Pakistan: The War of Drones

#853 Posted by zeemax
“The Qayuum PML was totally discredited and NWFP sub-nationalists never forgave him for his ordering the Bhabra massacre of Khudai Khidmatgars.”

You are so wrong!
You don’t know what you are talking about. Khan Qayoom was Bhutto’s Interior Minister till the Zia Coup. He died a little bit later. The PPP replaced ML in the urban areas of NWFP and with Hindku population in Peshawar.

Sherpao had no role whatsoever in this. When Bhutto was alive it was all Bhutto’s doing and Sherpao was already dead before the July, 77 coup.

“Hayat Muhammad Sherpao was an extremely charismatic person - perhaps just as ZAB himself. He was certain to be Prime Minister of Pakistan one day had he lived. ZAB groomed him as his own son, and I believe Khar was wary of ZAB's admiration for him. Everyone knows how ZAB grieved upon Sherpao's assassination.’

Where did you hear this fable or you are making up stories on the fly! He was PPP President in NWFP just because he joined the party before anyone else did. Bhutto never groomed anyone. Not even Khar who was his closest friend. That was not in that man’s nature. I don’t know where you hear these stories. Bhutto was a different kind of beast in personal relations!

“One old member (whose grandson I knew well) couldn't run fast enough so he hobbled inside and threw his turban onto a chair and declared 'Da zama sho' (This is mine).”

Yeah right! Any more jokes?

Btw, stories from wiki are not always reliable!

Re: # 854
Gandhi may have inspired jihadis, but his method was quite different. Several times, Gandhi emphasized that, wrong means for right cause can create bad situation. Khilafat movement might not be relevant for India, but might have made middle east more powerful than what is today. A united middle east would have created a powerful state like China. The sentiment against european colonialism was very high (for valid reason). Whatever he had done, he might have expected some sort of support from the middle east for freedom struggle of India.
Coming to the Deoband, it was not involved in armed struggle against British.

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YLH, here is a quote, worth repeating like that of patwardhan. This from dawn, more credible than an indian, and like patwardhan his views are also published.

At last here is proof, that at last the gandhi inspired jihadis are creating havoc in pakistan.

From dawn of today. Please note the authors name in diary, Jamal Jamail from Krachi, he is well known military analyst, more famous than patwardhan.

Taliban destabilising Pakistan


THIS is with reference to the spate of bombings that have rocked the country and seems to continue unabated during 2008.

The perpetrators of such inhuman acts are none other than the Taliban and Al Qaeda who are following their so-called agenda of jihad against anti-Islam forces and hell bent on destabilising Pakistan.

However, if we closely look at their activities, one would realise that their effective role is that of Indian and Israeli agents, because they are attacking Pakistani defence installations and killing Pakistani soldiers and law-enforcement agencies’ personnel – something that Indians love to do. They are stabbing in the back the Muslim world’s only nuclear power.

The day Lt-Gen Mushtaq Ahmed Baig was martyred – the highest ranking officer to fall — generals in the Indian army officers’ messes must have clicked their heels and clinked champagne glasses. Their hearts must have been gladdened by such brutal acts which, if planned by the Indian agents, must have taken decades to execute. I really wonder how can the perpetrators of such heinous acts call themselves Muslims and act in the name of Islam.

#852 Posted by HP,

NAP was never unchallenged in NWFP. In fact, it struggled against ML of Qayoom Khan. Bhutto had support in Peshawar very early on and after 1971, he built the party on former ML(Qayoom) workers.

I don't dispute that for 70s election, but after 1971 as you admit, it was none other than Hayat Sherpao who built PPP for ZAB from ex-Qayoom workers. The Qayuum PML was totally discredited and NWFP sub-nationalists never forgave him for his ordering the Bhabra massacre of Khudai Khidmatgars. Sherpao brought the Charsadda/Mardan/Peshawar people away from Wali Khan's inflammatory rhetoric and exploiting their sentiments, and towards Federal politics of ZAB.

In September 1948, Chief Minister Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan gave a statement in the provincial assembly, "I had imposed section 144 at Babra. When the people did not disperse, then firing was opened on them. They were lucky that the police had finished ammunition; otherwise not a single soul would have been left alive". Khan Qayyum said hinting at the four members of the opposition in the provincial assembly. He said; "If they were killed, the government would not care about them." (Wiki)

Another interesting anecdote. In the last provincial assembly of Qayuum Khan where his members were wrangling for cabinet posts, he took all members to the assembly hall with ministery labels on the chairs, and told them to run. Whoever got to which ever chair, it would be his. One old member (whose grandson I knew well) couldn't run fast enough so he hobbled inside and threw his turban onto a chair and declared 'Da zama sho' (This is mine). That portfolio was duly granted to him.

Hayat Muhammad Sherpao was an extremely charismatic person - perhaps just as ZAB himself. He was certain to be Prime Minister of Pakistan one day had he lived. ZAB groomed him as his own son, and I believe Khar was wary of ZAB's admiration for him. Everyone knows how ZAB grieved upon Sherpao's assassination.

#847 Posted by MantoLives
“Pavo says he met the guy who was responsible for the assassination of Hayat Sherpao and he was an NAP activist.”

At this point all I can say is that it is Pavo’s civic duty to report that person to the authorities! Why is he shrinking from it?

“Incidentally, what do you think of Hayat Sherpao?”

Not much really! He started out with ZAB when ZAB only had Khar in 1967. But As far as I know, he was never as close to ZAB as Khar was!
ZAB illegally made him the CM of NWFP in 1972. He never had the majority in the NWFP assembly.

841 Posted by zeemax
“You must be kidding. Hayat Sherpao had single-handedly built up PPP as a formidable force in NWFP against the hitherto unchallenged NAP”

PPP was built by Bhutto alone. Nobody knew clowns like Sherpao without Bhutto.

NAP was never unchallenged in NWFP. In fact, it struggled against ML of Qayoom Khan. Bhutto had support in Peshawar very early on and after 1971, he built the party on former ML(Qayoom) workers. In the 70s elections, the results were pretty much what they are now in PA. ANP did not win absolute majority neither did NAP in 1970.

I have not gone thru district by district results but if you do, you will see the similarities in results.

I second Ferozk's comment.

#849 Posted by bulleya on March 17, 2008 11:29:54 am

even mushy came out and said no foreign power would be permitted to bomb pakiland...that was about a few hundred hellfires ago...look how well that turned out...

nawaz sharif seems to be, openly, coming out against usa's interference in pakistan.......good job!

#846 feroz, thank you.


#843 ana, no problem.


g'night, later...

