Pervez Hoodbhoy March 10, 2008
#65 Posted by pavocavalry on March 11, 2008 4:45:40 am
We are missing our great friend ZEEMAX SAHIB.We badly need his phenomenal hitting power in dialogue now.
#66 Posted by pavocavalry on March 11, 2008 4:46:53 am
Re: # 64 I am glad that I have some well wishers also.Thanks Mohtaram urs truly Sahib.
#67 Posted by VRV on March 11, 2008 4:48:17 am
pavo,
Are u a fauzi. Bhai, charity starts at home. Why dont u guys so no to US at the army level?
International politics is very complex. U start it from home and say no anything to America incl 'queuing for American visas/immigraion to the west' and like. Be like Iranians, North Koreans.
Good 4 u.
Are u a fauzi. Bhai, charity starts at home. Why dont u guys so no to US at the army level?
International politics is very complex. U start it from home and say no anything to America incl 'queuing for American visas/immigraion to the west' and like. Be like Iranians, North Koreans.
Good 4 u.
#68 Posted by pavocavalry on March 11, 2008 4:52:35 am
the army is mercenary but i am sad to note that its now quite discredited, sad because i am a 5th generation ex soldier with all forefathers in army or police.yes the pakistan army is no longer respected . it has reverted to the pre partition mercenary tradition.it was mercenary throughout but after 2001 it became shamelessly mercenary . fear of Indian domination made the paki generals sell their souls and everything to americans.
#69 Posted by pavocavalry on March 11, 2008 4:52:48 am
the army is mercenary but i am sad to note that its now quite discredited, sad because i am a 5th generation ex soldier with all forefathers in army or police.yes the pakistan army is no longer respected . it has reverted to the pre partition mercenary tradition.it was mercenary throughout but after 2001 it became shamelessly mercenary . fear of Indian domination made the paki generals sell their souls and everything to americans.
#70 Posted by hamidm2 on March 11, 2008 4:53:51 am
dr hoodbhoy,
.... to stop these human drones we have to go after their ideological leaders - deobandi mullahs like dr israr and zakir naik , crazy 'journalists', 'teachers' like masadi, generals like hamid gul and tv talk show hosts like aneeq ahmed and dr shahid masood ...... these are the people who are the root cause of this problem ...... once these people have been put away, the chilgoza gallery consisting of people like zeemax will melt away ........
#71 Posted by akcheema on March 11, 2008 4:58:34 am
Re: # 21
Majumdar Bhai, I have this interview that I promised. This is an arab guy, one of the failed suicide bombers in September 2001.
This is Nasra Hassan intervieiwng a failed suicide bomber for the New Yorker on 19th November 2001. He is 27, name shortened as ‘S.’
What is the attraction of martyrdom? I asked.
“The power of the spirit pulls us upwards, while the power of material things pulls us downward”, he said. “Someone bent on martyrdom becomes immune to the material pull. Our planner asked, ‘what if the operation fails?’. We told him, “in any case, we get to meet the Prophet and his companions, Inshallah.”
“We were floating, swimming, in the feeling that we were about to enter eternity. We had no doubts. We made an oath on the Koran, in the presence of Allah – a pledge not to waver. This jihad pledge is called BAYT AL-RIDWAN, after the garden in paradise that is reserved for the prophets and the martyrs. I know there are other ways to do jihad. But this one is sweet – the sweetest. All martyrdom operations, if done for Allah’s sake, hurt less than a gnat’s bite!”
‘S’ showed me a video that documented the final planning for the operation. In the grainy footage, I saw him and two other young men engaging in a ritualistic dialogue of questions and answers about the glory of martyrdom...................
The young man and the planner then knelt and placed their right hands on the Koran. The planner said: “are you ready? Tomorrow, you will be in Paradise”.
Majumdar Bhai, I have this interview that I promised. This is an arab guy, one of the failed suicide bombers in September 2001.
This is Nasra Hassan intervieiwng a failed suicide bomber for the New Yorker on 19th November 2001. He is 27, name shortened as ‘S.’
What is the attraction of martyrdom? I asked.
“The power of the spirit pulls us upwards, while the power of material things pulls us downward”, he said. “Someone bent on martyrdom becomes immune to the material pull. Our planner asked, ‘what if the operation fails?’. We told him, “in any case, we get to meet the Prophet and his companions, Inshallah.”
“We were floating, swimming, in the feeling that we were about to enter eternity. We had no doubts. We made an oath on the Koran, in the presence of Allah – a pledge not to waver. This jihad pledge is called BAYT AL-RIDWAN, after the garden in paradise that is reserved for the prophets and the martyrs. I know there are other ways to do jihad. But this one is sweet – the sweetest. All martyrdom operations, if done for Allah’s sake, hurt less than a gnat’s bite!”
