an economic crisis again when sanctions hit ... but we've seen plenty of those before.

US should leave Iraq but stay in Afghanistan as a policeman to take care of Pakistan which is a terrorist state. American common Joe will support that. Iraqi oil might have been self sufficient in financing Iraq presence but it is becoming not winnable war.

Just as Chinese and Indian, Saudis and gulf countries are also financing American stay in Afghanistan, probably more than Chinese and Indians. WMDs were never there in Iraq but they are present in Pakistan. These WMDs need to be grabbed first before thinking of leaving Afghanistan.

US should leave Iraq but stay in Afghanistan as a policeman to take care of Pakistan which is a terrorist state. American common Joe will support that. Iraqi oil might have been self sufficient in financing Iraq presence but it is becoming not winnable war.

Just as Chinese and Indian, Saudis and gulf countries are also financing American stay in Afghanistan, probably more than Chinese and Indians. WMDs were never there in Iraq but they are present in Pakistan. These WMDs need to be grabbed first before thinking of leaving Afghanistan.