HP,

Pavo says he met the guy who was responsible for the assassination of Hayat Sherpao and he was an NAP activist.

Incidentally, what do you think of Hayat Sherpao?

re: Masadi

Please do not be overly concerned with redflagging of your posts. Those of us, myself included, who read you, will read your posts regardless of the color of the flag attached to it. :)

Even though we disagree, I think you provide an alternative viewpoint that is missing from the mainstream viewpoint and your comments are welcome in generating a discourse on Chowk.

As to ilogs, my ilogs also do not show up on FP and I think there is a glitch and maybe the Chowk care-takers can look into it and resolve it.

Ciao

Nkg,

Re: 837. I said they were not interested in harassing Pakistan or USA, never anything about not harassing India. And incidentally after their foray into Kashmir in 1947-48 stayed away from international affairs. Till Pakistan and USA dragged them into it.

Regards

Re: # 837
Mr Majumdar, are these tribals same people, who have attacked Kashmir at the behest of Pakistan? Then your conclusion is wrong.

masadi:

Your warning is duly noted, with thanks. I am not concerned with what you wrote, and you are right, there is no reason for your post to have been redflagged when there is so much other bakwaas going on. But what you (and majumdar) missed in my highlighting that particular statement, or post is that you have more folk who disagree with you than just the usual suspects. Aur bas! Iss baat ka aur batangar bananay ki zaroorat nahiN. Don't take the redflaggers so seriously. They probably don't have much intelligent to say either. :)

See, my post was redflagged too. Wow, maybe you are right! Maybe Hamid can't sleep and has nothing better to do!!! On second thought, I really don't give a rat's ass.

goodnight masadi. :)

#823 Posted by ijaz_gul

Zeemax,Plz answer my curiousity?

Which one? Sorry I seem to have missed it.

#821 Posted by HP

..how the hell would I know who did it.

How the hell do you know who did not?

Do you know who ordered Laiquat's murder?

I think it was the Hayat's of Wah who ordered it.

I doubt that NAP people did that because there was no reason for them to kill him!

You must be kidding. Hayat Sherpao had single-handedly built up PPP as a formidable force in NWFP against the hitherto unchallenged NAP.

He was a small fry and had nothing to do with what Bhutto and the army did to the NAP government in NWFP and Baluchistan.

He was no small fry. He was extremely popular and had great potential. Also see above.

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majumdar:

Thank you for your explanation. I was not referring to my own understanding of what he had written. I was using that as an example of why some others besides the usual enfants terribles like Hamid, who masadi thinks would be up past midnight to redflag his posts, but who perhaps was more likely sleeping off his qeemati scotch would make a useless effort to redflag his statements.

But thank you for your efforts as well. :)

Ana,

What Masadi sahib means is that the tribesmen from FATA were never interested in harassing either the Americans or the Pakis until 1979 or so. They kept to themselves. Then it was the Yanks and Pakis who jihadised them for their onw interest (harassing USSR, strategic depth for Pak). And then one day decided that jihad was not kosher and started bombing the Pushtoons for being Talibs.

Regards

Masadi #830, #831

Those "terrorists" were never America's problem, they were not even Pakistan's problem. . .

You don't think that anyone besides Hamid would contest the "absolutely nothing objectionable" in this statement? With all the bakwaas we see here on a daily basis. Seriously, man, please remove your dunce cap and put your thinking one on. . .

There are two strains of militants active at the momment. The Al Qaeeda Strain who operate in Tribal Areas and against specific targets.
Then there are the home grown darlings belonging to the extremist fringes and sometimes inter linked with Taliban, sometimes not. They attack mosques (mostly Shia), churches etc. they were responsible for events that Ana alludes to.

HP #826

Gaps and speculation aside, it would not be completely beyond the realm of possibility for missionary schools to be attacked. It happened after all in 2002 in Jhika Gali, as well as churches. . . places where mostly foreign (read: amreeki) nationals are. . .as well as apne

HP,
wait n See

Masadi,

I am sure that Hamid has better things to do than to be awake at a very late hour, redflagging your posts. There are other people here besides Hamid who are perfectly capable of doing this.

I suggest you curb your paranoia, because it is growing fast.

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Re: # 802

Ahmedmadani Saab,

VC firm = VC company does what.

If thats a straight forward question, a VC firm funds new ventures/startups that are deemed risky by the conventional/conservative lending institutions. VC stands for 'venture capitalists'. VCs live life king size :) cos they extract a huge ROI than the safe lenders.

Re: # 805
The purpose of 1971 war was to stop migration from East Pakistan to India. It was the humanitarian crisis, which had led to the war. I don't think Congress or India had any sympathy towards Bangladeshis (these scoundrels were first to start genocide against Bengalees/ No moslems). If, during partition, the population exchange was done properly, India had the option of staying away from the war. Tripura, Assam and West Bengal border were deluged with non-moslem refugees. India has not benifitted from this war, but Pakistan had. They had got easy way out to get rid of the Eastern Wing (population wise Bangladesh is bigger than Current Pakistan. So East Pakistan would have controlled everything).

Re: # 593
Quite stupid. What US will gain from keeping base in Pakistan in an unstable Pakistan? It will consume resource and will not fulfill its purpose. European colonialism had kept islamic menace in backburner (for couple of centuries). Now it is surfacing again.

Ijaz,

These dots don't connect because there are just too many gaps.
Perhaps the civvies are being set up for failure in six months.

"Missionary schools may become targets of suicide bombers.....'

Why that?

Taliban welcome ANP’s offer for peace talks

Winning parties must stop pursuing pro-US policies | Terms Capital blast a revenge | Threaten action against Mehsud

Arif Yousafzai

PESHAWAR: Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and the NWFP chief minister-designate Amir Haider Hoti has agreed to kick start negotiation process to restore normalcy in the settled parts of Frontier.

In a message, official spokesman of the local Taliban Maulvi Umer has welcomed the recent statements of chief minister-designate Amir Haider Hoti wherein the later has invited militants for peace talks.

Maulvi Umer said that Amir of the Taliban Baitullah Mehsud had explicitly expressed the desire to cooperate with the coalition government- in-waiting- of PPPP, PML-N and ANP in Centre and the PPPP and ANP coalition government in NWFP.

He said that Amir Haider Hoti had floated a reasonable suggestion to find solution to prevailing lawlessness in the country through peaceful means. "Tehrik Taliban will soberly respond to the ANP offer for peace talks," Maulvi Umer said. He urged the winning political parties to stop pursuing the pro-American policies being pursued by Musharraf. Maulvi Umer condemned an alleged statement of Pakhtoonkhwa Milli Awami Party (PkMAP) Chief Mehmood Khan Achakzai wherein he had accused Taliban of playing the role to protect the interests of some foreign countries.