‘S’ showed me a video that documented the final planning for the operation. In the grainy footage, I saw him and two other young men engaging in a ritualistic dialogue of questions and answers about the glory of martyrdom...................
The young man and the planner then knelt and placed their right hands on the Koran. The planner said: “are you ready? Tomorrow, you will be in Paradise”.
#72 Posted by akcheema on March 11, 2008 5:01:49 am
Re: # 70
Hamidm sahib, this situation is beyond joke I reckon.
Hamidm sahib, this situation is beyond joke I reckon.
#73 Posted by hamidm2 on March 11, 2008 5:09:41 am
Re: # 72
cheema sahib,
.... you are right - the situation is way beyond a joke and it is time the government went after the real culprits in this deadly game - these include the people i mentioned ........ people like dr israr, aneeq ahmed, shahid masood, the journalists who write in papers like the nation and jang, professors like masdadi and the imams at juma prayers do much more damage than a single suicide bomber ......... these are the people who have to be stopped first
cheema sahib,
.... you are right - the situation is way beyond a joke and it is time the government went after the real culprits in this deadly game - these include the people i mentioned ........ people like dr israr, aneeq ahmed, shahid masood, the journalists who write in papers like the nation and jang, professors like masdadi and the imams at juma prayers do much more damage than a single suicide bomber ......... these are the people who have to be stopped first
#74 Posted by hamidm2 on March 11, 2008 5:14:24 am
dr hoodbhoy,
.... i hate to point this out, but by writing in papers like dawn you are preaching to the converted and wasting your time ..... why don't you write for rags like jang and nation ? ...... also, the fact that you have a reputation as a 'dharia' does not help your cause - you should start going for juma prayers ..... it is okay to debase yourself if it is for a good cause .......
#75 Posted by Kulharee on March 11, 2008 5:17:06 am
Hamid Sahib’s #70 says it all. Not only do we need to kill the ideology, but we also need to ask ourselves, where there are no Mohajir suicide bombers? Are they chicken? It’s morons like Turly and Fasadi cheering the idiots but god forbid they put on the jacket themselves. Hopefully one day.
#76 Posted by zeemax on March 11, 2008 5:19:49 am
Author says:
Conversely, there is a widespread opinion that suicide attacks will disappear if Pakistan dissociates itself from this war. But, few admit the brutal fact that even if America retreats, or an elected government calls off the army, the terror of jihadism will remain.
However, he does not explain how he believes the above to be 'the brutal fact'.
Conversely, there is a widespread opinion that suicide attacks will disappear if Pakistan dissociates itself from this war. But, few admit the brutal fact that even if America retreats, or an elected government calls off the army, the terror of jihadism will remain.
However, he does not explain how he believes the above to be 'the brutal fact'.
#77 Posted by hamidm2 on March 11, 2008 5:22:29 am
dr hoodbhoy,
.... do you know what your collegues think of you? .... i don't mean to tell tales, but this is for a good cause so i don't feel too bad about it ........ here are some of the adjectives they use when talking about you : dharia, pagal, bewakoof, sada, bholay shah, mast malang, dharia (again), means well but is misguided, phata dhol, majnoon and dharia again ....... i am sure you know why 'dharia' is used most often - in a god crazed society like pakistan an atheist is the lowest of the low ..........
#78 Posted by akcheema on March 11, 2008 5:22:59 am
Re: # 75
It is lack of insight sir. An impressionable mind is an un-questioning mind. If I were involved with these as a potential suicider, I would ask the "organiser" to actually lead by example! If he knows a "fast track to paradise", he should put HIS neck where his mouth is and try it out so we all know!!
What complete wankers!!
It is lack of insight sir. An impressionable mind is an un-questioning mind. If I were involved with these as a potential suicider, I would ask the "organiser" to actually lead by example! If he knows a "fast track to paradise", he should put HIS neck where his mouth is and try it out so we all know!!
What complete wankers!!
#79 Posted by hamidm2 on March 11, 2008 5:26:51 am
Re: # 76
zeemax,
.... are you saying that you will stop fighting for the establishment of the moon god's kingdom on earth if pakistan disassociates itself from the gwot ? ..... i am sure your answer will be 'no' and that is what makes this a brutal fact .........
zeemax,
.... are you saying that you will stop fighting for the establishment of the moon god's kingdom on earth if pakistan disassociates itself from the gwot ? ..... i am sure your answer will be 'no' and that is what makes this a brutal fact .........
#80 Posted by hamidm2 on March 11, 2008 5:28:24 am
Re: # 78
cheema sahib,
.... it is not lack of 'insight' .... faith is blind ... period
cheema sahib,
.... it is not lack of 'insight' .... faith is blind ... period
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