Pakistan: The War of Drones

#853 Posted by zeemax
“The Qayuum PML was totally discredited and NWFP sub-nationalists never forgave him for his ordering the Bhabra massacre of Khudai Khidmatgars.”

You are so wrong!
You don’t know what you are talking about. Khan Qayoom was Bhutto’s Interior Minister till the Zia Coup. He died a little bit later. The PPP replaced ML in the urban areas of NWFP and with Hindku population in Peshawar.

Sherpao had no role whatsoever in this. When Bhutto was alive it was all Bhutto’s doing and Sherpao was already dead before the July, 77 coup.

“Hayat Muhammad Sherpao was an extremely charismatic person - perhaps just as ZAB himself. He was certain to be Prime Minister of Pakistan one day had he lived. ZAB groomed him as his own son, and I believe Khar was wary of ZAB's admiration for him. Everyone knows how ZAB grieved upon Sherpao's assassination.’

Where did you hear this fable or you are making up stories on the fly! He was PPP President in NWFP just because he joined the party before anyone else did. Bhutto never groomed anyone. Not even Khar who was his closest friend. That was not in that man’s nature. I don’t know where you hear these stories. Bhutto was a different kind of beast in personal relations!

“One old member (whose grandson I knew well) couldn't run fast enough so he hobbled inside and threw his turban onto a chair and declared 'Da zama sho' (This is mine).”

Yeah right! Any more jokes?

Btw, stories from wiki are not always reliable!

Re: # 854
Gandhi may have inspired jihadis, but his method was quite different. Several times, Gandhi emphasized that, wrong means for right cause can create bad situation. Khilafat movement might not be relevant for India, but might have made middle east more powerful than what is today. A united middle east would have created a powerful state like China. The sentiment against european colonialism was very high (for valid reason). Whatever he had done, he might have expected some sort of support from the middle east for freedom struggle of India.
Coming to the Deoband, it was not involved in armed struggle against British.

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YLH, here is a quote, worth repeating like that of patwardhan. This from dawn, more credible than an indian, and like patwardhan his views are also published.

At last here is proof, that at last the gandhi inspired jihadis are creating havoc in pakistan.

From dawn of today. Please note the authors name in diary, Jamal Jamail from Krachi, he is well known military analyst, more famous than patwardhan.

Taliban destabilising Pakistan


THIS is with reference to the spate of bombings that have rocked the country and seems to continue unabated during 2008.

The perpetrators of such inhuman acts are none other than the Taliban and Al Qaeda who are following their so-called agenda of jihad against anti-Islam forces and hell bent on destabilising Pakistan.

However, if we closely look at their activities, one would realise that their effective role is that of Indian and Israeli agents, because they are attacking Pakistani defence installations and killing Pakistani soldiers and law-enforcement agencies’ personnel – something that Indians love to do. They are stabbing in the back the Muslim world’s only nuclear power.

The day Lt-Gen Mushtaq Ahmed Baig was martyred – the highest ranking officer to fall — generals in the Indian army officers’ messes must have clicked their heels and clinked champagne glasses. Their hearts must have been gladdened by such brutal acts which, if planned by the Indian agents, must have taken decades to execute. I really wonder how can the perpetrators of such heinous acts call themselves Muslims and act in the name of Islam.

#852 Posted by HP,

NAP was never unchallenged in NWFP. In fact, it struggled against ML of Qayoom Khan. Bhutto had support in Peshawar very early on and after 1971, he built the party on former ML(Qayoom) workers.

I don't dispute that for 70s election, but after 1971 as you admit, it was none other than Hayat Sherpao who built PPP for ZAB from ex-Qayoom workers. The Qayuum PML was totally discredited and NWFP sub-nationalists never forgave him for his ordering the Bhabra massacre of Khudai Khidmatgars. Sherpao brought the Charsadda/Mardan/Peshawar people away from Wali Khan's inflammatory rhetoric and exploiting their sentiments, and towards Federal politics of ZAB.