He said Taliban had always remained loyal to Pakistan and no genuine Taliban could think of destabilising Pakistan, which, he described as fortress of Islam. Tehrik Taliban Pakistan had been formed with a view to guard the frontiers of Pakistan and foil the nefarious designs of anti Muslim forces. He said that Taliban would never lay down arms unless American and NATO forces remain present on Afghanistan soil.

Maulvi Umer said all the disputes in the tribal areas were resolved through Jirga system and Taliban would send their representatives to negotiate peace with the government officials, adding that they would extend their full cooperation to secure peace. It would be pertinent to note here that ANP's nominee Hiyder Khan Hoti in his interview with BBC admitted that the Taliban too were a force. In his various statements and interviews he has been emphasising on the need for initiating talks with the Taliban. Meanwhile, the Taliban representative without accepting a direct responsibility the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan has termed the Saturday blast in Islamabad a response to the ongoing operation in the tribal areas. The Taliban representative did not accept a direct responsibility for Saturday's blast in an Italian restaurant however he said it was a response of the killing of innocent civilians by the security forces. The security forces in the last ten days have killed five Taliban in Mohmand Agency, twelve civilians in Bajaur Agency and many others in Waziristan, he added. "The tribal people are not created out of stones and wood, they also are human beings. Revenge is taken for any unnecessary operation by the government in the tribal areas and the Islamabad blast too was an action taken in revenge". He warned the government to end operation in the tribal areas. "Otherwise such activities will increase," he said.

Earlier a local Taliban commander had offered the country's new government, to be formed by PPP and PML-N, a ceasefire and talks if it stopped supporting President Pervez Musharraf's pro-US policies.

Maulana Faqir Mohammad said the local Taliban could not trust the government "as long as Musharraf is around". The militants want better relations with the government but the new leadership should stop supporting Musharraf's pro-US policies and safeguarding American interests, he said. A durable peace will remain elusive as long as Pakistan continues to support American policies, Mohammed told a gathering at Mamoond sub-district in the Bajaur tribal agency on Saturday.

Mohammed also warned that there should not be any action against local Taliban supreme commander Baitullah Mehsud. "The government should desist from deliberately creating a law and order situation in the country," he said.

Mehsud, the leader of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, has been blamed by the government for a series of suicide and bomb attacks across the country, including the assassination of former premier Benazir Bhutto last year. He also criticised US plans to train Pakistani paramilitary forces to fight militants. "This is an insult to one of the world's best trained armies," he said, adding Pakistan's soil "would not be allowed to be used in support of the US-led forces".

The 37-year-old chief minister-designate Amir Haider Hoti has also extended hand of friendship to defiant cleric of Swat Maulana Fazalullah with a view to bring back peace to the scenic valley.

The youngest person to become a chief minister in Pakistan, Amir Haider Hoti, is optimistic that the militants' commander will reciprocate with the same zeal. The ANP government will face no hesitation in implementing Islamic Shariah in Swat district if the people of the valley floated a unanimous demand in this regard, Hoti said while responding to a question during a chat with this scribe at Shahi Mehman Khana.

Young Hoti seems to be a bit immature when one meets him but this first impression changes as soon as he starts expressing his views on important issues, ranging from provincial autonomy to controlling militancy in the country.

MPA-elect from PF-19 Mardan, Haider Hoti clinched the chief minister's slot following a tug of war between him and the former provincial president of ANP Bashir Ahmad Bilour, MPA-elect from PF-3 Peshawar.

Critics of ANP are of the view that Haider Hoti was awarded the chief minister's office just because he is the nephew of party chief Asfandyar Wali Khan, the grandson of late Khan Abdul Wali Khan and the son of former federal minister for communication Azam Hoti.

The role of family influence in Pakistani politics cannot be denied. Like Asif Ali Zardari, the most likely prime minister of the future, has become the head of PPPP as a result of the will of late Benazir Bhutto. However, Asif Ali Zardari has been behaving like a veteran politician ever since he took over as party head.

Haider Hoti might have been blessed by his highly influential kin in ANP but it would be quite unjustified to reject the young chief minister-designate without giving him considerable time as head of the province. His success and failure cannot be judged at this stage.

However, Haider Hoti will have to remain alert as his critics have already started monitoring his activities. As the administrator of the Bacha Khan Trust he has already proven himself as a responsible person.

Fluent in English and Urdu, Haider Hoti has a gigantic responsibility on his shoulders. On the one hand, he would have to struggle hard to get the rights of NWFP from the centre and rename the province as Pakhtoonkhawa or Pakhtoonistan, and on the other hand he would have to rid the people of the province of injustices meted out to them in police stations, courts, hospitals and other government offices.

Haider Hoti seems to be committed to negotiate peace with the Taliban leaders. He is quite clear in his thoughts regarding the existence of Taliban as a reality. He has repeatedly said that he would try to find out a negotiated settlement of the issue.

However, Hoti says his offer of talks with the militants should not be considered his weakness because he knows how to restore writ of the government.

About the steps taken by the caretaker government for enforcement of Shariah in Swat, Haider Hoti said his government was by no means bound to pursue the policies of the caretakers, saying the ANP government would review all the actions and the good things would be accepted with thanks.

His father Azam Hoti, once addressing public gathering in Takht Bhai, said had government not stopped shelling the innocent people in Swat, he would have no other option but to join the ranks of Taliban. Haider Hoti has been focused on talks with Taliban but he speaks nothing about the popular demand of requesting the army to vacate Swat valley as lawlessness gripped the Swat district when army was deployed there.

Talking to this correspondent via phone from his hometown Mardan, Amir Haider Hoti said that ANP believed in Jirga system, which was the only solution to enmities and problems in Pakhtoon society.

He welcomed the Taliban statement in which militants had appreciated (Hoti) offer for talks. However, Hoti said that keeping in view requirements of Pakhtoon traditional Jirga, ANP government and Taliban would have to keep "Teega" (Surety Bond) between and whoever violated the Teega would have to be made accountable.

Further asked as to what he meant from Teega in peace talks with Taliban, Haider said that it would mean that both sides would resort to complete ceasefire till the Jirga announced its verdict.

Haider further said that peace could only be restored by means of Jirgas and talks and for this purpose government was required to stop attacking Taliban and in response Taliban were required to stop explosions.

He made clear that whoever challenged writ of the government would be dealt with iron fist. Our desire for peace talks should not be considered as our weakness, Haider Hoti added.

He expressed his sorrow over the bomb attack on police mobile in Mardan and expressed sympathy with the families of victims of the blast.

It will not be easy for Haider Hoti to successfully negotiate army withdrawal from Swat valley with the military high command. According to a highly reliable official source, army does not want a ceasefire with militants because it would mean halting of millions of American dollars being paid to Pakistan government.

Haider Hoti cannot, however, be made held accountable if he fails to expel army from Swat because it was it was his predecessor Akram Khan Durrani, whose party is the so-called standard-bearer of Islam and supporter of Taliban, who brought army to Swat and gave his consent in the National Security Council meeting in this regard.

The Taliban Amir in Bajaur Agency and Naib Amir of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan Maulvi Faqir seems to be unhappy with the policies of ANP and he has publicly said that he could sit and talk with ANP if it brings changes to its attitude and pro-American policies.

However, Maulvi Faqir has openly said that he was ready to sit with the PML-N leader Nawaz Sharif as according to the Taliban commander Nawaz Sharif has never uttered a single word against the Taliban.

Haider Hoti will have to do his utmost to make himself acceptable to everyone, whether they are Taliban or his political opponents if he wants to rule the hearts.

http://thepost.com.pk/Ba_ShortNews.aspx?fbshortid=2813&bcatid=14&bstat us=Current&fcatid=14&fstatus=Current

There is a mosaic being put togather very quickly.
.... Benazir contacted Taliban and was murdered...
.... Baitullah willing to talk to new government....
.... Taliban Commander Maulvi Umar in contact with ANP....
.... Arrest warrants of Baitullah issued for murder of BB...
.... US changing strategy in Tribal Areas........
.... US also using Baghram Air Base to fly predators into Pakistan other than Shamsi Pakistan.
.... Suicide bombers on the loose in Punjab...
.... Missionary schools may become targets of suicide bombers.....
.... All this in the midst of a likely new government?
Any Ideas?

Zeemax,
Plz answer my curiousity?

Zee

It was not the year that made me jump, it was the allegation itself. You seems to forget what you wrote there!

#820 Posted by zeemax
"If you say it wasn't ANP, who then?"

You tendency to make everything a conspiracy theory is amazing! how the hell would I know who did it. Do you know who ordered Laiquat's murder?

The government was supposed to publish the investigation report and take the case to the court. It never did so the murder is still a mystery. I doubt that NAP people did that because there was no reason for them to kill him!

He was a small fry and had nothing to do with what Bhutto and the army did to the NAP government in NWFP and Baluchistan.

#817 Posted by HP,

Yaar HP I said "I think 1972 0r 1973..." Why jump so high because I got the year wrong?

Anyway, it is mostly accepted in NWFP that ANP killed Hayat Sherpao - and the blood feud continues till this day. If you say it wasn't ANP, who then?

Re: # 814

Rats!

Or perhaps I should say...

Oh my, oh my!

seriously...is the paki government stupid(stupider than your average inbred paki) or does it think the whole paki junta is stupid?


20 killed in S Waziristan missile strike
Foreigners among dead

By Irfan Barki & Akhtar Shehzad

WANA/ TANK: A cross-border missile attack on the house of a tribal elder left 20 people dead and five others injured in Pir Bagh area of Kot Shah Nawaz, south of the agency headquarters, Wana, in the restive South Waziristan Agency (SWA) on Sunday.

The six missiles landed in and around the house of Noorullah Wazir, eyewitnesses said. The attack claimed 20 lives, including a few foreigners, whose identity could not be ascertained. The incident that took place at around 3.30 pm completely destroyed the targeted house.

Official and tribal sources claimed that the attack was carried out from across the border and aimed at an alleged militants’ hideout, the authenticity of which was established after the killing of some foreigners in the attack.

Top military spokesman Major-General Athar Abbas told The News that around six explosions were heard in the area but said, at the moment, he could not confirm if it was a missile attack or the number of casualties in the incident. He said a fact-finding team had been sent to the area to probe into the incident.

However, private TV channels, quoting some unidentified eyewitnesses, reported that the attack was carried out by a drone. It is worth mentioning here that militants in South Waziristan are led by a pro-government commander Maulvi Nazir, who played a major role in expelling the Uzbek militants from the tribal agency. Under his command, the area remained peaceful since November 16, when he announced a unilateral ceasefire with the security forces.

He was reciprocated and no tussle has been witnessed in the agency since then, but at the same time attacks from across the border have been causing unrest from time-to-time. Twelve people were killed in a similar pre-dawn attack on a house in Kaloosha village in SWA on February 29 last.

Senior government functionaries based in Wana as well as sources among the militants having links with Arab fighters had confirmed to The News that majority of those killed in the attack were Arabs, Afghans and Jihadis from the Punjab.

While the militants claimed a pilotless spy plane had fired three missiles on the house, which also caused damage to three adjacent houses, DG ISPR Maj-Gen Athar Abbas had claimed that the blast was caused by explosives dumped in the house. He had ruled out the possibility of an attack by any foreign aircraft.

The February 19 incident was the second attack of its kind in the area inhabited by Ahmadzai Wazir tribe in South Waziristan. In 2004, militant commander Nek Muhammad, along with five other tribesmen, was killed in a similar air strike reportedly carried out by a CIA-operated Predator aircraft.

Local militants had admitted that the place was used as a training facility and was frequently visited by the Arab fighters and Mujahideen from the Islamic countries. He felt it was possible that their opponents, possibly Afghan refugees living in the area but having affiliation with the Americans and the Northern Alliance, had passed on information about their activities.

Militants believed that the Arab fighters were the main target of such missile attacks as they used to visit the place frequently and had recently attended crucial meetings. It may be recalled that senior al-Qaeda commander Abu Laith al-Libbi was killed in a similar attack on a house in Khushali Tori Khel village of Mirali town in the North Waziristan Agency on January 29. However, American and Pakistani officials are still tight-lipped about the incident and have not officially confirmed Al-Libbi's killing.

#736 Posted by zeemax
“the NAP student wing named Pakhtoon Students Federation killed Hayat Mohammed Khan Sherpao through a bomb planted under the podium when he arrived to address Peshawar University students in I think 1972 or 1973.”

This is flat out lie! He was assassinated on 16th of Feb, 1975, the NAP assemblies in NWFP and Balochistan were already dismissed and the army action had started in Balochistan in 1974.

Asfandyar Wali Khan was named as the primary accused by the Bhutto government. Afrasiab Khattak, now ANP President for NWFP and at that time, President of the Pushtoon Student Federation was also a named accused.