In September 1948, Chief Minister Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan gave a statement in the provincial assembly, "I had imposed section 144 at Babra. When the people did not disperse, then firing was opened on them. They were lucky that the police had finished ammunition; otherwise not a single soul would have been left alive". Khan Qayyum said hinting at the four members of the opposition in the provincial assembly. He said; "If they were killed, the government would not care about them." (Wiki)

Another interesting anecdote. In the last provincial assembly of Qayuum Khan where his members were wrangling for cabinet posts, he took all members to the assembly hall with ministery labels on the chairs, and told them to run. Whoever got to which ever chair, it would be his. One old member (whose grandson I knew well) couldn't run fast enough so he hobbled inside and threw his turban onto a chair and declared 'Da zama sho' (This is mine). That portfolio was duly granted to him.

Hayat Muhammad Sherpao was an extremely charismatic person - perhaps just as ZAB himself. He was certain to be Prime Minister of Pakistan one day had he lived. ZAB groomed him as his own son, and I believe Khar was wary of ZAB's admiration for him. Everyone knows how ZAB grieved upon Sherpao's assassination.

#847 Posted by MantoLives
“Pavo says he met the guy who was responsible for the assassination of Hayat Sherpao and he was an NAP activist.”

At this point all I can say is that it is Pavo’s civic duty to report that person to the authorities! Why is he shrinking from it?

“Incidentally, what do you think of Hayat Sherpao?”

Not much really! He started out with ZAB when ZAB only had Khar in 1967. But As far as I know, he was never as close to ZAB as Khar was!
ZAB illegally made him the CM of NWFP in 1972. He never had the majority in the NWFP assembly.

841 Posted by zeemax
“You must be kidding. Hayat Sherpao had single-handedly built up PPP as a formidable force in NWFP against the hitherto unchallenged NAP”

PPP was built by Bhutto alone. Nobody knew clowns like Sherpao without Bhutto.

NAP was never unchallenged in NWFP. In fact, it struggled against ML of Qayoom Khan. Bhutto had support in Peshawar very early on and after 1971, he built the party on former ML(Qayoom) workers. In the 70s elections, the results were pretty much what they are now in PA. ANP did not win absolute majority neither did NAP in 1970.

I have not gone thru district by district results but if you do, you will see the similarities in results.

I second Ferozk's comment.

#849 Posted by bulleya on March 17, 2008 11:29:54 am

even mushy came out and said no foreign power would be permitted to bomb pakiland...that was about a few hundred hellfires ago...look how well that turned out...

nawaz sharif seems to be, openly, coming out against usa's interference in pakistan.......good job!

#846 feroz, thank you.


#843 ana, no problem.


g'night, later...

HP,

Pavo says he met the guy who was responsible for the assassination of Hayat Sherpao and he was an NAP activist.

Incidentally, what do you think of Hayat Sherpao?

re: Masadi

Please do not be overly concerned with redflagging of your posts. Those of us, myself included, who read you, will read your posts regardless of the color of the flag attached to it. :)

Even though we disagree, I think you provide an alternative viewpoint that is missing from the mainstream viewpoint and your comments are welcome in generating a discourse on Chowk.

As to ilogs, my ilogs also do not show up on FP and I think there is a glitch and maybe the Chowk care-takers can look into it and resolve it.

Ciao

Nkg,

Re: 837. I said they were not interested in harassing Pakistan or USA, never anything about not harassing India. And incidentally after their foray into Kashmir in 1947-48 stayed away from international affairs. Till Pakistan and USA dragged them into it.

Regards

Re: # 837
Mr Majumdar, are these tribals same people, who have attacked Kashmir at the behest of Pakistan? Then your conclusion is wrong.

masadi:

Your warning is duly noted, with thanks. I am not concerned with what you wrote, and you are right, there is no reason for your post to have been redflagged when there is so much other bakwaas going on. But what you (and majumdar) missed in my highlighting that particular statement, or post is that you have more folk who disagree with you than just the usual suspects. Aur bas! Iss baat ka aur batangar bananay ki zaroorat nahiN. Don't take the redflaggers so seriously. They probably don't have much intelligent to say either. :)

See, my post was redflagged too. Wow, maybe you are right! Maybe Hamid can't sleep and has nothing better to do!!! On second thought, I really don't give a rat's ass.

goodnight masadi. :)

#823 Posted by ijaz_gul

Zeemax,Plz answer my curiousity?

Which one? Sorry I seem to have missed it.