People who know them both also know that these two guys have never even swatted a fly in their lives. Hayat Sherpao’s murder was used for witch-hunt. Both asfandyar and Afrasiab had to leave for Afghanistan and they did not come back until the cases were withdrawn. (Perhaps asfand was arrested on his return but released quickly!)

Even Khan Ghaffar Khan, who was still in Pakistan after his return from Kabul in 1972, had to leave again along with Ajmal Khattak a former leader of the ANP.

I posted this on a thread (stuka) on UP!

I think it would be appropriate to post it here too.

“I would only ask you to look at the considerable Pakistani literature that itself points to the rising tide of religiosity in Pakistan.”

Thanks Stuka,

That is precisely the point I was trying to make in the Nawaiwaqt article.

The Punjab is not awash in some puritanical desire for the rule of law in Pakistan. It is the issue of the U-turn and overall mush’s support of the US.

Things look really good for the democratic forces now, but the reality of the terrorism and dealing with the terror, would bring even the politicians the wrath of the people as politicians can’t fight terrorism without the US help.

The failure of the politicians or not molding the public opinion in the right direction would result in another sympathy vote for either the mullah or the army!

More than the US the terrorists in Pakistan are now Pakistani issue and the state has to deal with them.

The army was reluctant to make the decision to go after the terrorists as it impacted Army’s constituency in Pakistan.

The politicians would not have any excuses and on top of that they will not get cooperation from the army.

As I said in the article: many traps are being set and the politicians at the helm are inexperienced!

Just for you to ponder at some other time.

One reason NS, aitazaz and Zardari are embracing the CJ issues is: it gives them cover and if the CJ is reinstated, they will have more goodwill in the Punjab to deal with the terrorism and the FATA and the US help issues!

#806 Posted by SR

“My friend you take yourself too damn seriously. This anonymous website is for bored middle aged desi men (who most likely don't get enough nukkie) to get on line and jerk off hot air and smoke”

Hmmm… Who takes the site seriously now? Do I post lengthy stories about how the US economic system is falling under another nic in ilogs? If you don’t take this site seriously then why post ridiculous stuff as your analysis showing how savvy (hehehe) financial analyst you are? Oh, perhaps that is your way of having fun!

Btw SR,
Seriously or not, would really appreciate your take on what Pakistan establishment is? Who is part of that and who is not? Let us just figure out you can really seriously understand an issue or not!

#808 Posted by bjkumar on March 16, 2008 12:33:28 pm
#788 HP (the moorakh)

“Did it occur to you a problem at all that the date on that piece was MARCH 4?”

Did it occur to you that you are a complete idiot for crying out loud! Hehehehe!


#803 Posted by tahmed32
#800 Posted by Dash_Dot
#799 Posted by bulleya

Guys got to figure out spoof from the reality. My comment at the end had a clue. That is a spoof!

#796 Posted by rf786
“Apologies for spoiling your booze party, but your source has serious errors or should I say is totally bogus dude.”

I don’t know who deserve that but I sure can see that you can't even figure out a simple thing!


#793 Posted by zeemax
“This article appeared on the circuits a while ago but is totally false.”

Thanks Zeemax for figuring that out! I guess you still had your wits together!

For others read my comment at the bottom of my previous post!

#788 Posted by HP
“It is coming soon…In the mean time enjoy it!”

Thank you guys for spoiling the fun by not figuring this out! You can be taken for a ride in a jiffy! This would have been all over the media if he had resigned.

Btw, Asif Raza Mir used to work in movies in the70-80s period perhaps too old for mushy’s daughter!

Now read news from the same site…. And comment on that!

http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?
article_clas s=3&no=382076&rel_no=1

#812 Dash_Dot

Generally speaking, desis are lazy.

But HP is more lazy than the other desis, that's all!

The take-home lesson is - never trust HP's "sources" implicitly!

Now, come to think of it - wasn't it HP who stated he had a "source" inside Zardari's inner circle?

Re: # 808beej, why you do want to play the spoil-sport...why not let HP have his day in the sun(T)

if you are not getting enuf nookie....pliss contact SR and he will guide you and provide the GPS system as well....

#801 Posted by zeemax on March 16, 2008 10:47:10 am

why is NATO whacking pakis in pakiland? I thought, because you told us, pakiland had the US over a barrel and used this influence to fire afghan ministers at will..

Re: # 809 ["... By your argument, the US forces should not only have decimated Iraq in 1991, but also should have gone after Iran and Syria too..."]

No, no, no, Malik sahib, no. Hold your horses. Please go back and read what I said. You are taking this too far as an argument.

I was simply pointing out a statement you made. And trying to show that it was over-zealous rhetoric, even though I basically agree with the gist of what you were saying.

You had written, obviously for its rhetoric effect, that no winning army in history had ever raised the flag of peace, or similar words. It was just that specific stement that I was pin-pointing and giving two examples of winning armies that offered unilateral peace ... of course, we all know, their objectives had been achieved, that's not the point. They were the victors and they sued for peace. You had written that such a thing never happened in all of history.

cheers,

...SR

SR #805 "I can remember AT LEAST two (2) examples in my memory."

SR, lets leave spinning to gym classes. You are putting a whole new twist to what was a straight forward "Mission Accomplished" for both Indian forces in East Pakistan and US forces in Kuwait. They had no reason, at least at that moment in time, to go beyond but they had set out to accomplish. Their political and military strategy had certain goals. And once those goals were met, and they had the surrender papers from enemy commanders in hand, they declared victory. In India's case, the goal was the exit of Pakistani forces from East Pakistan. In Kuwait, it was the exit of Iraqi forces from Kuwait.

By your argument, the US forces should not only have decimated Iraq in 1991, but also should have gone after Iran and Syria too.

#788 HP (the moorakh)

Did it occur to you a problem at all that the date on that piece was MARCH 4?

Is it indicative of the level of effort you put in checking your "sources"?

For your enlightenment, here is another piece from the same "source"


Visitors From the Future Due This Year
Beware of homicidal grandchildren

Two Russian mathematicians have caused a stir in the normally staid world of theoretical physics.

Irina Aref'eva and Igor Volovich have not only proposed a mechanism for time travel, but they have given it a timetable as well. The pair, from the Steklov Mathematical Institute in Moscow, has been speculating on what might happen when the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is switched on.

....

Re: # 780 Posted by hamidm2 on March 16, 2008 7:57:39 am

Hamid mian,

[..... of course we have few sane folks like me, hp sain and feroze main trying to hold back the tide of ignorance]

and what about meee? as usual you are ignoring poor me?

HP Re: talk is chaep ... do something ... stop making idealistic statements blah, blah, blah

My friend you take yourself too damn seriously. This anonymous website is for bored middle aged desi men (who most likely don't get enough nukkie) to get on line and jerk off hot air and smoke. Meaningless bantar is all any of this ever was or will be. If you think otherwise, then YOU are the clueless idealist, the role that you're projecting on me. This is CHOWK, for crying out loud. What else did you think this was? The Heritage Foundation?

Re: # 789 Malik99 ["... No winning army in history ever raised a white flag..."]

I can remember AT LEAST two (2) examples in my memory.

1) In 1971, after having won the war decisively in the East, Mrs. Ghandi's government declared a unilateral "cease fire" on the western front. This was in spite of Yahaya Khan's speech the previous evening, December 17th, when he declared that "we shall fight on for a thousand years."

India, at the time, could have smashed into Pakistan at Rahim Yar Khan and penetrated all the way to the Indus. cutting the country into two halves. Then after destroying every bridge, burning every crop, breaking every dam, dismantling power transmission lines and gas pipelines, they could have withdrawn out of Pakistani territory and left the country crippled.

You can argue that Richard Nixon and Breznev leaned hard on Indra to stop, because enough is enough ... (re: Henry Kissinger's book) ... but the fact still remains that it was the winner that stopped the war. It was a wise move.

Second example is that of Papa Bush. After the ejection of Iraqi army from Kuwait and destruction of the bulk of the Iraqi army, there was nothing stopping the US forces from capturing Iraq, as did his moron son, but Papa Bush ordered a unilateral cease fire. Again, it was a wise move. Again, it was the winning side that raised the white flag.

(Please note: I am making no statement as to the moral or legal justification or the wisdom of having started those wars in the first place. In both cases the winner had also started the war.)

Sorry for pointing out facts that you completely ignored to suit your rhetoric.

...SR

in #803 : change "no doubt he mush will do a final " to "no doubt he mush will try to do a final".

get the popcorn, make yourself comfortable, and watch the "rising sun" give a whole new meaning to the term "end run". :-)

HP: no doubt he mush will do a final "oversmart" thing and scoot with the loot to some other country "in the supreme national interest".

but your news source - a korean website - is hardly a reliable source. beware of greeks bearing gifts and koreans bearing news..

Re: # 799
VC firm = VC company does what ?

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HP theinteresting part of the article (source mentioned by you) is this

The president was responding to General Kayani's request to Musharraf to consider playing a statesmanlike role to resolve the political and constitutional crisis in the country," a well-placed source privy to the meeting revealed.

The point (from my view is this) they guys who got him to power while flying over karachi and the arabian sea have asked him to step down.

Nothing has changed .....everything has changed....yet everything is the same....

Tahmed32 can dance in the streets, but the basics are still the same.

HP #: "1) safe passage abroad with his mother Zarin, wife Sehba, daughter Ayla and son-in-law Asif Raza Mir (the former TV star who acted in Fatima Surraya Bajia's famous drama serial Tanhaiyan) to live with his Boston-based son Bilal Musharraf where he serves as an actuary accountant;"

....this is the only safe exit for him.....even if he is let off the hook, and has to live in Pakistan, he will be killed by al-qaeda or mehsud etc., without the layers of security he currently has as president.....

......by the way, his son-in-law is not asif raza mir, and his son, i believe, has now, gone to stanford and works for a famous vc firm, which is headed by a pakistani expat.....

This article provides the background to Admiral Fallon's resignation, and what US wanted from him in the entire Central Asian region.

"Fallon is the American at the center of every circle in this part of the world. And it is a testament to his skill, and to the failure of American diplomacy, that so much is left for this military man to do himself. He spends very little time at Centcom headquarters in Tampa and is instead constantly "forward," on the move between Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and all the 'Stans of Central Asia."

http://www.esquire.com/print-this/features/fox-fallon

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Re: # 788

HP Saeen,

Apologies for spoiling your booze party, but your source has serious errors or should I say is totally bogus dude.

Bilal Musharraf no longer resides in Boston, he is currently enrolled in the Stanford Business Program completing his MBA.

As for that dud Cheap Iftikhar, well we all know what Zardari thinks of him, so lets not get carried away, enjoy your drink, have one on me.

Peace.

I have outdone myself this time:

a boat with a thousand holes and atleast one a-hole...

now that was a goddamned classic! Note this please (and feel free to redflag it)

hamid writes "..... of course we have few sane folks like me, hp sain and feroze main trying to hold back the tide of ignorance.."

You are sadly mistaken if you think that HP supports the US WOT, thinks they or the Pakistan Army are blameless, or supports the War on Iraq, Feroz doesn't have much of a clue about any of this, so he and you are in the same boat (with a thousand holes (and at least one a-hole).

#788 Posted by HP,

This article appeared on the circuits a while ago but is totally false. For example, Asif Raza Mir is not musharraf's son-in-law.

But I do think he's preparing to resign after watching his interview with Atiqa Odho televised today. The guy looked totally despondent, and Odho even asked him why he doesn't smile anymore!

The enemy is whereever the US wants it to be...

Feroz talks about appeasement using the same BS allied terminology of WW2,- these rat farts are no Hitler regardless of how hard you try to convert them into one, not by any stretch of the imagination and even where morals go, the other side has done more harm in Iraq than these thugs can ever fathom to accomplish- they are nothing unless you and your masters make them into something, which is the long term plan of uber thugs, feroz has little knowledge of the issues in the WOT other than an unconditional worship of the white man and his sh**

feroz writes "You fight the enemy where the enemy is and not where the enemy is not!!!!"

The enemy is whereever the US want it to be, first in Afghanistan, then in Iraq, now in Pakistan, soon in Iran and the BS carries on....It is high time to call BS on this entire WOT farce and let civilian institutions emerge that deal with problems of the state and get the military out of all internal affairs of the country except defending the borders. What is criminally stupid is the undoing of the nation by these uber macho cowboy types that think that they can make peace by bombing people's families in the current methodology of the Pakistan Army/ US, they have tried all of that and the problems have only escalated. Another joke is the claim by Feroz that Al-Qaeda wants territory- who will occupy their "territory", they simply do not have the numbers to do any meaningful occupation, only if you follow through on your "tough man" methodology will they get the critical mass needed to fulfill thier perverse agenda, you are playing right into their dirty hands but then that is what the US wants to hand this country over to them so it can perpetuate its farce, and Hamid, go F yourself, it is your problem not mine if you cannot handle my arguments....

zahid e K... writes "The writer of the Koran gives the idea of building a wall to save civilization from monsters"

You need to read the Quran more carefully. It was Zulqarnaian's idea (not the idea of the writer of the Quran) and he arrived at his assessment given the terrain and the needs of the people on the other side, not something that can be generalized in the manner that you were doing

ferozk # 784 "Appeasement never works."

Appeasement does work once you run out of stamina, or options. War too works when you run out of patience. Humanity is a very complex entity, with few black and white options.

If we can strike compromises in our personal lives with the people we hate the most (our relatives), we sure can strike compromises at national and international levels too :)

But you are correct in one sense: human being is not programmed to "appease" or "compromise" when he is powerful. So the natural inclination among a group of people is to pursue war while it has the upper hand. No winning army in history ever raised a white flag.

btw - please accept my sympathies for your "worthless" life.

Good Morning Tahmed, Hamid and Feroz!

Here is little news for you!

Pakistan's President Agrees to Resign

“According to sources, Musharraf has requested three face-saving measures: (1) safe passage abroad with his mother Zarin, wife Sehba, daughter Ayla and son-in-law Asif Raza Mir (the former TV star who acted in Fatima Surraya Bajia's famous drama serial Tanhaiyan) to live with his Boston-based son Bilal Musharraf where he serves as an actuary accountant; (2) guarantees that no judicial case will be filed against him in the courts and that the restored judiciary, particularly deposed Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, will not hear any case against him; and (3) a chance to address the nation one last time.”

http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?
menu=A111 00&no=381963&rel_no=1&isPrint=print

It is coming soon…In the mean time enjoy it!

malik #781 one little problem with this "bombing the tribals have been living through" - the tribals are the most vocal in pushing to get al qaeda out of fata. maybe they know something that you dont.

hamidm #785 what is it that you dont understand about your sharing this little problem of contempt and underestimation for Pakistanis with mush and zawahiri? re-read what i wrote carefully where i have already answered this question for you.

Re: # 782'


tahmed,

"you are merely unable to deal with what i wrote below about this little problem you share with mush and zawahiri"

... you are right - i have absolutley no idea what you are talking about ..... folks like you who think that musharraf is responsible for this carnage and others who think that this carnage is a 'reaction' to the 'oppression' of muslims for the last couple of centuries, are two sides of the same bad coin ...... appeasing wimp ! ... now get out there and do your duty by campaigning for john mccain and sending cookies to our brave men in uniform who are fighting this war on your behalf .......

re: malik99 #781

Appeasement never works. As to my death, it will happen when it will happen and no; I am not nervous. I live in Pakistan where life has no meaning and people have no rights. My life in this nation was worthless before September 2001 and it still is, Al Qaeda or bombs or no bombs.

Ciao

#780 and calling me bewaqoof wont change a thing either. even a bewaqoof like me has more brains than someone like you who is calling for nuking fata and applauds lota rashid..

#766 hamidm: dont lie. i have told you enough times that if i was interestd in being a religious reformer i would not be wasting my time with on chowk.

you are merely unable to deal with what i wrote below about this little problem you share with mush and zawahiri and so you are mad at me.

ferozk #774 "It would be criminally foolish and not to mention naive to think that appeasement is answer for aggression. It never is. Al Qaeda's leadership is ideologically motivated and it is not interested in peace treaties or compromies."

You seem pretty ideologically motivated too :) And it is clear that you are not interested in "peace treaties or compromises" either. And your ideology has killed far more of "them" for far longer of a time - all in the name of someone else's war.

And btw - we are even discussing all this because you are nervouse. You are nervous because "they" have now starting bombing places that are a walking distance from your home, and not just you bombing those "remote" areas which you hadnt even heard of before. The result is that your sense of safety is now breached. You are angry and you are shouting "no appeasement!". But deep down you now know how it feels to go through a day not knowing how big the next bombing would be or where it would be - something the "tribals" have been living with for years.

This is getting interesting. I cant wait to see how it ends :)

Re: # 769

tahmed,

bewakoof! ... stop this rant about my supposed "contempt and underestimation of the Pakistani people" ...... i don't have to go far to see what the great pakistani people are like - we have a good cross section of fools in denial like you and romair, flaming jihadis like urstruly and zeemax, and complete lunatics like masadi and pavo right here on chowk ..... of course we have few sane folks like me, hp sain and feroze main trying to hold back the tide of ignorance, but i am getting tired of standing with my finger in the hole in the dyke ....... hp sain and feroze mian you are on your own - i am out of here !

Re: # 766

CA,

"I am thinking if you change the quran by removing all the jihadi shyte by the mid summer "

........ tahmed is working on it - he has been working on it for over half a century and has yet to find a disciple .....

Re: # 774

feroze mian,

"This is downright stupid! You fight the enemy where the enemy is and not where the enemy is not!!!! "

.... do you think romair will unnderstand this simple message?.... i doubt it, the man is more dense than you think .......

Re: # 723 Why Azarbaijanies do not even make noise about the lost area of Nagarno Karabagh. In Ummah meetings many oppressions are lamented and detailed ( palestine etc) but Kashmir and Nagarnokarabagh are just little reference. Have azeris lost interest ? Why Iran is always supportive of Armenians than azeris are there any money interests coming in way ?

Re: # 748
Thanks for information.
It is said by some dr najeeb and his brother were almost about to be flown to India from UN protective compound and pakistan secret servuice and CIA got wind of that and made immediate move and executed them and made counter coup against RAW. Najeeb was considered dangerous by ISI and CIA was young and could have influence in future. It is romoured that his family was flown to India and secretly living there ?
THanks, your post are informative and subtle in many ways.

It is said Dostam sabotaged Najeeb , but he fought afterwards against ISI and taliban. Is there possibility like partition of afghanistan like partition of British Raj along Tajik, Uzbek,... etc nations. Do Uzbekistan, Tajikistan etc have interest in partition ?
These are questions you can answer if possible.
Thanks again for your contribution

1Safe #755: sorry i missed your question to me. The short answer is: We shall find out in the months following the new government takes over.

Personally, I think the new government has no choice but to get serious in fighting terrorists. And, freed from musharraf's politics and War on Lawyers (they even bugged the judge's homes!!), Pakistan has ample resources (even ignoring NATO) needed to take out the terrorists. (in iraq remember that in iraq bush had brilliantly destroyed the police/military infrastructure initially. and realized its mistake after 2-3 years after much damage was done.).

That is just my opinion of course. Hope it makes some sense.

re: bulleya

It is a mistake to assume that Al Qaeda will cease its attacks on Pakistan if Pakistan leaves GoT. Al Qaeda is not interested in Islam or sharia but in gaining territory from which to continue its ideological mission. Pakistan offers that territory to Al Qaeda and in this mission, Al Qaeda is indifferent to the long term fate of Pakistan or Pakistanis.

Before 9/11, Al Qaeda did not need Pakistan because it had Afghanistan and Sudan. If not Pakistan, where do you think it will go? Back to Afghanistan? Iraq? Sudan? There was no reason for it target Pakistan pre-2001 but now, it wants to destablize Pakistan in order to gain a sanctury from which to sustain its logistical structure. FATA offers it the price and it will not leave it even if Pakistan leaves the GoT.

It would be criminally foolish and not to mention naive to think that appeasement is answer for aggression. It never is. Al Qaeda's leadership is ideologically motivated and it is not interested in peace treaties or compromies. It sees Pakistan and Pakistanis as weak and as kafirs and not as equals in the struggle against non-believers.

You said and quote, "so, please feel free to fight them wherever you want....just not in pakistan........my suggestion would be for them to fight it out in michigan, or for you to fight it out with them, by joining the us army, in afghanistan"

This is downright stupid! You fight the enemy where the enemy is and not where the enemy is not!!!! The battle ground is Pakistan and make no mistakes about it, Pakistan will suffer because our government by their past actions have sowed what we must now reap - the sins of our intolerances. The world will little think about Pakistan or its sovereignity and if the choice is between its future and Pakistan's; then Pakistan will lose and twice on Sunday!

Ciao

Re: # 736

Wow.

bulleya: i see you repeat your earlier claim that al qaeda will stop attacking pakistan if pakistan stops fighting them. in doing so, you ignore what i #743 which was addressed to you and you did not respond. so let me repeat - are you prepared to cede fata and the people there to al qaeda rule? yes or no.

hamidm mian #: "do you really believe that if we left the taliban, al-qaeda and the other riff raff alone that they will stop their murder and mayhem?..."

....depends on how you define, "we"......if you define we to be americans and the usa, then you are correct, they will not leave you alone.....they hate you too much, and feel you have killed far too many of their innocents.....

on the other hand, if by, "we" you mean pakistanis and pakistan, then they will leave pakistan alone.....uptil 9/11, they had nothing against pakistan, and now, they do....once pakistan backs out of gwot, it will be back to status quo......

...i still long for the days, when the biggest fear in pakistan consisted of burning cd's, headshaving football teams in shorts, smuggling cars to bara and beyond, and raiding of massage parlors......

that was a lot better than bombs going off in super market and model town.......

so, please feel free to fight them wherever you want....just not in pakistan........my suggestion would be for them to fight it out in michigan, or for you to fight it out with them, by joining the us army, in afghanistan......

personally speaking, i don't the usa military, nato or the pakistan military has any stamina or desire left to fight them anywhere......it's impossible to fight a bomb dropped from 10,000 feet or a suicide bomber.......

hamidm mian #: "do you really believe that if we left the taliban, al-qaeda and the other riff raff alone that they will stop their murder and mayhem?..."

....depends on how you define, "we"......if you define we to be americans and the usa, then you are correct, they will not leave you alone.....they hate you too much, and feel you have killed far too many of their innocents.....

on the other hand, if by, "we" you mean pakistanis and pakistan, then they will leave pakistan alone.....uptil 9/11, they had nothing against pakistan, and now, they do....once pakistan backs out of gwot, it will be back to status quo......

...i still long for the days, when the biggest fear in pakistan consisted of burning cd's, headshaving football teams in shorts, smuggling cars to bara and beyond, and raiding of massage parlors......

that was a lot better than bombs going off in super market and model town.......

so, please feel free to fight them wherever you want....just not in pakistan........my suggestion would be for them to fight it out in michigan, or for you to fight it out with them, by joining the us army, in afghanistan......

personally speaking, i don't the usa military, nato or the pakistan military has any stamina or desire left to fight them anywhere......it's impossible to fight a bomb dropped from 10,000 feet or a suicide bomber.......

hamidm #761/#762: " the war against musharaf has nothing - absolutely nothing - to do with the war against terrorism"

tell that to zawahiri - who is going all out to try and intimidate the new government now that the "mush umbrella" is gone. and spare me the namecalling - which is a sure sign that a man has only weak arguments.

Here is a question: What is common between you, musharraf and zawahiri?

Answer: Your contempt and underestimation of the Pakistani people.

Musharraf made the mistake of thinking he could intimidate them with his uniform and fake accent - and merely mad them mad enough to leave him kick out his "kings party" plus lotas and beards. Zawahiri will learn the hard way in due course that pakistanis are not arabs who tolerate "hosni mubaraks" and "pious hypocrites" a la saudi arabia as rulers. I dont know if you will ever learn though.

paki sovereignty being gang-banged...

I'll bet these guys are blackwater...

US forces cordon off hospital

Our Staff Reporter
ISLAMABAD- American security personnel cordoned off the Shifa International Hospital after 11 US nationals injured in the Saturday evening blast were reportedly admitted there.
Although there was no official confirmation about the number of injured US nationals as the US Embassy could not be contacted. despite repeated attempts by The Nation, the other diplomatic sources placed the number falling between 7 and 11.
According to eyewitnesses 7 of the 11 injured Americans were rushed to the US Embassy and 4 admitted in the Federal Government Employees Hospital, were also later shifted to the Shifa International Hospital.
Soon after the bloody blast in a roadside Italian restaurant all members of the diplomatic community who had come to dine or shop in a relatively safe sector of the Capital rushed back to their homes in the Diplomatic Enclave.
According to police sources security personnel deployed at various entry points of the Diplomatic Enclave were alerted to check vehicles with more vigilance.
Meanwhile it was reliably learnt that the entire diplomatic community had suspended their movement schedules even within the Capital territory.
Embassies and High Commissions have sent urgent messages to their employees not to go out of the Diplomatic Enclave until further instructions from their respective governments.
All the diplomats residing outside the Diplomatic Enclave have been advised to shift to safer resorts.
A source also hinted at shifting of families of the families to their home countries if the security situation continues to deteriorate.

HAHA...perfect response to paki protests on the previous airstrikes..you protest..oh yeah...protest this...

yoo hoo zeemax(or should I say grim faced zeemax)


Pakistan border strike 'kills 16'
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At least 16 people have been killed in a missile strike on a building near Pakistan's northern border with Afghanistan, state television has said.

The attack took place in the South Waziristan region, where tribal militants are based, Reuters news agency r